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10 different Alex DeBrincat trades that would allow Ottawa to save face

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Équipe: 2023-24 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 26 mai 2023
Publié: 26 mai 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
None of these 10 trades have to be made.


None of these 10 teams have to trade for DeBrincat.


Please read this description before commenting.
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1.
OTT
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NYI)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (BOS)
Détails additionnels:
#17 overall in 2023 + Top 10 Protected first in 2024 from Boston
DET
  1. DeBrincat, Alex [Droits de RFA]
2.
OTT
DET
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NYI)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (BOS)
3.
OTT
  1. Levi, Devon
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (BUF)
Détails additionnels:
#13 overall in 2023 + Buffalo's choice of either Devon Levi, JJ Peterka or Jack Quinn.
BUF
4.
OTT
BUF
  1. Levi, Devon
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (BUF)
5.
OTT
  1. Lapierre, Hendrix
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (WSH)
Détails additionnels:
#8 overall in 2023 + Hendrix Lapierre
WSH
6.
OTT
WSH
  1. Lapierre, Hendrix
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (WSH)
7.
OTT
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (PIT)
Détails additionnels:
#14 overall in 2023 + two seconds
PIT
8.
OTT
PIT
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (PIT)
9.
OTT
  1. Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NYI)
Détails additionnels:
JG Pageau + lottery protected first for 2024
NYI
10.
OTT
NYI
  1. Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NYI)
11.
OTT
  1. Holtz, Alexander
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
Détails additionnels:
Alexander Holtz + conditional first for 2024


The condition would be if New Jersey reaches the 2024 ECF, Ottawa would receive a first for 2025 instead.
NJD
12.
OTT
NJD
  1. Holtz, Alexander
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
13.
OTT
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (CAR)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (CAR)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PHI)
Détails additionnels:
Lottery protected first for 2024 + Carolina's two seconds for 2024
CAR
14.
OTT
CAR
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (CAR)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (CAR)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PHI)
15.
OTT
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NSH)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (TBL)
Détails additionnels:
#15 overall in 2023 + Top 10 Protected first in 2025 from Tampa
NSH
16.
OTT
NSH
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NSH)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (TBL)
17.
OTT
  1. Wright, Shane
Détails additionnels:
Alex DeBrincat for Shane Wright straight up
SEA
18.
19.
OTT
  1. Mangiapane, Andrew
  2. Vladar, Daniel
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CGY)
Détails additionnels:
#16 overall in 2023 + Andrew Mangiapane + Calgary's choice of either Dillon Dube or Daniel Vladar
CGY
20.
OTT
CGY
  1. Mangiapane, Andrew
  2. Vladar, Daniel
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CGY)
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
1183 500 000 $66 424 047 $0 $1 850 000 $17 075 953 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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8 205 714 $8 205 714 $
AG
UFA - 5
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8 350 000 $8 350 000 $
C
UFA - 8
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, C
NMC
UFA - 2
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2 950 000 $2 950 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
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835 000 $835 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
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4 975 000 $4 975 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
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762 500 $762 500 $
AG
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
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4 600 000 $4 600 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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4 600 000 $4 600 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance1 850 000 $$2M)
DG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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7 950 000 $7 950 000 $
C
UFA - 7
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
G
UFA - 2

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26 mai 2023 à 12 h 37
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If Michkov isn't at 8 I can see Caps doing that.
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26 mai 2023 à 12 h 39
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How does the Cats trade value increase after a huge dip in goals & being a dash 31? Sens won’t get the return they paid for him, let’s move on!
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26 mai 2023 à 12 h 40
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Quoting: rickdabeaut
How does the Cats trade value increase after a huge dip in goals & being a dash 31? Sens won’t get the return they paid for him, let’s move on!


