Suit yourself then.

IMO, Flyers deserved more than what they got here.

If someone proposed this exact trade in AGM, he/she would get roasted.

And rightfully so.

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4305524

This was before the RyJo and Hall deals. I don't think the Flyers deserved more because the market adjusted and said cap dumps aren't worth a whole lot. Flyers also get the benefit of an additional 3.5M in space that they otherwise wouldn't have had

I think Stevey Y set the market with the Vrana dump a few months back.

Hayes at 3.6 million for the next 3 season has positive value.

And the RoJo and Hall deals were also egregious.

We agree to disagree.

it's still the term on Hayes that pulls his value back to nothing.

google zack kassian

The Ryjo, Hall, and most importantly the one that set the market Vrana deals are the reality of the current cap world.

Got an old player with term who is underperforming the contract that you WANT moved, it's 50% retained for a bag of pucks or a buyout that lingers twice as long.

Only question now is who is going to get Granlund for 2.5 million.

1. Vrana was injured most of the time and went into the players assistance program.

He was the very definition of a cap dump.

Ryjo, Hall and Hayes can all still play in your Top 6 for the most part.



2. Even in this current cap world, GMs are still wildly inconsistent with their trade values.

It's their fault they can't come up with better trade ideas.



3. Granlund at 2.5 million can be had for future considerations.

When he went to Pittsburgh, his on-ice performance nose-dived.



4. I understand there's a sunk cost element to all these trades.

And some can be forgiven.

But the more sunk costs are incurred by a single team, the more badly that team's GM needs to be fired.

W for Torts. His authority cannot be overstated.

It really just shows that the teams that have cap space aren't much interested in taking back salary, imo. Teams don't have the option of dumping guys owed a bunch of money, especially on long-term deals for mid-round picks right now. So teams are forced to get more creative to make deals happen to find space. Poile was willing to dump RyJo and pay half his contract to make four million in cap space. If he could have made room another way for cheap, he would have done it.
I'm guessing the Torts/Hayes situation probably makes Philly a motivated seller, and if the best they could do was a sixth and extra cap space, they took it.

Good for St. Louis though. They can retain again later if the gamble doesn't pay off, and at 25% he's easy for most teams to fit even if he's playing more of a bottom-six role at that point. Meantime, he's a decent middle-six C on an entirely reasonable cap hit for them.

Giving away Kevin Hayes for free lol.

Armstrong W.

Sorry, english is my second language. Thank you for just asking a rectification and not just blasting me.

I applaud you for participating on a board where English is your second language. I would have nightmares about posting on a French message board.

I agree that cap space is valuable, but it shouldn't be this valuable. If Hayes was being paid $3.6 million, then you would be able to get serious assets back for him. Only getting a 6th is nothing.

Holy crap this leads me to believe SJ is going to get screwed in a Karlsson trade. Can't believe all that retention and term for only a 6th

Cap move?

the 6th round isnt worth much... the Flyers will miss that capspace more than what that pick is likely to bring.

Hayes for 3yrs at 3.5... is a pretty good deal.

Blues got him at 50% retained basically for free. Big win for them. I don't like Hayes at $7M, but I love him at $3.5M.

What we’re seeing with this trade and the Johansen trade is a different approach to cap dumps. What we are used to seeing is teams giving up positive assets, like early round draft picks, to get another team to take a bad contract off their hands. Instead, these teams are retaining salary to turn the bad contract into a neutral one, i.e. one that another team would be willing to give the player if he was a UFA. This way they don’t have to give up any positive assets.

Whether Philadelphia got a 6th-round pick, a pending UFA or a bag of pucks is irrelevant. The goal was not to get anything of value back. The goal was to get somebody to take the player for nothing. What we should be debating is not the return but the amount of the retention. At what annual cap hit for 3 years does Hayes have value as a player? According to this trade, it’s $3,571,429. Should it have been more like $4M or $5? Should they have been able to get somebody to take him for nothing with less retention?

I’m surprised they couldn’t move him with less retention. I know there’s more to a player’s value than how many points he puts up, but Hayes was only one point off his career best this past season. How does he go from being worth over $7M per year after a 19-goal, 55-point season in 2019 to only half of that after an 18-goal, 54-point season in 2023?