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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 13 heures
Sujet: More Deals
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Maybe but idk, a 3rd seems about right for Miller</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan</b></div><div>Nah don't think that's fair tho. 3rd's a complete throw-away.</div></div>

Several reasons not to trade Miller for a 3rd.
Miller is worth more than a third to Buffalo.
For a mere $1,875,000 of cap hit you are replacing him with Benn.
The entire hockey world thought Botterill made a great deal to get him for only STB 2021 2nd round pick.
At 33 Benn has a ceiling of 5 goals and 17 pts, at 27 Miller has a ceiling of 10 goals and 41 pts.
Miller's value was greatly reduced playing for Krueger (along with Rodrigues, Sheary, Okposo, Vesey, Montour, Hutton and of course Skinner. All had historic worse seasons under Krueger).
Finally, and most importantly, Dahlin seemed to play better when paired with Miller.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 3:24 pm
Sujet: Internal Cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tjm220</b></div><div>Buffalo is not trading for Raanta, they will probably ride with Hutton and Ullmark for the year. Which is fine because that Ottawa trade is terrible. You want to give away Kahun just to get rid of Hutton. You’re also just giving away Miller, the only trade I like is the Anaheim one.</div></div>
I agree 100% see below.
Keep the Anaheim trade scrap the rest.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RyanMarte</b></div><div>Kind of hard to keep Miller if you have a 70 Million cap.</div></div>

I like your line up, very solid top two lines if Anaheim would accept.
On the other hand, other than the Ducks trade, the other ones are not needed to make the cap.

Miller $3,875,000
Kahun $2,575,000
Hutton $2,750,000
$9,200,000
v
Raanta, $4,250,000
Borgen $864,166
Beaulieu $1,250,000
$ 6,364,166

Cut Olofsson (one good year does not translate to $5KK over 5) and Montour (QO is about correct) to about $3,500,000 each provides $2,000,000 space to keep Kahun, Miller and Hutton.
I love Raanta but not at the price of Kahun.
Miller is worth much more than a 3rd and a 5th, but I presume you were trying to make cap space and gave him away.
If Buffalo had any other head coach, Kahun would easily put up 40 to 50 pts next year.
Krueger cost Montour, Sheary, Rodrigues, Vesey at least $1,000,000 each per year because they all had career worse season under Ralph.
Miller, Skinner, Okposo and Hutton also had epic bad years playing for Krueger.

This is my rant of the day.
Stay tuned tomorrow for my next one.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:08 am
Sujet: Hanifin
<a href="/users/dzmets" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@dzmets</a>
<a href="/users/Lenny54" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Lenny54</a>
<a href="/users/Marino4Norris" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Marino4Norris</a>

Go to <a href="https://public.tableau.com/views/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR?:embed=y&amp;:display_count=y&amp;:showVizHome=no#3" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://public.tableau.com/views/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR?:embed=y&amp;:display_count=y&amp;:showVizHome=no#3</a>
Compare Hanifin and Montour last year before Krueger messed with Montour.
Hanifin is obviously better but not off the chart better.

Buffalo takes on a lot of cap (Kim will not like that, she will have to give up going to the hair dresser next week)
Montour's QA is $3,525,000
Ryan and Hanifin are paid $3,125,000 and $4,950,000 respectively for a total of $8,075,000
Calgary could save $4,550,000 next year.
That may be a sufficient incentive for Treliving to make this trade.

As a side note, Ryan was one of Jeff's centers when Jeff had 37 goals in 2016-'17.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 3:24 pm
Sujet: 2021 BUF trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yanp007</b></div><div>Mete: reliable and young 3rd pairing def
Domi: 5 season 251pts, 375GP, 0.67 pt/game, 25YO
2nd round pick et 4th round pick
Reinhart: 5 season 254 pts, 391GP, 0.65pt/game, 24YO
It seems to me very fair</div></div>

I will not include the other Sabre respondents as they will rip me apart.
This trade weakens one position but fills 3 holes, Center, LHD and prospects

Buffalo fans are in love with Sam.
Actually Domi for Reinhart maybe close to fair.
The difference in age is actually only 8 months.
Centers are more valuable than RW.
Domi has a ceiling of 72 pts, Reinhart 67 pts.
I know Domi never had a line-mate of Eichel's talent.

In 2019-'20 Victor Mete 46.1%OZ lowest among all MTL defense 1014 PDO highest among all MTL defense
In the 2018-'19 season Mete 48.8%OZ second lowest among all MTL defense 1020 PDO highest among all MTL defense
He would be a perfect third pairing defenseman.