And having no years left on his deal
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26 mai 2023 à 12 h 40
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Wings pass, price would have to be significantly less
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26 mai 2023 à 12 h 42
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No team is paying more for DeBrincat than what Ottawa paid, This is a royal joke. Especially for a one year rental with no guarantee of an extension in place.
26 mai 2023 à 12 h 43
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You're not getting two 1st's for Cat. Or a 1st and a top prospect. Dream on.
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26 mai 2023 à 12 h 44
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Wings aren't' interested in Cat
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26 mai 2023 à 12 h 48
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None of those players are available from buffalo.
26 mai 2023 à 12 h 50
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Very inconsistent in terms of overall suggested value of returns from different teams, some are clearly a lot more valuable than others. but most, if not all of them, are higher than what the Sens gave for DeBrincat last summer.
26 mai 2023 à 12 h 50
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Pens decline.
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26 mai 2023 à 12 h 51
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The only trade that makes sense to the other "teams" would be the Isles trade, if they had the the cap.
The other teams have trouble fitting in DeBrincat into their cap. And even they did, they can spend DeBrincat's cap on a UFA or two and keep all those young assets.

Sorry, it was poor trade by Dorion. Didn't help the Sens last season, he's in effect a upcoming UFA. And if Sens can't move him, his QO is so high.....the Sens either don't qualify him, or have to trade good cap out of the link to fit him in.
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26 mai 2023 à 13 h 3
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Quoting: rickdabeaut
How does the Cats trade value increase after a huge dip in goals & being a dash 31? Sens won’t get the return they paid for him, let’s move on!


Quoting: buffbry
And having no years left on his deal


Quoting: buffbry
Wings pass, price would have to be significantly less


Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
No team is paying more for DeBrincat than what Ottawa paid, This is a royal joke. Especially for a one year rental with no guarantee of an extension in place.


Quoting: Spaceman
You're not getting two 1st's for Cat. Or a 1st and a top prospect. Dream on.


Quoting: Spaceman
Wings aren't' interested in Cat


Quoting: wojme
None of those players are available from buffalo.


Quoting: Tintin
Very inconsistent in terms of overall suggested value of returns from different teams, some are clearly a lot more valuable than others. but most, if not all of them, are higher than what the Sens gave for DeBrincat last summer.


Quoting: HulkVader
Pens decline.


Quoting: palhal
The only trade that makes sense to the other "teams" would be the Isles trade, if they had the the cap.
The other teams have trouble fitting in DeBrincat into their cap. And even they did, they can spend DeBrincat's cap on a UFA or two and keep all those young assets.

Sorry, it was poor trade by Dorion. Didn't help the Sens last season, he's in effect a upcoming UFA. And if Sens can't move him, his QO is so high.....the Sens either don't qualify him, or have to trade good cap out of the link to fit him in.


Looks like a few people here can't read a very brief description of only 3 sentences.
26 mai 2023 à 13 h 8
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Quoting: sensonfire
Looks like a few people here can't read a very brief description of only 3 sentences.


Those 3 sentences really mean nothing to the value of players in these trades
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26 mai 2023 à 13 h 12
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Those 3 sentences really mean nothing to the value of players in these trades


Neither do most of the comments in this thread.
26 mai 2023 à 13 h 14
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Quoting: sensonfire
Looks like a few people here can't read a very brief description of only 3 sentences.


This is true, But at the same time you made unrealistic trade demands for Debrincat. if you happened to look he had a pretty bad season with Ottawa. Your trade proposals are ludicrous and DeBrincat wouldn't even be traded to 90% of those teams.
26 mai 2023 à 13 h 21
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This is true, But at the same time you made unrealistic trade demands for Debrincat. if you happened to look he had a pretty bad season with Ottawa. Your trade proposals are ludicrous and DeBrincat wouldn't even be traded to 90% of those teams.


1. Ottawa does not need to trade DeBrincat to all 10 of these teams.

We just need to trade him to 1.



2. Based on a couple of the comments in this thread, the trades with the Isles and the Caps are somewhat possible.



3. I recommend reading the description again.

It's only 3 sentences.
26 mai 2023 à 13 h 23
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Quoting: sensonfire
Neither do most of the comments in this thread.


None of these 10 trades have to be made. True, and most of them wouldn't be made if the GM's were given the proposed cost.


None of these 10 teams have to trade for DeBrincat. This goes right back to point 1, most of those teams wouldn't make the trades with the given proposed values.


