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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 1 heure
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>If the sabres are in it, and hall has chemistry with eichel, the sabres may be looking to extend hall. If thats the case, i can see reinhart shaking loose to make room for hall. Either way, eriksson will cost more to move than is assumed here, moving reinhart to make space, only to then add eriksson- that doesnt work.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabresparaavida</b></div><div>Buffalo really should rebuild? Main man wants out? That is all just spectaculation, Jack Eichel has never said that. This off-season we fixed our biggest hole of the last 2 years, and added an elite winger to boot. If we don’t make the playoffs this year, it will be the longest drought in history. This is not a year that Buffalo really should rebuild.</div></div>

I am just spitballin here as I do not get to watch Jake very much.
He actually had a higher pt/60 than Sam last year, so I could easily see him among the Sabres top six.
Sam will most likely want over $6,000,000 long term next year.
Loui has a cap hit of $6,000,000 and Jake has a cap hit of $2,550,000 and both expire at the end of the year.
Let's presume Sam will accept only $6,000,000
If we send Loui to the minors his cap hit is only $4,875,000 and Jake is $2,550,000 for a sum total of $7,425,000 only $1,425,000 greater than Sam alone and the Sabres get two first round picks.
Alternatively if the Sabres were to buy our Loui, then his cap hit next year would only be $4,000,000 and $1,000,000 the following year.
So they could take the entire cap hit in one year or spread it out over two.
I think I would make this trade, I think it is a bad deal for Vancouver.

I welcome your feed back.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 2 heures
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 9:54 am
Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 10:03 am
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Tis the year of hindsight</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_Habs_fan</b></div><div>Some of those players are still good or will be good there is just someone better</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OnlyBadDeals</b></div><div>Almost every team can put Slavin in these hindsight teams. Same for Point</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kratsov_Stan</b></div><div>It couldn't have been, look at that cap hit</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Miles_Togo</b></div><div>This implies that teams have nothing to do with the successful or failed development of players when they clearly have enormous impact.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>^^^THIS^^^
Drafting as hi as they did, the problem isn’t who they chose but how poorly they developped them.
This is why their rebuilt fails since forever, and why tanking again probably won't work.
The GM might as well trade away their picks (like the Montour trade) if the owner doesn't want to invest in the développement system.</div></div>

Ottawa, Washington, San Jose, and Chicago all passed on Andrei Vasilevskiy before Tampa Bay took him.
Eighteen rounds passed before Theodore was picked by the Ducks.
Detroit, Florida, Los Angeles, Carolina all passed before Vegas took Nick Suzuki, then they traded him away anyway.
Many teams passed on Jaccob Slavin before he was taken in the fourth round.

TBH many teams passed on all of the players except Draisaitl and Sergachev.
They were taken directly after Reinhart and Nylander respectively.
IMO you can actually add DeBrincat to the list as he was taken directly after the pick that we traded away to Florida to get Asplund.
Wow three direct misses from Murray.

If one could redo just one draft make it the 2014 draft:
Draisaitl (422 gm 422 pt) 3rd over Sam (400 gm 255 pt) 2nd
Barbashev (232 gm 77 pt) 33rd over Brenden (131 gm 36 pt) 31st
Montour (243 gm 91 pt) 55th over Karabacek (zero and zero) 49th
Foegele (147 gm 48 pt) 67th over Johansson (6 games as a GK) 61st
Point (295 gm 262 pt) 79th over Martin (Zero Zero) 74th
Forsling (122 gm 27 pt defenseman) 126th over Willman (Zero Zero)121st
Labanc (248 gm 149 pts) 171st over Brown (Zero Zero) 151st
Ofofsson is the only good player we got other than Sam.

Actually Murry missed a lot:
Sam Reinhart C
400 109 146 255 80
Leon Draisaitl C next pick
422 168 254 422 144

Brendan Lemieux F
131 19 17 36 240
Ivan Barbashev F two picks later
232 37 40 77 46

Vaclav Karabacek
0 0 0 0 0
Roland McKeown two picks later
10 0 3 3 19
Barbashev and McKeown were both expected to be mid first round picks.