The second is 45th overall, giving Buffalo 3 picks in the first round and a half.
2012 Jake McCabe was taken 44th.
2011 Brandon Saad was taken 43rd.
2010 Tyler Toffoli was taken 47th.

2020 4th (ANA) is nearly a third 97th over all.

I would hate to trade away Sam but if I knew this offer was made to Kevyn Adams, I would want him fired for rejecting it.

Well that is my rant of the day.
Stay tuned tomorrow for my next rant.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 6:21 pm
Sujet: This is what could have been for the Sabres
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hockeyconnor97</b></div><div>I would say you guys won the nylander jokiharju trade though</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>the roslovic pick was traded for kane. cant have both. Armia was traded for kane too, bogosian came back in that trade too
ennis was traded for scandella, cant have both
jokiharju &gt; nylander</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>Out side of R'OR really isn't that impactful...</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Skyraider112</b></div><div>Also Lehner wouldn't have played here if we kept the pick that turned into Colin White
You also forget the part where we don't mess around with Moulson and Halak and just kept our good assets like Pommer and Miller</div></div>

I agree with the premise, but you all make good points as well.
Just take Murray out of the picture, draft a little better and see what develops instead of rushing the rebuild.
Just give me Zadorov, Myers, Armia, Compher, McNaab multiple first round picks, multiple second round picks traded away by DATM.
Better drafting Draisaitl over Reinhart and Sergachev over Nylander (I know we do not have Jokiharju then) I would most likely also not have Dahlin.
But with better drafting maybe we get Sebastian Aho with the 2016 2nd round pick
I could keep Skinner, Miller, Jokiharju (or Sergachev as I have in my line up), Montour and Kahun as they were all acquired with easily imagined assets.

Skinner Eichel Armia
Olofsson Draisaitl Roslovic
Kahun Girgensons White (neither Ennis nor Foligno would have been traded)
Foligno Larsson Compher
Lazar, Ennis

McCabe Ristolainen
Sergachev Montour
McNaab Myers
Miller

BTW did any one listen to the O'Reilly last interview?
How he gave up from the get go and was looking forward to playing in Europe?
Just curious did any one watch how hard he played for St Louis this year.
Please remind me how often we got to the playoffs with him as our #2 center.
Please remind me how many awards he earned because he played so well for Buffalo.

That is my rant of the day.
watch for my rant tomorrow.

Off the topic, but Adams pulled a rabbit out of the hat.
Staal is a legitimate 2A/1B center.
Great trade.
Erik centered for Jeff when Skinner had 33 goals for Carolina.
Great trade, my hats off to Kevyn.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 10:02 am
Sujet: Someone Always Gets Mad
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jexus</b></div><div>I didnt say this package was good. Someone said it started with Meier, Hertl and 3 firsts. That is a bogus statement. No single trade in this league is getting that return in todays league. Facts. Particularly when the player youre acquiring has never played in the playoffs, never led the league In any category, never won any major trophy. Again, facts.</div></div>

I hope I came across as this, but I try to find positives in every trade.
That is why I first dissected your trade, than made a counter offer.
But I agree with you, this is all for fun.
Too many people choose to insult instead of offering a critique.
I also recognize that when a trade is made, no one wants to gut a team.
I thought your trade was close and offered an alternative that I thought would fit the Sabres a better but still be about the same value as yours.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 2:28 pm
Sujet: Someone Always Gets Mad
<a href="/users/JumboFett" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@JumboFett</a>

Couture yup would be Buffalo's top line center good piece,
Merkley, Ryan great D prospect
Sörensen, Marcus LW Buffalo does not need
2020 1st round pick (TBL) Really and early 2nd, but it is a first.
2020 2nd round pick (SJS) only three picks behind the TBL so I guess one could say it is a very late first.
2021 1st round pick (SJS) Who knows where this pick will be, could be top 5 as was this years.
2022 2nd round pick (SJS) Same, who knows.

