Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Now What? - CapFriendly

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Quoting: Nathaniel

Correction: If you want a guy to trade one of your young players for an equally good but older player, he's your guy. Huberdeau for Tkachuk, at the time, was seen as a wash. The big difference was Weegar. That was a weird trade and it has blown up in Calgary's face. I'd much rather promote from within or go for Tulsky

I got a feeling both guys gonna rebound with a new coach. You could tell Sutter had 0 idea how to work with guys like that. Hopefully with a new coach both rebound as we know Huberdeau was better than that.

19 mai 2023 à 13 h 29

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Maybe the offer had conditions to it? Like a major shakeup and Kyle didn't want to do that. Obviously without more information, speculation is the only thing anyone has right now.

I don't know how you guys feel about this team but MatthewsFan is right that there's just too many of the same type of player on this roster in Matthews, Marner and Nylander. A different type of player needs to be brought in and I'm not sure trading Willy accomplishes that.

With Dubas being out now, it's going to be tricky for any guy from outside the organization to come in and make these changes.

I am just afraid that anyone not named Brandon Pridham could clean house. It's hard to envision Matthews resigning under a new GM with no ties to the organization already. And if that happens, just blow it up.

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19 mai 2023 à 13 h 29

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Quoting: aadoyle

Lindholm + Hanafin trade ring any bells.

Also look at the draft record pretty good

Bennett, Mangiapane, Andersson, Tkachuck, Dube, Fox (traded but still good), Zary, Pellitar, Wolf (nuff said)

The only ? for him was FA signings but when we looked at Dubas at his start contracts were also an issue

The same trade where he sent off Hamilton and Fox?

Remember at the last TDL when he did nothing? He added Ritchie, Hunt, and Stetcher. He gave up a first to dump 1 year of Monahan. At best, Treliving is a lateral move. We need someone that is miles better than Dubas to justify letting him go

19 mai 2023 à 13 h 30

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Quoting: oneX

Maybe the offer had conditions to it? Like a major shakeup and Kyle didn't want to do that. Obviously without more information, speculation is the only thing anyone has right now.

I don't know how you guys feel about this team but MatthewsFan is right that there's just too many of the same type of player on this roster in Matthews, Marner and Nylander. A different type of player needs to be brought in and I'm not sure trading Willy accomplishes that.

With Dubas being out now, it's going to be tricky for any guy from outside the organization to come in and make these changes.

I dont think it had anything I honestly think Dubas was burned out so they gave him a deadline. He didnt agree so they let him go thats my best guess

As they need to start things before July 1 when the M-NTC and NTC kick in. If they want to make moves nows the time. Next week will probs be interviews and then they will probs have someone beginning of June and from there real fun begins.

19 mai 2023 à 13 h 33

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Quoting: Nathaniel

The same trade where he sent off Hamilton and Fox?

Remember at the last TDL when he did nothing? He added Ritchie, Hunt, and Stetcher. He gave up a first to dump 1 year of Monahan. At best, Treliving is a lateral move. We need someone that is miles better than Dubas to justify letting him go

I got a feeling ownership was not letting him do anything beyond that. You could see Treliving was not happy. If I was him I would have quit sooner lul.

As this was a guy who would have probs made another Toffoli like trade given the chance. As that was a good trade but Murray Edwards seems to be the next Aquillini. interfering to much. Honestly surprised he let Sutter go as he seemed to love the guy

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19 mai 2023 à 13 h 35

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Well it finally happened, Dubas is gone. Obviously Keefe will be next when a new GM is hired. I’m not sure how to feel about it to be honest. I really do think Dubas was a good GM. But at the same time major change is needed and maybe starting from the top the the best idea. Obviously it also depends on who the new GM is. Pridhams probably my guess, but who knows. I honestly wouldn’t mind having it be Brad Treliving. Just as long as it’s not someone like Charelli lol

19 mai 2023 à 13 h 41

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Well it finally happened, Dubas is gone. Obviously Keefe will be next when a new GM is hired. I’m not sure how to feel about it to be honest. I really do think Dubas was a good GM. But at the same time major change is needed and maybe starting from the top the the best idea. Obviously it also depends on who the new GM is. Pridhams probably my guess, but who knows. I honestly wouldn’t mind having it be Brad Treliving. Just as long as it’s not someone like Charelli lol

Eric Tuslsky be my #1 pick as that man is he backbone of the Canes org and I got a feeling MLSE can easily steal him away

Treliving would also be fine along with promoting Pridham.

Bergevin, Chirelli, no thank u

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19 mai 2023 à 13 h 42

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Quoting: aadoyle

Lindholm + Hanafin trade ring any bells. We want a bold move for the big 4 thats a pretty good comparable

Also look at the draft record pretty good

Bennett, Mangiapane, Andersson, Tkachuck, Dube, Fox (traded but still good), Zary, Pellitar, Wolf (nuff said)

The only ? for him was FA signings but when we looked at Dubas at his start contracts were also an issue especially RFA's

You are really downplaying how bad of a GM he was including getting hosed in one of the largest trades in decades and having 2 stars force their way out.
Hey look, our stars contracts are all up soon...