Brendan Guhle D
59 4 10 14 24
Rasmus Andersson D two picks later
160 7 34 41 84

Devante Stephens D
0 0 0 0 0
Conor Garland RW next pick
115 35 22 57 32

Giorgio Estephan C
0 0 0 0 0
John Marino D two picks later
56 6 20 26 20

Alexander Nylander RW
84 13 19 32 14
Mikhail Sergachev D next pick
228 25 81 106 124

Brett Murray LW
0 0 0 0 0
Victor Mete D next pick
171 4 27 31 30

Brandon Hagel LW
1 0 0 0 0
Jesper Bratt LW four picks later (only added as Bratt was a great choice in the 6th round)
185 37 63 100 30
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 3:40 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 4:05 pm
Sujet: Eichel
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PGHBOB69</b></div><div>Lol, Mc David and draiasaitl are a different tier of player.. good luck man. Some team Is trading their whole team, and 3 person prospect package, plus 3 1st for It will be the new Gretzky deal but Eichel brought back

Too bad every Analyst, insider, hockey writer, writes the return for Eichel, is a young NHL player with all-star potential, a top 100 prospect, And two 1st( lottery protected they arnt gonna be two top 10 picks. Maybe one higher one a contending team received in a trade, but most likely a teamtrading for Eichel are gonna be a contending team). That his value. McDavjd and Draisiastl are a different trot of player. More value. But still not the moon like u think the return will be.snd yes, for the 100% time, the best move and best value they would probably get is to keep him. Which is probably most likely!!

Quote copy and paste!

1.Brent Burns, Ryan Merkley, Jonathan Dahlen, and a future first-round pick for Eichel.

2. Timo Meier, Merkley, and Dahlen, and a first-round pick for Eichel.

The two deals before this in the article says: A “combination” of the players(which is 2 or 3 players). And includes no picks. Again, copy and paste:

To the Arizona Coyotes for Barrett Hayton, Victor Soderstrom, and goalie Ivan Prosvetov.

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Next article: to Boston:

Jack Debrusk OR J.Studnika, U.Vaakanianen, 1st round pick.

Somehow every ananylst, hockey writer says pretty much in line with what I was saying. This is the realistic return for Eichel. I love google!! Same thing as the lindros trade was ONE 1st round pick, and Ron Hextall’s cap dump along with the 2 NHL players, P.Forburg(just another top 100 prospect at the time) and ONE 1st round pick.</div></div>

Let me cut to the chase.
You have spent a great deal of time trying to dispute my comment.
Please look at my post again.
I never proposed 3 players and 3 first for Jack:
"Would any of them trade McDavid (or Draisaitl) for Reinhart, Miller, Quinn, 2021, 2022 and 2023 first
They would laugh in your face, but ii is tons more than this offer."
Also I stand by my evaluation which you chose to ignore:
Russell, Kris is a cap dump
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan is a #1 center but not elite
Lavoie, Raphael is a B prospect
2022 1st round pick (EDM) late 1st round so call this a second
2023 1st round pick (EDM) same
Nugent-Hopkins with one year remaining on his contract offers Buffalo nearly nothing as he could and most likely would walk after one year as who would want to play for in a dumpster fire.

Let's look total pts of the last five players drafted in the first round from 2012 to 2016 I excluded 2017, 18 and 20 as they are too young to include in this example as the point totals for the last five players drafted in those years only equals 45.
2012 354
2013 331
2014 186
2015 156
2016 96
Those are the CAREER pts of the last five players drafted during those years.
Jack was drafted in 2015 his 5 year pt total of 337 exceed the total pts for all five players in each of those years except 2012.
IMO it is save to presume the draft picks will amount to nothing.
So the trade is a first line center for one year, cap dump, and B prospect and two picks that most likely will prove to be nothing.
Please tell me you are being sarcastic to presume this is a good trade for the Sabres.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 12:23 pm
Sujet: Eichel
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Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 11:40 pm
Sujet: Lines
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Skyraider112</b></div><div>I agree with all of this but continue to believe that Kruger is not a problem. Sure some of his lineup decisions were questionable like benching Miller and playing Bogosian. I have a feeling that must have had to do with something off the ice or something done during a practice though. You say that 9 players had career low years, do you know which those 9 were?</div></div>

IDK what will happen next year, I know the team is better with Hall, Staal, most likely Cozens and Mittelstadt or Thompson or both.
Will it be good enough to be in the playoffs, IDK.
Most prognosticators say no.
IMHO if a team with Skinner, Olofsson, Hall, Staal, Reinhart, Eichel, Cozens, Dahlin cannot make the playoffs, we never will.

I expected the Sabres to be better in '19-'20 after adding Jokiharju, Miller, Vesey and Johansson.
But they were actually worse.

