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2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period

4 août 2023 à 11 h 8
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@capsfan2121 @DucharmetheDOMinator what are y'all talking about?
4 août 2023 à 11 h 12
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Quoting: HockeyScotty
Disagree about that. Forsberg is a legit star. 40 goal scorer and two-way player. Averages 30 goals per 82 games in his career. He gets overlooked playing in Nashville.


He’s very inconsistent. If you average out his last 4 years, he’s a lot closer to an average 1st liner than a star. Last season his shooting % predictably regressed
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4 août 2023 à 11 h 15
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Quoting: Steven_Stamkos
capsfan2121 DucharmetheDOMinator what are y'all talking about?


Wilson. He thinks that he didn’t want to stay so we have to overpay.





Also it’s just prove in the pas bmac overpays who guys that have been wi5 this team for years,

Oshie, Carlson, Kuzy, Backstrom, Ovi latest contract despite there ages,
4 août 2023 à 11 h 55
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Quoting: Db1899
He’s very inconsistent. If you average out his last 4 years, he’s a lot closer to an average 1st liner than a star. Last season his shooting % predictably regressed


I like Forsberg. And on a related tangent, Duchene, Johansen and Granlund. Although they spiralled this season and all 3 departed, the 2021-2022 season they had was impressive to me (including Forsberg). They all had great chemistry and put up good numbers. For me, it's hard to tell if the way they played that season was an instance where everything went their way and came together, or an actual measure of their abilities. Nevertheless, I think Forsberg will have a good season. Some new blood in the lineup and some seasoned guys coming in should be good for the teams stability. Since last year felt like they could never find their footing due to injuries and players getting moved. The other 3 guys I also expect to find success on their new teams.
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4 août 2023 à 11 h 57
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Quoting: capsfan2121
Wilson. He thinks that he didn’t want to stay so we have to overpay.





Also it’s just prove in the pas bmac overpays who guys that have been wi5 this team for years,

Oshie, Carlson, Kuzy, Backstrom, Ovi latest contract despite there ages,


I saw Wilson's extension. I thought you were talking about Nylander that's why I was confused lol. Never heard Tom Wilson called Willy.
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4 août 2023 à 12 h 10
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Tom Wilson extension just screams Brendan Gallagher all over again to me.

Not going to be worthwhile in the end. Man just can't stay healthy, and his grindy playstyle will just further wear him out.
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4 août 2023 à 12 h 20
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Quoting: justaBoss
Tom Wilson extension just screams Brendan Gallagher all over again to me.

Not going to be worthwhile in the end. Man just can't stay healthy, and his grindy playstyle will just further wear him out.


The comparisons are getting worse and worse
4 août 2023 à 12 h 21
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Wilson has only had one significant injury. The reasons why he has missed games in the past is suspensions. And he looked great coming of the acl tear. I think we will be ok.
4 août 2023 à 12 h 23
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Quoting: Steven_Stamkos
I like Forsberg. And on a related tangent, Duchene, Johansen and Granlund. Although they spiralled this season and all 3 departed, the 2021-2022 season they had was impressive to me (including Forsberg). They all had great chemistry and put up good numbers. For me, it's hard to tell if the way they played that season was an instance where everything went their way and came together, or an actual measure of their abilities. Nevertheless, I think Forsberg will have a good season. Some new blood in the lineup and some seasoned guys coming in should be good for the teams stability. Since last year felt like they could never find their footing due to injuries and players getting moved. The other 3 guys I also expect to find success on their new teams.


Forsberg is a great player , he just hasn’t put 2 star seasons together in a while. Still extremely talented and a legitimate 1st line winger
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4 août 2023 à 12 h 26
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Quoting: Db1899
Forsberg is a great player , he just hasn’t put 2 star seasons together in a while. Still extremely talented and a legitimate 1st line winger


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4 août 2023 à 12 h 28
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Quoting: justaBoss
Tom Wilson extension just screams Brendan Gallagher all over again to me.

Not going to be worthwhile in the end. Man just can't stay healthy, and his grindy playstyle will just further wear him out.