My counter offer:
Couture
Merkley
Labanc
Ferraro
2020 1st round pick (TBL)
2020 2nd round pick (SJS)
2020 2nd round pick (COL)
2021 2nd round pick (SJS)
Buffalo gets a top line Center, four second round picks (I know one is the 31st OA this year), a 2nd line RW (4 Sabre LW had more goals than Sörensen), young LHD and a top defenseman prospect.
This trade does not cripple the Sharks, they get a younger center and they get to keep their first round pick for next year.
This fills 3 holes for the Sabres. RW, LHD, prospects.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 1:21 pm
Sujet: Dont Tuch Me
<a href="/users/DongLord23" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@DongLord23</a>
<a href="/users/JumboFett" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@JumboFett</a>
<a href="/users/GMs" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@GMs</a>
<a href="/users/Tjm220" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Tjm220</a>
<a href="/users/F50marco" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@F50marco</a>

Random thoughts.
Buffalo could use 2b/3a center
Buffalo could use a #3 LHD
Kim would most likely object to adding $8,200,000 to the cap next year.
If Stastny could do as well next year as this year, he could return a 2nd at the TDL and maybe more.
Athanasiou was traded to Edmonton Oilers for Sam Gagner, round 2 pick in the 2020 draft and round 2 pick in the 2021 draft on Feb 24, 2020.
IMO 2020 and 2021 seconds are too much for Stastny and Holden.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 11:56 am
Sujet: Dubas could do it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dcochy </b></div><div>How ?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MakeMarnerACentre</b></div><div>poor at defending and his offence doesn't necessarily make up for it. trust i love him hes from my hometown and went to my high school, but i wouldnt even consider giving up freddy for him</div></div>

Well Montour was doing something right.
Only Ristolainen had a higher TOI/gm than he.
Among all skaters only Scandella had a higher PDO than he and no one had a higher 5 on 5 SV% or +/-.
All this while playing his off wing. I would hardly call that BAD!
He is one of many players apparently did not fit into the Krueger mold as Vesey, Sheary, Rodrigues, Montour, Miller, Hutton, Okposo and lest we forget Skinner all had career worse seasons.
So while you may suggest the entire Buffalo defense is bad, only 8 teams gave up fewer 5 on 5 goals than the Sabres, they were all playoff teams and did not have a blind GK who lost 12 straight while sporting a 4.0+ GAA.
Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 8:07 pm
Sujet: Simple Fix
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Byrr</b></div><div>If the 2nd is the 1st instead, the least I'd ask for is Dermott to be moved out of the deal. Leafs fans in general are low on Dermott but hes still a 23 year old who has shown all kinds of potential. Any sort of Dermott trade on here is a loss in the long run.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>I don't think Leaf fans are "low on Dermot"....I think it's a CapFriendly fantasy. Leafs have to trade for ANY RHD in the league because they are so much better than ANY Leaf Dman apparently and Dermot is the odd man out. Dermot in the past two years has played with average to poor Dman mates. He's done OK, and just put him with a better player he just must shine.</div></div>

Go to <a href="https://public.tableau.com/views/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR?:embed=y&amp;:display_count=y&amp;:showVizHome=no#3" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://public.tableau.com/views/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR?:embed=y&amp;:display_count=y&amp;:showVizHome=no#3</a>
Compare Ekblad with Miller but look at last season 2018-'19.
Krueger does not know how to coach a hockey team with fast paced players.
He wants them all to play as Larsson and Girgensons.
Trade Miller for Kerfoot and keep Nylander and Dermott.
The Leafs will upgrade the RHD and not lose out on the offense.
Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 7:44 pm
Sujet: Make Buffalo Great Again
<a href="/users/cody_tugak" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@cody_tugak</a>
Wow, you really know the Sabres.
I have been preaching this for some time.
The defense is solid.
Four solid top line forwards, Eichel, Reinhart, Skinner and Olofsson.
Cozens, Mittelstadt, Kahun and Thompson will all be on the team next year most likely as middle 6 forwards.
That gives the Sabres 8 top 9 forwards. Pull Okposo out of the bottom line and that makes 9.
Murray set the team back 4 to 5 years.
Krueger can coach a team with 9 Larsson's but his style brings down players as Okposo, Vesey, Skinner, Sheary and Rodrigues.

<a href="/users/RoyalBlueSabres" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@RoyalBlueSabres</a>
You are correct, this team is worse and Ullmark is better than Fleury.
Maybe if the pick was going the other way.
Or if it was Hutton one for one for Fleury.
What is this Miller for Tuch trade?
Was that one of your posts?
I guess it all depends how desperate a GM will be on opening night.
Look what the Islanders gave up for Nick Leddy (Pokka, Nilsson and Brennan).
Then Leddy goes on the average 9 goals and 41 pts the next four seasons.
Leddy was traded to make cap space.

<a href="/users/SalamiCheese" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@SalamiCheese</a> is right, too much cap going to a GK who Ullmark out played last year.

