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Forum: Toronto Maple Leafsjeu. à 17 h 55
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>https://twitter.com/TLNdc/status/1730340866454159789

Was laughing at this

As not saying I would do it

But if Minten + Cowen and a 1st dont get Zadorov + Tanev put the phone down. Destroy it and burn it in a field

Thats how much of a NO that would be

As thats more than what we saw Orlov + Hatnaway or Gavrikov + Korpisalo went for

Besides after looking at the Toffoli trade I would say lower expectations on a potential return</div></div>

But ya gotta understand what he’s trying to say here…if Brad calls Conroy today and asked for both guys (and assumed retention on both) the asking price would be thru the moon.

You’d essentially be asking Calgary to give up on their season on Dec 1st and, for them to bite, it’d need to be an overpayment.

At the trade deadline if they’re well out of a playoff spot? Sure, asking price becomes more reasonable/fair but also have to imagine there will be a decent amount of competition for those guys.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafsjeu. à 15 h 28
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 2
I think you’re both right, to a certain extent.

The team has shown that they are lacking reliable strength on the blue line to be a contender.

At the same time, this team hasn’t shown yet that they’re worth giving up valuable futures in order to try and win this year.

With the Calgary d-men…you can understand Brad/Conroy not wanting to extend everyone after last season. They needed more info to see if it’s still a core to build around or time to blow it up.

Hopefully with Brad running Toronto, and there being a much clearer mandate to win, he’ll have that insight to know which guy(s) are worth bringing in…and ideally with the intention to re-sign…vs those you just hope hit free agency in the summer and you can try and bring in then. I can see a trade for any of those d-men that includes conditional picks that get upgraded if they re-sign.

But I don’t want to see a bigger acquisition like Hanafin, and the assets we’d have to give up to get him, unless an extension was already agreed to
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafsmer. à 21 h 5
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Were supposed to get clarity this week. But considering its a hip injury and hes been dealing with it since OCT 19 and it got bad enough to where he couldnt play in Sweden and is not walking right there is a strong possibility hes out for a while or at least till playoffs


And when you look at their current situation cap and all got a feeling we wont be seeing him for rest of regular season. As if he comes back they really cant make any move, as its gonna cost to much to move him in any deal now.

But yea considering TBL held out Kucherov till the playoffs, VGK with stone, and CHI with Kane lets do the same. Slow rehab Klingberg so hes back game 1 of playoffs</div></div>

There’s an incredibly significant gap between the confidence those other teams had in their superstar players returning for the playoffs vs the confidence anyone would have in tossing klingberg into the lineup for game 1 after 5 months away.

I get that logistically it makes sense, but practically that’s way too risky for a guy that’s been playing the way klingberg has the past few seasons
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs24 nov. à 7 h 52
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs20 nov. à 17 h 10
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>From what I have heard and gathered Zadorov seems to be best as a 3rd pair guy but also is overqualified for it. Like that guy who should have been a 2nd pair but due to factors and traits is better for third pair duty.

And this was from Avs, Chi, and Cgy fans

Like in a pinch you can use him there but hes better as like that third pair bruiser who can move the puck, eat more mins than a usual guy like that, kill penalties etc. Cause usually 3rd pair guys play 10-12mins. This guy can give u around 18mins TOI a game if need be.

This sums it best

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LDCKhlDjhIE


But yea him being the only move would help the problem a bit but more would still be needed as a right side of

Brodie, Liligren, Timmins or Klingberg does not spell confidence. As with Klingberg not being 100% and Timmins seemingly being injury prone were probs gonna need someone

Maybe Bear via FA, maybe bigger deal for Tanev, maybe buy low Peeke but yea someones gonna for sure be needed.</div></div>

Ya...generally that's what I'm thinking, too....and I'm coming from a place where I've mentioned Zadorov a while back as a guy I'd like to see in the lineup as I think he brings a combo of physicality and offense that we could use...I just wonder if we'd end up forcing him into a role he isn't ready for.

There's gotta be some sort of move coming up soon with TImmins close to returning...maybe that's just Klingberg to LTIR (even if just temporarily)...but something's gotta give soon.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs14 nov. à 18 h 38
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>https://dailyhive.com/toronto/babcock-leafs-gm-dubas

There is no way this is true

As remember Babcocks comments when he got fired

"When Lou left I knew my time would soon be up"

Why push for a guy who was gonna eventually take your job

Something be fishy but hey hes gone now so meh</div></div>

I think the basic facts may be true but EF is presenting the story in a way that makes it seem like the leafs were gonna let Dubas walk until Babcock put his 2 cents in. That doesn't make sense.

Dubas was Shanny's guy....logic would say it was him leading the narrative to promote Dubas and Babcock was just part of the conversation and agreed that they'd need to promote him to avoid losing him...either way it's kind of a non-story at this point
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs14 nov. à 15 h 47
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Well in a sense players want stability even Kampf and Jarnkrok

Nobody wants to get traded around especially to a non-contender.