The one pressing issue is his knee injury. As when you get hurt there reoccurrence is almost guaranteed.

Add to the playstyle yea you might get 2 good years then a an anchor deal.
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4 août 2023 à 12 h 42
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Quoting: justaBoss
Tom Wilson extension just screams Brendan Gallagher all over again to me.

Not going to be worthwhile in the end. Man just can't stay healthy, and his grindy playstyle will just further wear him out.


The comparison with Gallagher is also good because they both are the soul of their team. Born and raised with their team.

This is the kind of contract that reward a player, and is not about paying for a performance on the ice
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4 août 2023 à 14 h 48
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Quoting: capsfan2121
The comparisons are getting worse and worse


How exactly? Both are, as @pinslack mentioned, the soul of their team, and their performance prior to the contract signing is pretty even. Even their cap hit is similar.

The playstyle of Wilson is also quite similar to Gallagher, both are power forwards that put everything they got on ice. That type of players typically drop off a cliff at 30+ when the wear simply starts to take its toll on their bodies. Gallagher is just few years ahead of Wilson in this, given he's couple of years older. During his prime he didn't miss many games, but after a while the injuries started to pile on top of each other. I have no reason to believe that wouldn't happen with Wilson either.

I know you're biased towards Wilson, but there isn't much difference between prime version of him and prime version of Gallagher, other than their size.
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4 août 2023 à 22 h 35
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Quoting: capsfan2121
The comparisons are getting worse and worse


It’s a very fair comparison. He is a power forward. His game relies on his physicality. This contract is going to age horribly when he isn’t physically able to keep up
5 août 2023 à 7 h 46
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It’s a very fair comparison. He is a power forward. His game relies on his physicality. This contract is going to age horribly when he isn’t physically able to keep up

All of them are fair comparisons. Those comparisons failed rlly bad and were awful contracts. It’s not looking good at all
5 août 2023 à 11 h 29
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at 8:35 into this video the NHL shows Holloways first preseason goal and one can very easily tell it was the preseason because Jake Virtanen is one of his linemates. idk why the would make such a dumb mistake, was nobody double checking this kind of stuff? Also found it funny it feels like half the Habs roster last season was in this video
5 août 2023 à 14 h 8
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And now I know why nobody cares about the Hlinka Gretzky. Might be one of the worst officiated matches I have seen in my life.
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5 août 2023 à 14 h 30
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
And now I know why nobody cares about the Hlinka Gretzky. Might be one of the worst officiated matches I have seen in my life.


That Spence goal though
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5 août 2023 à 14 h 34
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That Spence goal though


Was gorgeous, glad the right team won despite the Ref's best attempts to swing it the other way.
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5 août 2023 à 15 h 0
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A very smart team will draft Nela Lopusanova in 2026. She would be absolutely electric
5 août 2023 à 16 h 9
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And now I know why nobody cares about the Hlinka Gretzky. Might be one of the worst officiated matches I have seen in my life.


Hell my school’s student council is covered on the news more then that tournament
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5 août 2023 à 17 h 34
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Hell my school’s student council is covered on the news more then that tournament


It's Canada's tournament and it was played in Czech, so I can see why the Refs were bias. They're also the Refs from the Czech top league so it makes sense. Still couldn't hold off Canada.
5 août 2023 à 21 h 43
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
It's Canada's tournament and it was played in Czech, so I can see why the Refs were bias. They're also the Refs from the Czech top league so it makes sense. Still couldn't hold off Canada.


Did you see Canada getting effed on the *** by a horrible finnish tea
Stupid tournament...
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6 août 2023 à 9 h 47
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They don’t have one star in the top 6 and no one who’s close to 1C caliber.

1st liner - middle 6 center- middle 6 winger
2nd line winger-middle 6 center- middle 6 winger


IMO, we also need a true top 6 RW like Brock Boeser or Nylander. If we can get both a top 6 rw and a #1 c , we’re in the playoffs.
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6 août 2023 à 10 h 47
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Really want to see what this Karlsson trade looks like, I think the return might be really disapointing honestly.

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1688195661529759745?s=20
 
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