Scheifele doesn’t fit the timeline and his play style isn’t what we need from a 1C

Fair point. Isn't Boston's timeline the same every year? WIn, Win, Win. What about him doesn't fit and please don't talk about his +/- stats? 5 people are on the ice contribute to that stat and a guy who also puts in forth line minutes when someone gets hurt shouldn't have that fall directly on his shoulders. Is there work to be done their, for sure, but that is a really poor tracking stat. Also, the whole locker room issues is a myth. His whole team voted him to be a leader so that should show the knowledgeable people what that means.

So I understand Hellebuyck going to the devils makes all the sense in the world for them to become a powerhouse in the east and take a few cup runs, but I think you forgot the salary cap exists and he wants to be the highest paid goalie in the NHL, even if he comes down and asks for an 8 per deal Devils can't come close to that they have to do MErcer and Schmid after this coming season and then Huges the season after that.

And i don't see them giving up a lot to only take one year run with him and then him walking in free agency.

Not sure of their finances and how they see the fit. This is all without an extension and why the return is less than flattering.

Vancouver would accept that deal.

I understand your thinking Cory, but there's just no chance the Jets sell that low on Hellebuyck and Scheifele. They'd be better off just keeping them and letting them walk as UFA's as that has more value to the Jets than the trades.

Also, according to the insiders, Garland is a free asset, so he should not cost even that much. Taking on his contract for free is good value for Vancouver.

It is schiefele work ethic lots of times he half asses it back into the dzone and looks to really care less if they get scored on. He’s been a defensive reliability since about half way through Maurice’s tenure as coach and that just won’t work with Boston.

Boston has always been a defence by committee squad and everyone is expected to contribute on both ends of the ice, maybe a change of scenery is all he needs to regain the form he once had of being a 2 way Center man and maybe if had wingers like Marchand and debrusk who are good defensively that would influence his game but i don’t think that’s a risk Boston is willing to take for their future starting goalie when next season we have 20+ mill in cap and more if we move Ullmark then we could look to target any one of the top UFA centers including schiefele if they think he’s the answer.

Rather just let the young guys develop this year, hope for a breakout season and then that’s one less whole to fill, im really high on Geekie and giving him the best opportunities we can

Appleton is very serviceable. Stanley depth D more like AHL. Pick tossed in makes it an easy yes to save cap space.

Yah they have a little over $4M in cap space rn with Kevin Bahl still to sign.
Next summer Dawson Mercer is due. Even at a bridge deal and resigning players for less they don't have the money to offer him anything near what he wants.
Basically, they would have to give up assets, and likely more than you mentioned just to have him for one year and then try and sign and trade him else where.

Scheifele seems like a good guy at a personal level but he’s certainly more of an offensive minded forward and metrics wise it seems that he’s flat out not defensively responsible
The Bruins need a Center that is “defense first” and Scheifele doesn’t really kill penalties and I don’t think he takes many d zone faceoffs He also isn’t the greatest forechecker and I’ve heard there are games he just doesn’t backcheck at all and all of those things are exactly what the team needs from the Center who’s going to replace Bergeron
What I think a lot of people fail to realize is that the Bruins management really value balanced Centers even at the expense of point production and obviously there would be exceptions in the case of superstars like Draisaitl
I don’t necessarily agree with that philosophy but I think that’s just how they view the 1C position they need that player to be someone who plays a very balanced game across all metrics

Jets wouldn't offer it. If hall was free Garland probably is too lol

Jets have to take vanecek back at least. I’m not sure why fans are scared of adding good players and having to make a move or two to make it work. Look at vegas lol. They added good players and made the money work and they won a cup doing it.

I think Scheifele meets what the Bruins are looking for and I like that trade.... Problem would be Winnipeg would have to retain salary. I would toss in a high draft pick for them to do so since the Bruins cant draft for **** anyway

I don't think I trade Casey for Hellebuyck, and there would have to be retention if Vanecek isn't included.

Also to note is that Daws is injured and out for half the year, so you'd need to sign an AHL goalie

I mean we either hold onto him and he gets blocked by the core of Hamilton, Seigenthaler, Marino, Hughes, and Nemec two years from now. Or we use an asset like him to acquire a position we could use an upgrade at. If Casey as a centerpiece can get us one of Helleybuck, Swayman, or Sarros you simply have to do it.

Or he switches to forward, which he has done at the NCAA level and has all the tools to do when he turns pro. I would trade him for Swayman, and maybe Saros with an extension, but not Hellebuyck at his current contract ask.

If I were to put my money on an outcome, this would be it for Hellebuyck. Goalies are particularly hard to value, hard to maximize return, and are much less frequently traded in-season. Since there is so little cap space available throughout league, Jets probably aren’t getting a ton of bids. And since he has made public he wants huge extension, will be even fewer bidders.

The only good deal there for the JETS is the one with BOS.

Garland isn't a good fit in WPG. The Jets don't need any small overpriced guys. Garland is one of the guys that VAN needs to package with a pick or prospect to get rid of him.

The NJD deal is brutal for WPG. 2 prospects for a Vezina goalie? Hmmmm...

Yeah, I think he stays as well. The "huge extension" part though, I don't think has any affect. What we think is huge and the actual people that are paying the money think is huge are incredibly different. The interested teams will have a fairly accurate idea of what the extension will be and if they want him will comeup with a way to make it fit. So, I don't think rumours of a large ask affect anyone outside of fans as the people involved know the actual story and aren't paying attention to rumours.

I do however think, with Vegas winning, that more teams are leaning towards "team average goaltending can work" and look elsewhere when they find out the acquisition cost and couple it with the extension cost.

I would agree, but goalies don't hold as much value as you may think. What was the last big haul for a goalie? Vegas proved it last year with Adin Hill that you don't need to spend a ton on a goalie no matter what their caliber is. Goalies are a fickle bunch, when they are hot, they are unbeatable, and any goalie can get hot. Montreal was a horrible team when they went to the final. It was only because Carey Price played unreal. Same with Adin Hill this year. Even Bobrovsky in Florida.

Not saying they would. I'm only responding to the post.

Key is Vegas signed almost all the players they traded for long-term. They didn't make a move to let someone walk after one year.

While I am not sure if this trade is the right trade for both teams, however, What I haven't seen anyone mention here is that it has been mentioned a couple of times on Sportsnet and Tsn is that Boston is one of Scheifele's top preferred teams to get moved to, he does have a modified NTC, and the Jets seem open to helping him get to a team he wants. This all changes the trade value for him a lot especially after having made over $50 M after this season mabye he signs for less with a team he wants to play off.

I hear ya, historically goalies don't go for much.

I think the Jets win in that Scheifele trade. Swayman in a #1 goalie in this league. I think he is all but proven he can take that role. I really like Fredrick, I think he is just the type of player this team needs.

I may be the only one, but I definitely think Garland is a good hockey player. Maybe not a top line guy, but for under 5 mil, he can fit in well on the middle six. Appleton to me is a dime a dozen, Stanley doesn't want to be here, maybe you remove the pick.

Holy crap a B’s fan that actually realizes they’re legitimately screwed at C and is okay with moving a young goalie for a 40 goal scorer….