I do not want Hall back on this team

Trading Marino would be a bigger mistake than trading Bratt.

Come on, it'd be fun.

I find it so interesting that so many NHL fans believe this, that Marino is more important to this Devils team than Bratt.
I'd love to know why that is.

Sabres pass, I don't think they move Quinn anytime soon.

B’s likely consider that.

I get that. Seems like it would go against Adams's overall strategy for that roster.
For this AGM it's more important that the value in the trade is fairly balanced, which I think it is.

Attaboy

Sabres already have a filled out roster I don't think they would want that many players. I get that Brat is in there so there is quality, but I just don't see the point.

The Devils have plenty of high end forwards especially if they keep Meier. They don’t have another match up D man like Marino. Dougie is great but he’s not the defensive guy Marino is.

No thx, we could have get Marino from Pittsburgh, but unfortunately we didn't.

Stillman and Thompson are included here for novelty purposes, their removal from the trade wouldn't shift the balance in value (cus they don't really have any value).
But since I did include them, Stillman is a prospect and will be in the juniors / AHL for quite some time (forever more likely) and Thompson would be a 4th liner / 13th Fwd.

I did a check on the Buffalo side before posting, could look something like this:
Skinner - Tage - Tuch
Peterka - Cozens - Bratt
Sharangovich - Krebs - Olofsson
Greenway - Jost - Thompson / Mits

and given the state of the Sabres current RHD corps, Marino would be a VERY valuable get for them.
I didn't quite realize how bad that part of the Sabres roster looks until recently.

Not to say that any of these guys are as good as Jesper Bratt, but you'll notice that I added 2 'high-end' forwards in Killorn and Quinn, on top of adding Holtz into the lineup.
You can't have too many good forwards on a roster.

I don't think that Marino provides anything different to someone like Siegenthaler and possibly Bahl from next season onward.
Don't get me wrong, I like Marino and would do the Ty Smith + 3rd trade for him everyday of the week. But he's not some defensive God that some people make him out to be.
Marino is a pretty good 2nd pairing RHD in my view, that's all.

Buffalo trade seems like an odd fit. Jack Quinn is a good prospect, and one could project him to fill the absence of Bratt. But no reason to move Marino, I would keep him and forego the Killorn signing ($6m to play 12 minutes a game?).

Bratt + Sharangovich + Thompson + Stillman, in a vacuum, should get back Quinn and a pick.

Two things about Marino though….he is consistent and his cap hit is good. Killorn isn’t putting up the same numbers in our 4th line as he did in Tampa. Just keep Bastian there who is solid for that role.

While other Sabre fans may say "do not trade Quinn," this is quite the haul for him and a first.
Bratt would fit into the line up where you have him.
Marino would be the Sabres #2RHD
Sharangovich could help shore up the Sabres PK
Thompson or Stillman probably will not push any of the Sabre prospects out of the line up.
With all of that, the Sabres would pass as both Bratt and Sharangovich would be expecting sizable salary increases.
Quinn also has all of tools to be as good as Bratt next year, but will be on an ELC until the end of the 2025 season.
If one only sees Jokiharju and Lyubushkin as RHD one would be over looking Dahlin is currently playing on the right.
Jokiharju is only 23, at 23 Marino was certainly not considered a top four defenseman (when he was traded for Smith and a third), all of the signs indicated Jokiharju will do the same this year.

Don't really disagree with anything here.
One of the reasons I'm trading Marino comes from giving Severson that contract, it basically means that Marino would have to be traded by start of the 24/25 season.
Since Buffalo work so well here if you're interested in that #13 overall pick I'm fond of the idea of trading Marino now.

Killorn was my first thought for filling out all that short-term cap space with is all, had to do something with it.
I'm a big fan of Bastian's game but I do think that this roster would be way more competitive with Killorn as 4RW over Bastian, even if the 4th line plays under 14 minutes a game.

Giving it some more thought, I suppose a more optimal thing to do is to not sign Killorn, use Bastian in his place and use Walsh as base for a rental D trade.
Grzelcyk, DeMelo, Hanifin and Tanev come to mind. Tanev could actually be perfect to sub in as 3RHD for one season.

I think Bratt should come in at the Fiala level and Sharangovich takes his QO.
Add Marino's cap to that and you're looking at roughly 14.5m in cap commitments.
That's 14.5m very well spent and it shouldn't detract whatsoever from the Sabres ability to get Power and JJ locked in the summer after.

You're correct in that I didn't account for Dahlin to play on the right. Certainly makes the overall situation less dire.

I like Quinn a lot, him reaching Bratt's levels is a gonna be a challenge though. We'll see how that plays out.
As for Jokiharju, I've always had a soft spot for him and he's clearly very talented, but man he has some ways to go still to be an overall asset at the NHL level.
I hope he gets there but I don't see it.

The value is probably fine, but from an analytics standpoint (before all the deranged point worshippers show up), Quinn had an exceptional rookie season, especially down the stretch. He was also very good defensively, which is something the Sabres lack. It's not out of the realm of possibility that Quinn ends up being the best player in the deal. He's as close to untouchable as you can get with out being that. More or less an established part of the core. If he got moved, it'd have to be for someone who is already on a team friendly deal, that way you can justify it from a cap management perspective.

Frankly, as a Canes fan, Marino had a bigger impact on the series than Bratt did. Bratt was virtually invisible the entire series other than a couple of chances, whereas Marino was helping keeping the games a lot closer than they should have been. I mean, if you think that the blowouts in that series were wild, if it weren’t for Marino, the margins in a couple of those games would be quite a bit bigger.

I mean, would you rather have a defensive dman who is actually doing a damn good job (all things considered) at playing defense or an expensive winger who goes virtually invisible throughout an entire series? The value that Marino brings, especially on his contract (massive steal btw) is a lot higher than a winger who could be rather easily replaced in terms of offense.

NMC

Nope. 10 team NTC