I figure he'd probably cost a 2nd, but given we don't have one go with a protected first and Klingberg for Zadorov and a depth guy. Maybe Ruzicka?

I'd think Edmundson is the closest comparable but I think Zadorov would go for a bit more. 2nd plus prospect/bottom 6 roster player

If I was going to throw out a guess, I'd probably go with a 3rd + a prospect given the recent history of dman trades.

Retaining could get you anywhere from a 1st -3rd depending on how much you retain. + a player back and propsect. i would guess.

The most recent Edmundson Trade is a very weak comparable considering Edmundson’s career should probably be and is most likely soon to be over, given his back is shot

He hasn’t been able to play a full season in, well EVER!

I’m missed about this news, so don’t mind me but we are expecting a high return if Zadorov gets Traded. Like somewhere around Ben Chiarot high

Given most Flames fans opinions so far on CapFriendly, this is a very generous usage of the word 'we'.

Nhl gms love the big “defensive defenseman” types. See chariot and savard. Those are the more likely compareables imo. I personally don’t value him that high but based on prior trades that seems to be the going rate for those kinds of players. Several of these trades were made in the off-season to dump money so they accepted a lower value.

I don’t think you’ve been following the posts other than the ones coming up tonight and there’s only one saying he wouldn’t expect to get a 1st for Zadorov straight up, but with retention he could

I don't think you're going to get a 1st round pick for retaining less than $2M for 75% of a season.

If Calgary retains 50%, they can get a 2nd and an ok prospect. If they retain 50% and take back an expiring contract, they can get a 2nd and a good prospect. If they don't retain and don't take back a contract, they'll likely only get a 3rd.

When looking for comparable players, you have to have comparable situations too.

I don't think most of the guys listed were pending UFAs. Zadorov is both a pending UFA and signed pretty cheap. He's a low-end #4, high-end #5, he's big, physical, he can skate and he can score.

I think if the Flames eat 50%, we can get a 2nd+ for him, maybe a 1st if a team is desperate for defensive help.

I mean being a pending UFA would only lower his value compared to someone with term unless it was a cap dump. Also let's not try to pretend Zadorov is a big goal scoring defenseman when he's had 1 season with more than 10 goals and is currently on pace for 7 in the current season.

Honestly I could see a toronto trade where they give up klingberg and a first/second and good prospect for zadorov 50% retained.
Dump a terrible klingberg and gain a much needed zadorov, probably could extend him as well.
Just spitballing so don’t crucify me lol

Not when teams have little to no cap space. Rentals always get more than summer deals because it's more of a sellers market.

You have a very misperceived view of trade values. Rentals do not get more than summer deals.

They do when no teams have cap space. Look at this past summer, it was clearly a buyers market.

I can look at more than just this summer, I can look at many summers, and they will all show that you have no basis for this claim.

I was specially talking about no cap space due to the flat cap Einstein. If you are going to argue, learn to read.

So do you think only this season had a flat cap?

Slipping Hronek is in here as a comp sure is a choice

More examples provides a better picture. Hronek adds context to what a defenseman who gets 1st back looks like.

No, but I do think this was the worst, which was why we saw no trades on teh draft floor.

But that would effect more than just the draft floor, right? How about the summer as a whole? Would that not be better context?

It's kind of like trying to claim that it will be busy trade deadline because no trade was made the Thursday the week before and the GMs are all waiting.

Ben Chiarot is the obvious one. Severson isn't comparable, he's better, more of an offensive D-man and was a UFA in 3 weeks. NJ got a 3rd because they let CBJ get the 8th year.

People always like to say Chiarot is a comparable but no one has used him as one since his trade. He's not a comparable for anything, he's an outlier. Half a dozen fanbases, including half the trades above, have tried to say 'we'll get more, just look at what Chariot got' then didn't get more.

I don't know for the others, people often overestimate their players but I think Chiarot is the exact comparable. The type of players GMs love to overrate, both big players, both really physical and lots of teams will be interested. Zadorov is younger and doesn't have a M-NTC like Chiarot. Playoffs' experience and time on ice are different but I'm confident the asking price will be a 1st and they will get it (unless Conroy is really dumb).