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2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #2 - The Salepocalypse

16 juin 2023 à 9 h 40
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I hope Bunting’s cost is reasonable but I feel it may not be since the ufa class is so weak and Toronto plays a looser aggressive game (due to high end skill) resulting in a few more points for the high offensive side.

I think something like 3.5 x 3 is where I’d like it. I think 5 x 5 is where he wants it.

It’s a weird situation where last year he’s a Calder finalist this year he’s a ufa. It kinda makes any comparable harder. It’s almost like a 2-4 year deal is best, I guess? Idk.

I have no dislike for him at all, but I also wonder how his production goes when he isn’t with both a top 10 center and winger for the majority of his minutes. For all I know it will be better. Kinda hard to put a guy down for doing good in a good situation.

5v5 I’d much rather try to acquire Lawson crouse out of Arizona. He is much more productive 5v5 imo and without the same talent level around him. Cheaper, better, substantially longer track record would be worth the cost to me. What’s 2 firsts and a prospect between friends.
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16 juin 2023 à 10 h 28
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Habs want the second overall pick,

What gets the deal done.
16 juin 2023 à 10 h 37
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Habs want the second overall pick,

What gets the deal done.


Literally nothing. Montreal has nothing that entices Anaheim over Fantilli who is slated to be a power forward 1C. Those don't grow on trees
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16 juin 2023 à 10 h 40
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I want bunting to be a capital


Why
16 juin 2023 à 10 h 50
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The interesting thing is for the first time in like 5 years they got more than 10 mill in cap space to spend. If we factor a Murray dump or buyout they got 20mill to spend.....

Does it mean cup idk but hey gives them space to go address some issues specifically depth scoring

Give me Bertuzzi to start lul

But man FA pool kind of sucks not gonna lie and at the time we get cap space lul.


Some teams are gonna be looking at some of those 2016 overpays this season for sure.

I'm not sure you can look at 10mil in cap space as too much of a blessing this season. Especially since Toronto just iced their strongest team in years and went out the same way. Albeit a round later.
16 juin 2023 à 10 h 52
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Why


Reminds me of Wilson without the hits. Only reason why
16 juin 2023 à 11 h 45
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Reminds me of Wilson without the hits. Only reason why


As someone who watched a lot of Bunting and really likes the guy, I can tell you that he nothing like Wilson

He always felt like a bit of a passenger with the Leafs; he produces really well and definitely made the Matthews - Marner line better, but when he was seperated from them he looked lost. We have enough guys like that
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16 juin 2023 à 11 h 45
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Habs want the second overall pick,

What gets the deal done.


Guess that depends on how Anaheim values Fantilli and how much lower they value whoever they have at #5. Maybe something like Guhle + Beck + 5th Overall?
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16 juin 2023 à 16 h 2
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Bahahahahahaaaa
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16 juin 2023 à 16 h 4
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Inject OEL on Montreal into my Veins
16 juin 2023 à 16 h 4
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Bahahahahahaaaa


Everyone knew it was a terrible contract. Vancouver thought they could get something out of him... yikes what a terrible call.
16 juin 2023 à 16 h 8
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Trading Dylan Guenther for 8 years of dead cap is absolutely insane
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16 juin 2023 à 16 h 10
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does ARZ get their retention spot back?
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16 juin 2023 à 16 h 16
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Oh brother...

My guess is that he'll go to Boston on a 1m x 1y deal
16 juin 2023 à 16 h 17
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does ARZ get their retention spot back?


Yes
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16 juin 2023 à 16 h 18
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Yes


Arizona W and they get a higher cap hit. Double W
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16 juin 2023 à 16 h 18
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Bahahahahahaaaa


Jim Benning strikes again
16 juin 2023 à 16 h 20
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
does ARZ get their retention spot back?


Yes, however, they now have to take the % they retained and get that % of the buyout
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16 juin 2023 à 16 h 21
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16 juin 2023 à 16 h 21
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Oh brother...

My guess is that he'll go to Boston on a 1m x 1y deal


That is a horrid buyout for Vancouver, Arizona probably hates it too because now they have a 8 year buyout
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16 juin 2023 à 16 h 22
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If im OEL I look to sign a cheap deal on a competitor as hes gonna get 2.4mill for the next 5+ years or something from the buyout

Carolina, Tampa, Florida, Colorado, Toronto, Edmonton, LA, NYR could all be destinations

As him on the third pair at like 2mill is not bad
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16 juin 2023 à 16 h 28
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Yes, however, they now have to take the % they retained and get that % of the buyout


Honestly a big W for them even with the Cap charge. Retention spots are useful, and the charge is max 650k, and only 290k for the final 4 years


edit: MAJOR L FOR ZONA
16 juin 2023 à 16 h 36
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Yes, however, they now have to take the % they retained and get that % of the buyout


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Yes






oof. NHL has some wierd rules
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16 juin 2023 à 16 h 43
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I’m slow:

Basically now Arizona has lost an RS slot for the additional buyout term as well as losing the full cap hit to get to the cap floor? So their floor calculation now includes their retained % of Vancouver’s penalty? Does Vancouver’s penalty go down if Arizona has to share it? Or they don’t share that part…
16 juin 2023 à 16 h 50
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oof. NHL has some wierd rules


Wtf? Well that sucks. Going to be tough for Salt Lake City to work around that one...
 
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