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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues

6 janv. à 16 h 51
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Quoting: CameronSquires
I know all talk is about willy rn but what about Benoit eh?

I didn’t care for the signing when he was signed but man he’s actually been great recently on the blue line and I trust him more every game. I don’t see many blunders and he throws the body and fights. Plus he’s an RFA still I believe. I hope he stays here tbh


I mentioned Benoit earlier. I was actually saying he should be back next year as the #6 or 7 as hes earned it

Even suggested 2 deals (2 years 825k and 3 years 950k)

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As yea hes a nice depth guy to have rn
6 janv. à 16 h 58
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Quoting: aadoyle
I mentioned Benoit earlier. I was actually saying he should be back next year as the #6 or 7 as hes earned it

Even suggested 2 deals (2 years 825k and 3 years 950k)

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As yea hes a nice depth guy to have rn


I didn’t see your post on Benoit but I have to agree. I was looking at some of his game earlier and I noticed just how reliable he is for us
6 janv. à 17 h 0
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Quoting: CameronSquires
I didn’t see your post on Benoit but I have to agree. I was looking at some of his game earlier and I noticed just how reliable he is for us


Hes just been a nice fill in guy. Has some issues with penalties but meh he can be a rotation guy to solve that if need be.

Cause I also feel Kokkonen gonna push for a job next year as Keefe did like him in training camp
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6 janv. à 17 h 10
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Quoting: CameronSquires
I know all talk is about willy rn but what about Benoit eh?

I didn’t care for the signing when he was signed but man he’s actually been great recently on the blue line and I trust him more every game. I don’t see many blunders and he throws the body and fights. Plus he’s an RFA still I believe. I hope he stays here tbh


He seems to be in a similar situation to Timmins was last year. Timmins given a few extra $100k as a reward for his good play. This year, especially before injuries, That $1.1M contract vs. $0.9M made it look like that difference would be enough to force him onto waivers.

Maybe we need to look at him as the Holl replacement.
6 janv. à 17 h 12
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Hes just been a nice fill in guy. Has some issues with penalties but meh he can be a rotation guy to solve that if need be.

Cause I also feel Kokkonen gonna push for a job next year as Keefe did like him in training camp


I’m still holding out hope for Kokkonen.

I don’t feel as if benoits penalties have been egregious though
6 janv. à 17 h 13
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Quoting: Messier99
He seems to be in a similar situation to Timmins was last year. Timmins given a few extra $100k as a reward for his good play. This year, especially before injuries, That $1.1M contract vs. $0.9M made it look like that difference would be enough to force him onto waivers.

Maybe we need to look at him as the Holl replacement.


As long as they don’t play him as much as they relied on holl lmao
6 janv. à 17 h 13
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Guys the solution to the Willie issue is obviously Reinhart. He will come in below Willie's aav and is basically as valuable while playing an identical role (C/RW).

He is also better defensively. Only issue is the risk he won't sign here or signs early
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6 janv. à 17 h 28
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Guys the solution to the Willie issue is obviously Reinhart. He will come in below Willie's aav and is basically as valuable while playing an identical role (C/RW).

He is also better defensively. Only issue is the risk he won't sign here or signs early


I was thinking more so Guentzel is you want someone almost exactly the same but cheaper. Only difference hes a LW.


But there are a good chunk of similarities
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I was thinking more so Guentzel is you want someone almost exactly the same but cheaper. Only difference hes a LW.


But there are a good chunk of similarities


Nah the best comp is Reinhart. Ehlers would work too but I doubt he is avail
6 janv. à 17 h 32
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Nah the best comp is Reinhart. Ehlers would work too but I doubt he is avail


Yea either of those three I wouldnt mind

Guentzel when hes healthy is a solid scorer and has pretty good playoff production, Ehlers just does everything you like in a wing, and Reinhart seems like a guy who you could pair with JT and things could get interesting

But yea its not like its just Willy or bust there are 2-3 options. THAT SAID there is also a lot of risk in that to. As if you let him walk and get neither back oh boy that wont look good lul

Anyways lets see
6 janv. à 17 h 35
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6 janv. à 17 h 41
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Sorry no Kuzmenko is not a “direct replacement” for Nylander.


He is...