Jarnkrok went from NSH-SEA-CGY in 1 season and now hes settled into Toronto where hes honestly been consistent

Kampf just more so for stability. And as long as you got a playable 4th line no issue there. As Keefe finally realized what 3 other teams did that a certain someone dont got to be in every NHL game lul.

As we saw what happens when you give him 2 useable linemates vs. one. Now its one game but if those 3 play like they did vs. Van were in for some more fun</div></div>

For sure. Every player wants one…I just meant that, given the term and dollars they got, you’d think the leafs coulda got away with not giving them the NTC
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs14 nov. à 10 h 12
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs14 nov. à 10 h 5
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>You're still missing my point. Klingberg gets traded to a team that isn't Calgary prior to any Zadorov deal. Ship Klingberg out to a team like Chicago for a minor piece in return, then add Zadorov.

If we're talking potential additional pieces, I think Walker Duehr is a good bet</div></div>

If/when/where Klingberg gets traded could largely depend on his 10-team no trade list. I tried reading into it a bit, and a "10 team no-trade clause" in the contract "usually" needs to be submitted before the season starts however is sometimes worded so that the player submits his list "upon request".

That alone could make a big impact since, if John would rather try and play out the year in Toronto vs getting bounced around...he could easily submit a list that includes Calgary (or any other team) that he's rumoured to be going to.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>That would not be a smart use of assets. The smart thing is to pkg him off to bring in an upgrade in the same trade. Look what EDM did with Barrie

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I think the timing of a deal has an impact. If you're Calgary and signs are pointing to a potential sell off...you're less willing to take cap back on a trade now without extra sweeteners since cap space can be weaponized at the deadline (that's going to go for any team looking at taking in klingberg). If the deal is done at the deadline...it makes less of an impact because they'll have a clearer picture of if they need that space to facilitate other deals they like better.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs10 nov. à 9 h 31
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>If you move Klingberg someone else would come back it's not to free up space

Think like what EDM did with Barrie for Ekholm

As rn he's only owed less than 2m as bonus is paid

In the end that team gets it's assets and we get our guy whoever it is</div></div>

Agreed....i think because there's no term attached to Klingberg...he can simply be used as cap ballast going the other way in a trade without having to add a "sweetener"....it just assumes that the other team already likes the picks/prospects they're receiving for the guy they're giving up...and Klingberg doesn't axe the deal via his limited NTC.

Maybe the most value reaves can provide to us this year is taking out one of klingberg's knees in practice and putting him on the LTIR
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs10 nov. à 9 h 26
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>If you think back to the week Dubas and then Shanny had their press conferences, both mentioned having a discussion about an extention right after the TDL...let me just say how so, so poorly that was handled by both of them. From that point on, **** just got worse...I couldn't believe 2 people in management handling things so poorly that one of them decides after a press conference that a change needed to be made.

Now...Treliving wasn't my pick for GM but let's be fair here, he was hired so late especially if you consider the names on this team that needed new contracts.

I think he didn't have the normal amount of time to A: assess the team and B: have the patience based on the first point...and that's why there's a few 1 year deals.

The whole philosophy point made here had some real thought behind it. Good stuff.


Last point...some of you think that Klingberg can be traded without attaching assets to move him...well guy..cap space doesn't grow on trees. I think it will cost assets to move him.</div></div>

I agree with everything you wrote here....especially about the short time frame treliving had and how all those 1yr deals makes sense for a guy that wants to keep the team competitive while not hamstringing himself long-term....it's just the thought process behind the klingberg signing I'm struggling to find the logic in....hopefully when everyone is back and healthy they can shelter him more and the mistakes will be less prevalent
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs10 nov. à 1 h 2
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 2
Is it me....or has anyone else been watching this team and NOT come to the conclusion that a "puck moving d-man" was the main piece missing?

I can't think of many times I've grumbled to myself "these guys can't make an outlet pass".

Whether or not we would of had to give up a main roster piece for Karlsson or just picks/prospects...it would have been an awful waste of cap space as far as I'm concerned.

I didn't mind Dubas....I get why he wanted the autonomy to make his own decisions without big-brother Shanny being the gatekeeper and why that led to his exit. But I wasn't sad to see him go and I'm not impressed with his moves in Pittsburgh...even if his mandate was to try and maximize whatever Crosby/Malkin/Letang had left in the tank.

As for Treliving...much of this season is going to revolve around Klingberg for me. If he's unable to move him and/or somehow find the cap space to make improvements on D...it was a complete waste of a season. It was slim pickings in the UFA pool this summer...but that one contract and the opportunity costs associated with it...when there weren't any signs that Klingberg was worth that...just didn't make sense then and makes even less sense now.