Well that is my rant of the day.
Stay tuned tomorrow for my next one.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 sep à 21 h 00
Sujet: end of season line up based on Corey Pronman
<a href="/users/chloewoj" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@chloewoj</a>
<a href="/users/sabres89" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@sabres89</a>
<a href="/users/SalamiCheese" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@SalamiCheese</a>

TBH with you all, this is no surprise for me.
We obviously know about the top three Dahlin, Cozens and Jokiharju. So no surprises here.
I have been saying for months that Mittelstadt and Thompson would be contributors next year.
I have watched Tage in the prospect challenge and noted his performance in Rochester.
I do not have any visual record of Casey, but if you compare his progress to that of Cirelli the resemblance is interesting.
I am not pronouncing Casey and Tage as top line players, but certainly middle 6.
Neither of them should have played a game for Buffalo in 2017-'18.
When I made that comment two seasons ago I was roasted in by other AGM.
Casey has talent while I do not know if he has bulked up, but if he has, then he will also be a mid six forward.
I have also heard good things about the defensemen, but as the ranking indicates they will not be top pairing defensemen but NHL players.
Does that mean Mike Weber?
I have heard that comment made about all of the Sabre prospects not named Cozens.

So, this article is not a great revelation to me.
Let's enjoy this ranking and hope everything is valid.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 sep à 19 h 06
Sujet: DALLAS STARS
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>willdog37</b></div><div>Buffalo has Ullmark they're not looking for a starter.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny54</b></div><div>ring ring...goodbye</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SalamiCheese</b></div><div>Buffalo declines</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Taxtime</b></div><div>Wow. This is one of the worst trades I've seen on here in a while. Just shameful. Have the 2nd going the other way and it's still an easy no with no counter offer made.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lsendel3</b></div><div>Yeah why is a 2nd going to Dallas? A first line winger for a goalie who couldn't keep his spot. Just bad.</div></div>

Now you know why my head exploded when DATM gave up a first for Ottawa's third GK and a cap dump.
I know Lehner looks awesome right now, but he was behind Anderson and Hammond in Ottawa's depth chart at the time of the trade.

BTW does any know why Lehner was traded twice at the TDL for Dzierkals then a fifth.
He has better credentials now then when Buffalo traded for him and gave up a first.
I would have presume he would at least fetch a second, if not a first as he is much more valuable now than when Buffalo got him.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 sep à 18 h 28
Sujet: Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ErikJohannsen</b></div><div>Haha ok buddy. Buffalo was just a dumpster fire in terms of PK and Faceoffs which are the two things that Beagle provides so it could literally be any other team that needs those qualities, at a relatively cheap cost, for a 7th round pick.</div></div>
I agree. I have been watching the Beagle trades for some time.
This is by far the most favorable for the Sabres.
If they could have killed one more penalty in any number of games, they would have been in the preliminaries.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sabres923</b></div><div>It’s Krueger’s system. They had good players on the PK Girgenson, Larson,Lazar,Vesey. I do agree they need to improve on the Face-off circle.</div></div>

Or lack of a system.
You probably have read my rant about Krueger many times as I am disgusted with him.
He was Botterill's biggest mistake.
Eight players all had career worse seasons Miller, Montour, Vesey, Sheary, Rodrigues, Hutton, Okposo and of course Skinner.
Coaches are suppose to make the players better not bring out the worse in them.
Imagine adding Miller, Jokiharju, Johansson, Vesey and Montour for an entire season and having the team perform worse than the previous year.
You make a great point about Sobotka winning face offs, but why have him on the same line as Skinner?
Put Sobotka with Larsson and Girgensons instead of Okposo.

BTW
Have you watched the playoffs?
Have you noticed the difference with their PK and the Sabres?
We need a new PK and PP coach.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 sep à 18 h 06
Sujet: Sabres Cut their Cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chigurrhh</b></div><div>Please don't cite plus minus like this and expect people to take it seriously.</div></div>

When compared to other players on the same team it is significant.
When a player has the BEST +/- it is meaningful.
Even at that you ignored the other data that I gave to you.
I am sure you did not go to <a href="https://public.tableau.com/views/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR?:embed=y&amp;:display_count=y&amp;:showVizHome=no#3" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://public.tableau.com/views/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR?:embed=y&amp;:display_count=y&amp;:showVizHome=no#3</a>
to verify that I am correct that he is much better than Staal and Boychuk.
You give me a "smug" answer which means nothing.
I give you facts, tables and websites.
+/- is meaningful when compared to team mates not from team to team.
Grow up and present real evidence to refute an argument.