To your question:'
Miller, Montour, Vesey, Okposo, Skinner, Sheary, Rodrigues, Hutton and Pilut.
I know <strong>Pilut </strong>has a short career but he went from 6 pts in 33 games to ZERO pts in 13 games, then he bolted to KHL.
One can say <strong>Hutton </strong>had vision issues, but look at the teams he was asked to play against.
NYR, NYI, TBL, CAR, TBL, TOR, VAN, PHI and VAN for example.
He allowed 5 or more goals in 7 of the 12 consecutive games he lost, some one had to know he was not right, but he was still given tough assignments.
Maybe a case can be made for having too many offensive defensemen and only one puck why <strong>Miller </strong>and <strong>Montour's </strong>production dropped like a pebble in a creek.
To me it was obvious the <strong>Vesey, Skinner, Okposo, Sheary and Rodrigues</strong> were just mis-cast.
Only Jack, Victor and Sam had more pts/60 than <strong>Okposo</strong>, yet he was relegated to the fourth line duty.
Who puts <strong>Skinner </strong>with Sobotka?
<strong>Rodrigues </strong>was coming off his best season, then under Krueger he had the LOWEST TOI/gm than any forward.
<strong>Sheary's </strong>ice was also limited, but his pts/60 were just behind Okposo's.
Sheary's TOI/gm was lower than Larsson or Girgensons.
We had one scoring line all season, maybe move Sam off of the top line.

The PK was too soft and passive.
Is that fault of the HC or the PK coach, IDK.
It was obvious to me that the killers stayed back in their box and allowed the PP team to roam freely never challenging the shooter nor puck carrier.

The PP unit stood around and watch Jack play with the puck.
There was not any movement.
Everyone was a statue hoping jack would find a passing lane.
Is that the fault of the HC or the PP coach?

I have too much to unpack and I could go on for ever.
But before I close, I was very disappointed that the team never once stood up for Skinner when he was challenged.
Some people question my evaluation, but the result is the team did poorer last year than the previous year.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 5:21 pm
Sujet: Lines
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>Interesting, its 3 lines that could be 3 scoring lines. I dont see reider, who im pretty sure was brought in specifically to help the pk. I dont think thompson is good, like at all, im fine with him being in the lineup, maybe he got better, but i wouldnt put him near line 1.</div></div>

I as you are not certain about Thompson.
He played very well in Rochester during the regular season this year and last year.
He was the best player in the 2019 Amerks playoffs and the Sabre prospect challenge.
If he is ready, he would be a good addition to the top line.
Let me add, big players take longer to develop.
I think he is one of the tallest NHL players.
Time will tell. TBH his big body could create a lot space for Jeff and Jack to move.

Lazar &gt;&gt;&gt; Rieder
Lazar wins over 50% of his face offs Rieder about 20%
Lazar had more SH TOI/gm than Rieder (his SH TOI was the fifth highest for the flames)
Lazar had the same # of pts and one more goal playing 17 fewer games than Rieder.
Lazar had a better PDO and much better +/- than Rieder, while having a much lower OZ starts than Rieder..
I think Adams was mesmerized by Rieder equaling a playoff record with 3 SH goals.
There were much better players than Rieder (or Irwin, or Davidson, or Eakin) to sign and one of them was Johan Larsson.
But my concerns about Adams are for another day as I have already posted twice about his signings.
Now it appears we will have almost $10,440,000 tied up in our fourth line while most teams have less than half of that.

Well that is my rant of the day.
I am sorry if I bored you.
Forum: Armchair-GM25 nov à 13 h 54
Sujet: Lines
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFan4Ever34</b></div><div>Ruotsalainen got sent away for the year.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sabres923</b></div><div>He really should make the team 15 goals in 16 games in the Liga this year. Plus he’s 23 he doesn’t need anymore development.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Skyraider112</b></div><div>No he is just loaned.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>I can see a lot of this. Cozens and ruotsalainen could make it very interesting, and thompson, mittelstadt, and okposo could find it difficult to get ice time. The most obvious things i see wrong are- thompson is not a center, girgensons is probably on the 4th line, and montour will probably be the rhd that will play his off side. And of course ristolainen will not be on the third pair, im losing track, but we are on gm #4 and coach #5 and every one of them seems hell-bent on playing him 25 minutes in all situations.</div></div>
First of all your idea is as good as any of ours as we do not get to watch the chemistry during practice.
Is it not nice to be able to discuss if Olofsson should be on the first or third line as there are many possibilities.
Or which of Mittelstadt, Cozens, Thompson, Ruotsalainen will be on the team.