Not as good, but way cheaper and roughly the same age and have the exact same impact defensively...
6 janv. à 17 h 48
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Quoting: aadoyle
Kuzmenko and Nylander are not even close to the same nor would Kuz directly replace him

Kuzmenko is a guy who thrives more in a sheltered role and is a PP specialist

Kuzmenko is basically 2 tiers below Willy

This season

Willy on pace for 43 goals and 73 assists 116 points in 82 games

Kuzmenko on pace for 20 goals and 26 assists for 46 points in 76 games

As the season Kuzmenko had last year was due to an abnormal shooting % year and now hes come down to earth. Hes a guy who frustrates Tocchett and while he would be welcomed is not a Willy replacement in the slightest


Let's be real...

Willy isn't getting another season like this one and he's going full throttle bc it's a contract year...

Last year and the year before that are better comps...

As for Kuzmenko, when you're in a coach's dog house, it's harder for you to play well...

I think Kuzmenko is a 20-30 goal guy when all things considered and if he were to be in a position where he could actually get his rhythm...

For the sake of argument, Nylander is a 30-40 goal, 70-90 points, Matthews and JT centre, no defence type of player

Kuzmenko is a 20-30 goal, 60-80 points, Petey and Miller at centre, no defence type of player...

Kuzmenko isn't as good, but he'd fit the role and would be 1/2 the cost...
6 janv. à 18 h 39
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Quoting: Saskleaf
I mean hey I’m not basing on anything scientific and I don’t really know anything but I don’t think it’s a good idea to give a guy who’s previous career high is 87 points 11 mil (in other words the type of money you give consistent 100+ point scorers)


Normally I would agree but betting against Willy is a recipe for disaster.
6 janv. à 18 h 41
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Guys the solution to the Willie issue is obviously Reinhart. He will come in below Willie's aav and is basically as valuable while playing an identical role (C/RW).

He is also better defensively. Only issue is the risk he won't sign here or signs early


Reinhart is not better defensively. And he's certainly not as good as Willy. That is a player who's underlying numbers do not match his current production.
6 janv. à 18 h 42
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
He is...

Not as good, but way cheaper and roughly the same age and have the exact same impact defensively...


Leaf fans may not deserve Nylander.
6 janv. à 18 h 46
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Reinhart is not better defensively. And he's certainly not as good as Willy. That is a player who's underlying numbers do not match his current production.


He is 100% better defensively. Been underratedly one of the better two-way forwards in the league for some time now.
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Quoting: Juice
You’re almost certainly not wrong. Very few players get 100+ every year.


Even if he's in the 90's very few players do that consistently and all make huge money. People grinding in Willy thinking literally any winger who has had some decent seasons is good enough are ridiculous.
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6 janv. à 18 h 48
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
Let's be real...

Willy isn't getting another season like this one and he's going full throttle bc it's a contract year...

Last year and the year before that are better comps...

As for Kuzmenko, when you're in a coach's dog house, it's harder for you to play well...

I think Kuzmenko is a 20-30 goal guy when all things considered and if he were to be in a position where he could actually get his rhythm...

For the sake of argument, Nylander is a 30-40 goal, 70-90 points, Matthews and JT centre, no defence type of player

Kuzmenko is a 20-30 goal, 60-80 points, Petey and Miller at centre, no defence type of player...

Kuzmenko isn't as good, but he'd fit the role and would be 1/2 the cost...


You are very much a grass is always greener fan with this take. Willy is replaceable by pretty much anyone 20 goal scorer it seems to some.
6 janv. à 18 h 49
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Leaf fans may not deserve Nylander.


Or, you massively overrate him...
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6 janv. à 18 h 51
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You are very much a grass is always greener fan with this take. Willy is replaceable by pretty much anyone 20 goal scorer it seems to some.


Kuzmenko is a lesser Nylander clone, that's the exact meaning of replaceable...

And a team who lacks scoring would rather keep Nylander... Toronto isn't one of those teams
6 janv. à 18 h 52
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
He is 100% better defensively. Been underratedly one of the better two-way forwards in the league for some time now.


I don't believe the numbers support that
6 janv. à 18 h 54
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
Or, you massively overrate him...


Are you paying attention? Nylander is one of the best players in the league and he's not on a unsustainable heater. He's just this good.
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Are you paying attention? Nylander is one of the best players in the league and he's not on a unsustainable heater. He's just this good.


No, Nylander isn't in the top 2 on his team... How is he one of the best players in the league?

And his rate of having a point... Especially from his current play, is unsustainable
6 janv. à 19 h 13
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After his ELC, what do you think the contract will be for Knies?

Do you think it'll be a short bridge? Or a longer contract?
 
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