Let me add.
The site that you and I posted gives higher grades when a player is on a good team.
Montour has been on poor teams while Staal and Boychuk are on playoff teams.
So there comparisons which are worse than Montour, he suffers even more as he plays for the Sabres not a play off team.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 sep à 18 h 00
Sujet: New York Rangers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Taxtime</b></div><div>Sabres should reject but these days who knows what they're going to do. Probably not as far off as people think. Maybe add a midround pick.</div></div>
Yup, see below.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lsendel3</b></div><div>I thought the same thing. Maybe our own 3rd back.</div></div>
Yup, see below.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sagecoll</b></div><div>Can't think of a team that needs a RHD less than the NYR and Montour has been one of the worst in the league for the last couple seasons.</div></div>
That is simply not true, see below.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tjm220</b></div><div>Mostly because he’s been forced to play LD. Try him on his natural side.</div></div>
Absolutely, his stats were significantly better last year.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sagecoll</b></div><div>....when we say couple seasons we mean his time in Anaheim too when he was on his natural side opposite Lindholm lol.

at the moment his on-ice value over the past 2 seasons (about half of which was spent not in Buffalo) has been about equal to guys like Marc Staal, Johnny Boychuk and Roman Polak.

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IDK about that comparison with Staal and Boychuk because if you go to <a href="https://public.tableau.com/views/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR?:embed=y&amp;:display_count=y&amp;:showVizHome=no#3" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://public.tableau.com/views/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR?:embed=y&amp;:display_count=y&amp;:showVizHome=no#3</a>
Montour is head and shoulders better than they, especially if you compare last year against them.
This I know and it is easily verifiable:
Montour had the best +/-, 5 on 5 SV% and second best PDO of all Sabre skaters.
Only Ristolainen had more TOI/gm than Montour (yup Dahlin ranked third)
Buffalo's defense gave up fewer 5 on 5 goals than all but 8 teams, all of them playoffs.
This with definitely sub par GK.
His stats with Sabres suffered terribly playing for Krueger as did Miller, Okposo, Vesey, Hutton, Sheary, Rodrigues and of course Skinner.
All had career worse years under Krueger.
Montour is NOT bad, and he is a top 4 defenseman.
I guess if Pegula said cut the cap, GM Kim may make this trade.
Oops, Kim will pull the strings on puppet Kevyn "sycophant" Adams and the trade may be made.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 sep à 16 h 28
Sujet: Sabres Cut their Cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chigurrhh</b></div><div>McCann&gt;Montour. Montour is bad.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sabres923</b></div><div>Don’t re-sign Girgenson fill him with Asplund or Lazar. No need to buy out Miller in my opinion.</div></div>
Why would any one propose to buy out Miller? He is a solid RHD and I am sure contrubuted to the Sabres defense giving up only 136 5 on 5 goals.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dan10900</b></div><div>I wouldn't give Ryan Nikolayev or a 2nd for Risto, and I wouldn't give McCann or a 2nd for Montour</div></div>

To Chigurrhh and Dan10900
As a forward playing for teams that score goals in bunches, McCann has 98 points over the last 3 seasons while Montour playing defense has 85.
Montour had the best +/-, 5 on 5 SV% and second best PDO of all Sabre skaters.
Only Ristolainen had more TOI/gm than Montour (yup Dahlin ranked third)
Buffalo's defense gave up fewer 5 on 5 goals than all but 8 teams, all of them playoffs and none of them were Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh ranked 11th and had two time Stanley cup winner Murray and up and coming Jarry in net while Buffalo had a blind Hutton and young Ullmark.
Let me add only Marino had a better +/- and no one had a higher PDO or 5 on 5 SV% than Montour among ALL Penguin defensemen.
Montour is NOT bad, and he as a top 4 defenseman is more valuable than a third line center whose pts were inflated while getting twice as much PP ice time as Montour.

If you would like to provide YOUR facts to support your position why Montour is "bad" I would love to see them.
But I have given you very strong evidence that he is not "bad" and why he is more valuable than McCann.

I will not even discuss the merits of Ristolainen as I know you will dismiss what I say about Montour.
I can only say Ristolainen plays against the toughest competition, KP, PP, hits, most TOI/gm, scores pts and has been doing this for at least 4 different head coaches.
I can only presume they know more than you as they see him every day, you see him maybe 4 games a year.
He is better than Montour, and next year he will be even better.
That may not be enough for him as Chiarelli wanted him and was willing to give up Hall to get him.
Do you think that package will get Hall, most likely not.

This is my rant of the day.
Stay tuned tomorrow for my next one.