While we all of great ideas, both Hall and Eichel are great playmakers with Taylor actually getting more pts from assists than Jack.
Who knows what Krueger will do.
I have said this before but up 9 players had career worse years under Krueger.

You can all shoot holes in my lines but here they are:
Skinner Eichel Thompson
Hall Staal Cozens
Olofsson Ruotsalainen Reinhart
Girgensons Eakin Okposo
Mittelstadt Lazar in the press box.
We have to put Jeff back with Jack, both will have career years if we did that.
Tage can use his big body to make space for either of them and pick up garbage goals as well
Taylor can drive his own line as he did in NJ, Cozens will be better than Sam was at the same age, I could easily see him get 60 pts.
That third line could be better than any second line the Sabres iced in the last dozen years.

Either Montour or Miller play LD with many different pairings working well.
With more offense, there will be fewer shots on net and therefor fewer GA.
Let me remind every one only 7 GK who played more than 30 games had a better 5 on 5 SV% than Ullmark.
No GK had a better SV% on shots greater than 30 feet than Ullmark.
Get a better PK coach who will force the skaters to be more aggressive instead of sitting back in the box.
Get a better PP coach who will demand more movement when the team has the extra man on the ice.

It could be a very exciting year with Hall and Staal while adding Cozens, Mittelstadt and Thompson.
Forum: Armchair-GM23 nov à 10 h 25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensibleguy</b></div><div>I've been intrigued by Ristolainen, and if he plays the left side very often, so I've been watching videos of games with him recently, and the same thought comes to mind over and over, what the hell is he doing?? Why is he doing the same idiotic risk over and over?

He keeps pinching in about 1/3 way into the offence zone along the boards, to block the puck from exiting the zone, but there's an opposing player there as well, and at least one other behind him. It looks like he's trying to make a hit and block at the same time. Even if it works, it's a very risky move, and I kept seeing it against different teams, each time like he's trying to make a hit, and letting the puck get behind him.
This is a play that's done countless times a game, shooting the puck around the boards to get it out.

Watch these, pause them at 31 seconds in and 30 seconds in

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Or chasing forwards away from the goal in his own zone, getting drawn out.

He has real defensive issues. I've read up on Ristolainen, and the comments are just, defensive issues, without specifics. Difficulties exiting the zone with the puck has been the only specific issue I've read.

His coach needs to sit his ass down and tell him, do that again, and next time you do it, you sit, and each time you do it, you sit. If you don't want to play smart, then you don't play.</div></div>

I know he will often go for the hit, but those are not great examples.
In the first one he was actually pinching and the second he played the body and not the puck.
I the first the pinch did not work, in the second he had a forward in position to allow him to play the body.
You will need to find better examples than those.
Forum: Armchair-GM23 nov à 10 h 15
Sujet: Bluffalo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>herzausstein</b></div><div>There isn’t a team out there in this current flat cap enviro that’s going to pay you a thing to take on a 9M x 7 year </div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sabres923</b></div><div>They don’t need to trade skinner no team will take him on. He will bounce back. He was extremely unlucky last season.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Apinaorkesteri3000</b></div><div>Might be, should play with great linemates and on 2nd powerplay unit</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>villenash</b></div><div>There would need to be significant retention in any Skinner trade. That cap hit for that term is just too much for how inconsistent he can be.</div></div>

I do not think we all understand just what a poor job Krueger did last season.
Sheary, Rodrigues, Okposo, Miller, Montour, Vesey, Skinner and Pilut (I am adding him because he bolted to the KHL and had ZERO pts in 13 games after registering 6 in 33 the previous year) ALL had career worse seasons.
During the season, I sometimes thought he was brought in to tank for a better draft pick, then we ended up with Quinn instead of Rossi.
What can one expect when he started the season with Sobotka then played mostly with Sheary and Rodrigues.
Put Jeff back with Jack and he will bounce back.
Yes he is over paid if he only gets 30 goals, if he and Jack can find their chemistry again, he is paid correctly at 40 goals.
Forum: Armchair-GM23 nov à 9 h 53
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jdfitz77</b></div><div>I could see a scenario where both Lazar AND Reider are in the lineup, and Tage could get sent down
Idk why (seemingly) everyone is acting like Thompson is a “lock” to make the team
He’s looked terrible with the Sabres since we traded for him,
had a few good games in the AHL,
and then got hurt