Please read this description before commenting. ok

You made an ACGM for what purpose other than to propose a perceived value for DeBrincat? Posters conveyed why the perceived value is off, and in defense of this you point to a description that has little bearing on what is proposed.

If this was solely to show huge returns for the player that would allow them to save face, then why make it in the first place? Ottawa could still save face in a return for DeBrincat without receiving more in a trade than they paid for him. I could make an ACGM for how Buffalo could save face in some of their trades by trading said player for the Bedard pick, or McDavid but it serves no purpose.
26 mai 2023 à 13 h 24
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I don’t think Wright, Holtz or Levi would be available. Any of them with a 1st in teens this year seem about right. Any with 2024 1st (like Pageau and 2024 1st) seem a bit light.

I could see…

DET: #17 overall, one their 2nds, 2025 conditional 3rd
PIT: #14 overall, 2nd, conditional 2025 pick

Something along those lines
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26 mai 2023 à 13 h 24
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Quoting: sensonfire
Looks like a few people here can't read a very brief description of only 3 sentences.


I don't see how your description should affect the feedback you've received in the AGM.

"None of these 10 trades have to be made."
"None of these 10 teams have to trade for DeBrincat."
Couldn't the same be said for any AGM on this forum? No trades posted in any AGM have to be made, but as a community we sure as 5h!t will discuss the trades presented by the OP of any AGM.

Perhaps you should clarify what you meant with your description beyond those sentences that don't say anything about any special properties of this AGM at all...

Anyway, DeBrincat is not nearly as valuable a commodity as you believe him to be.
26 mai 2023 à 13 h 25
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Quoting: sensonfire
1. Ottawa does not need to trade DeBrincat to all 10 of these teams.

We just need to trade him to 1.

Sure trade DeBrincat to the Isles and Caps if you want crappy returns, Neither of those 2 teams can offer up anymore than 90% of these teams. Isles don't even have the cap space for Cat and outside of the 8th overall pick the Caps don't have any meaningful pieces that wouldn't be beaten.

2. Based on a couple of the comments in this thread, the trades with the Isles and the Caps are somewhat possible.



3. I recommend reading the description again.

It's only 3 sentences.
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26 mai 2023 à 13 h 29
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None of these 10 trades have to be made. True, and most of them wouldn't be made if the GM's were given the proposed cost.


None of these 10 teams have to trade for DeBrincat. This goes right back to point 1, most of those teams wouldn't make the trades with the given proposed values.


Please read this description before commenting. ok

You made an ACGM for what purpose other than to propose a perceived value for DeBrincat? Posters conveyed why the perceived value is off, and in defense of this you point to a description that has little bearing on what is proposed.

If this was solely to show huge returns for the player that would allow them to save face, then why make it in the first place? Ottawa could still save face in a return for DeBrincat without receiving more in a trade than they paid for him. I could make an ACGM for how Buffalo could save face in some of their trades by trading said player for the Bedard pick, or McDavid but it serves no purpose.


1. Ottawa only needs to trade DeBrincat to just 1 team.

Once that happens, none of the other teams will matter.



2. The fact that you used the word "most" means I might have found that 1 team.
26 mai 2023 à 13 h 33
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I don't see how your description should affect the feedback you've received in the AGM.

"None of these 10 trades have to be made."
"None of these 10 teams have to trade for DeBrincat."
Couldn't the same be said for any AGM on this forum? No trades posted in any AGM have to be made, but as a community we sure as 5h!t will discuss the trades presented by the OP of any AGM.

Perhaps you should clarify what you meant with your description beyond those sentences that don't say anything about any special properties of this AGM at all...

Anyway, DeBrincat is not nearly as valuable a commodity as you believe him to be.


When did I say the description should affect the feedback I get in this ACGM ?
26 mai 2023 à 13 h 36
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Buffalo easy pass
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26 mai 2023 à 13 h 38
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Quoting: Fjordy
Buffalo easy pass


Looks like somebody didn't read the description.
26 mai 2023 à 13 h 44
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Looks like a few people here can't read a very brief description of only 3 sentences.


Looks like you shouldn't make threads like this again since those 3 sentences mean nothing
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