He might very well make the team,
but he’s by no means a “sure thing” to do so</div></div>

I understand your point of view.
IMHO this is why I would have Thompson over Rieder:
Thompson is 6'6" 215 lb, Rieder is 5'11" 186 lb. Big players take longer to develop.
Thompson turned 23 yo last month Rieder will be 28 in 6 weeks.
Thompson had great prospect challenge in 2019, outstanding playoffs for Rochester in 2019 and in his other 24 Rochester games he has 12 goals and 21 pts.
Rieder is what he is, Thompson will still grow and I think he is a late bloomer.
Let me add one more, Rieder had ZERO goals playing 67 games for Edmonton in the 2018-19 season.
Thompson had 7 goals that season as a 21 yo and was instantly labeled a bust.
What is Rieder if he had ZERO goals.

I value your opinion and do not want to get into a food fight over this, let's agree to disagree until the end of the season.

BTW, let's be happy that Buffalo has the challenge of finding playing time for Eichel, Hall, Skinner, Staal, Reinhart, Cozens and Olofsson.
There could also easily be up to six options for the third line.
Okposo, Ruotsalainen. Thompson, Mittelstadt, Cozens, Girgensons.
As you also pointed out there a many viable options for the fourth line as well.
Lazar, Rieder, Eakin, Asplund, as well as Okposo, ang Girgensons.

Before you look at my line up, let me add that only Eichel, Olofsson and Reinhart had more pt/60 min than Okposo did last year.
So here it is:
Skinner Eichel Okposo we need to reunite Jack and Jeff. I think Okposo could provide the same qualities as Sam did last year.
Hall Staal Cozens give Dylan two good playmakers who have tons of NHL experience to Sheppard him through his freshman year.
Olofsson Mittelstadt Reinhart the line could also be centered by Ruotsalainen. This also gives Sam the chance to show he can drive his own line.
Girgensons Eakin Thompson
Ruotsalainen and Lazar in the press box.
Rieder and Asplund in Rochester.
We can shuffle the defense as there are many solid combinations if Montour can play the left side as he did last year.
Maybe Pilut will come back and play LHD for the Sabres.

IDK about GK.
Ullmark has some very good statistics.
He had the highest SV% on shots over 31' 0.984
He had the 6th best EV SV% of all GK who played in at least 30 games 0.926.
If Buffalo can solve the PK, and force long shots, who knows.

EDIT: That is my rant of the day.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 nov à 10 h 17
Sujet: No hall
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HabsFan77</b></div><div>why does he suck??? Does he only think about offense or something or is a puckhog or what??</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sabres923</b></div><div>His offense is fine. His defense is pretty bad due to a low hockey IQ. Hes great in 3v3 overtime though.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>all tools no toolbox ...same thing with nurse + Matheson. Very few defenseman are talented enough to have a positive impact with low IQ.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>habsfan00</b></div><div>Ristolinen is actually a pretty damn good defenseman. hes just more of a ofencivly minded one</div></div>

IDK why people "think" he sucks.
Too many people read and not watch.
He makes errors but all defensemen make mistakes, did anyone watch Brad May score on Ray Bourque?
At least four HC played him more than any other defenseman.
While one could argue when he first came to the NHL he was the ONLY NHL defenseman on the team.
That is not the case any more, Dahlin, Montour, are both top pairing defensemen and Miller, McCabe and Jokiharju are very solid.
Because the team has more defenseman depth, his ice time has been dramatically reduced.
He still plays against the other teams best lines, but his +/- was reduce from -41 last year to just -2 this past year.
He hits, plays in every situation, scores pts and seems to enjoy his role.
Let me add, big players take longer to develop, look at Chara's +/- early in his career.
He was rushed into the NHL.
He has flaws but over all he brings a lot to the game.
I would only trade him unless the return is remarkable.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 nov à 9 h 31
Forum: Armchair-GM21 nov à 18 h 35
Sujet: Sabres
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>I don’t know who everyone is, but i haven’t said montour is bad. Who has? I said he has some red flags.

Don’t pretend that you’ve seen vaakanainen play. You called him a shut down d man not long ago.

I can take a pretty educated guess at what happened here. You didn’t know of a guy. You looked him up. You saw his AHL stats. You saw that he wasn’t an NHL regular, and decided that was enough to cap his career potential.

Imagine if GMs did that with montour. When he was vaakanainen’s age he was at UMass wasn’t he? You probably would have traded him for a 5th.</div></div>

You did not, as matter of fact you said he was solid.
You and I differ regarding the value of Vaakanainen.
While you have actually watched him live, I can only refer to the reports.
I probably give too much credit to <a href="" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"></a>
This site does not give him a very high rating so I gave him a C+.
Obviously if you value him higher than that, I completely understand why you would not want to make the trade
"This is a bad trade for both value and need."
So while I think it is fair you do not.
Let's agree that we do not have a deal.

I committed a huge error today, I should know better.
I think my comment supported the trade.
Did you notice, I was attacked by Shibbal18 which would actually make your position even stronger.
I will never make a comment on one of his teams nor one of his posts again.
I will not make this mistake again.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 nov à 13 h 23
Sujet: Sabres
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>I agree with most of this except for blaming Krueger. Rodrigues, Sheary, Vesey, Okposo are not good.
Rodrigues and Sheary were both moved and were just as bad or worse. Vesey played with Eichel and did nothing.
Okposo had 30 points and was on the sabres 2nd best line.
Miller was benched so they could shop Scandella and Bogosian, both who Botterill waited way to long to move and got nothing in return,
Montour was in the top 2 pairs, his offensive numbers were stymied by a pathetic offense.
Pilut was another Botterill blunder, similar to Miller, Krueger isnt to blame there. Hutton had health issues and couldnt see the puck.</div></div>

While you are correct the team had an too many RHD, please remember at the beginning of the season, Gilmour was in the press box due to injuries.
So at the beginning of the season they actually did not have enough NHL quality defensemen
Quite simply, Krueger had a better team than Housley and did no better, in fact worse.

You and others blame Botterill for how Krueger handled the team.
I guess it was Botterill:
who caused Pilut to score no points and be minus 4 in 13 games.
that Rodrigues and Sheary performed much better under Housley.
While Vesey played with Jack, the CF% was 55.56 with out Jimmy, Jack's CF% was 49.91. I would say, Jimmy did very well with Jack.
That was still Okposo worse season of his career, even the season while he was recovering from a concussion was better.
You say Okposo was not good, well only Olofsson, Reinhart and Eichel had more pts/min than he.
If that is not proof that he should have been on the second line at least with Skinner and Johansson,
or move Reinhart to the second line and Okposo to the top line, to balance the scoring.
There was no excuse to play Skinner with Sobotka and not with Jack.

Botterill's biggest mistake was hiring Krueger.
After adding Vesey who should have been a 17 goal performer, Miller, yes his poor performance was partially due to circumstance, but was still terrible, Jokiharju, solid performer and Johansson who had a decent season, the team did terrible even with the added talent.

Let me close, ANY coach that let's the GM tell him how to run the team should be fired.
The coach tells the GM what sort of player he wants and the GM gets them.
Then the coach puts together a team, Sobotka on the second line, really?
Regardless, the team had more talent in 2019-20 than 2018-19 and could not get into the preliminaries.

Let's agree to disagree, because you will not ever convince me nor I you..
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Seems to be in general a polite conversation, we need to remember we all casual observers and tend to over rate our own players and prospects.
Let's start that it is unlikely the Bruins would make this trade as was pointed out they need LHD more than RHD.
Let me share some fun facts.
Last year Montour was the Sabres best defenseman by far.
While that was only a 20 game sample it does reflect his talent.
This year:
only Ristolainen had a higher TOI than he.
he had the highest +/- of all skaters
only Scandella had a higher PDO than he.

But many good observations regarding his apparent drop in production this year.
Krueger miss used many players on this team.
Rodrigues, Sheary, Miller, Montour, Vesey, Okposo and Montour (and Hutton) all had career worse seasons.
I could add Pilut to the list but this was only his second season in the NHL, then he bolted to the KHL.

Montour is a solid puck moving defenseman who excels at bringing the puck out of his own zone.
In Anaheim most of ZS were in the defensive zone, in Buffalo Krueger had him start mainly in the OZ.
Just one of many ways Krueger miss used players.

He was traded to Buffalo for a late 1st round pick 29th and a prospect probably better than Vaakanainen.
I do not see this as being too much for Montour now.

But if you all want to say Boston does not need a RHD that is fine.
Please do not fool yourselves into thinking he is not worth a late second and a C+ prospect.
He just not worth that to Boston.
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