He'd be horrible

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19 mai 2023 à 13 h 43

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Remember when the Blue Jays traded one of their best hitters in Teoscar Hernandez to address their pitching? The team already had Guerrero and Bichette. Almost wonder if the Leafs do something similar

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Quoting: Random2152

You are really downplaying how bad of a GM he was including getting hosed in one of the largest trades in decades and having 2 stars force their way out.
Hey look, our stars contracts are all up soon...

He'd be horrible

Instead of extending Tkachuk, he traded the guy they knew for some other dude and then extended HIM FOR MORE THAN THE GUY THEY ALREADY HAD. No thanks on Treliving.

19 mai 2023 à 13 h 52

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Instead of extending Tkachuk, he traded the guy they knew for some other dude and then extended HIM FOR MORE THAN THE GUY THEY ALREADY HAD. No thanks on Treliving.

U do realize Tkachuck wanted out right he demanded a trade. If Treliving didnt move him the return would have potentially been worse as we would have saw him skating around like PLD did with CBJ

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19 mai 2023 à 13 h 56

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Just to pile on with the Trevliving hate

This did change with Pelletier playing late

A wild stat, the Calgary Flames are the ONLY NHL team that hasn't had ANY players drafted since 2018, play in the NHL. 😶A few on this list will absolutely get there, but still crazy nonetheless. Full credit to @miketgould. pic.twitter.com/JM5zvNwWiK
— Nathan "Grav" (@NathanGraviteh) November 28, 2022

His notable picks, Bennett (over Nylander Ehlers), Anderson Kyington, Tkachuk, Dube, Fox, Pelletier, Wolf, Poirier, Coronato,

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19 mai 2023 à 13 h 58

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Dreger on TSN: “I find it hard to believe that the Maple Leafs will go back to another first time General Manager”.
— NHL Watcher (@NHL_Watcher) May 19, 2023

So that takes away many candidates

Tulsky
Pridham
etc

But then again this is just a guy going "I think"

MLSE has surprised us before. Tulsky has already been working as a GM (not in name) in Carolina for almost 3 years. Could be perfect but if they are going for experience probs Treliving as nobody better out there rn

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19 mai 2023 à 14 h 16

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From various sources, in round #s I'm told Kyle Dubas demanded ~ between 6-7m for 5 yrs & total autonomy. That's Shanahan $ btw. Leafs offer was somewhere around $4m per year with the use of the jet to ease travel etc. Not clear on power. When KD didn't budge they walked.
— jonah (@yyzsportsmedia) May 19, 2023

If this IS what it came down too, man

19 mai 2023 à 14 h 26

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Quoting: aadoyle

U do realize Tkachuck wanted out right he demanded a trade. If Treliving didnt move him the return would have potentially been worse as we would have saw him skating around like PLD did with CBJ

Treliving also refused to sign him long term off of his ELC

19 mai 2023 à 15 h 10

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https://twitter.com/mikeystephens81/status/1659637512090923012?s=20

Wtf happened?

19 mai 2023 à 15 h 10

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As far as I know, there is no trade freeze during the playoffs. Or is there one for the teams still remaining?
If I remember right, there are no real trades until after the Cup is awarded.
I wonder if Shannahan would do the dirty work of trading one of the stars himself before brining in a new GM. If he is not wedded to the Top 4 that is.

19 mai 2023 à 15 h 14

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Brendan Shanahan admits that there was a shift in his thinking after watching Kyle Dubas’s media conference last Monday. Prior to that, the two were working on an extension.
— Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) May 19, 2023

This franchise just keeps finding new ways to kick us in the balls. This press conference is saddening

19 mai 2023 à 15 h 15

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Shanny said negotiations with Dubas and his agent were cordial, he was ready with basics of a new offer after the season. But he detected “a shift” after Monday and that he might not want to be GM.
— Lance Hornby 🇺🇦 (@sunhornby) May 19, 2023

WHAT DO YOU MEAN?!?!?!?!?

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19 mai 2023 à 15 h 17

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Quoting: Nathaniel

Shanny said negotiations with Dubas and his agent were cordial, he was ready with basics of a new offer after the season. But he detected “a shift” after Monday and that he might not want to be GM.
— Lance Hornby 🇺🇦 (@sunhornby) May 19, 2023

WHAT DO YOU MEAN?!?!?!?!?

How do we go from a deal to “felt differently” after an email while driving home 🤦‍♂️

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19 mai 2023 à 15 h 21

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So let me get this straight:

The org had planned on Dubas returning, and now, just weeks before the most crucial offseason in years, the Leafs turn on a dime and fire Dubas because he wanted more money?? They literally just changed the entire trajectory of this franchise over salary. We haven't even began looking for new GMs and have no clear plan. Again, the draft and Free Agency are just over a month away.

I can't believe this franchise man...

19 mai 2023 à 15 h 22

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Brendan Shanahan says he'll lean heavily on assistant GM Brandon Pridham in handling this transition period.
— Chris Johnston (@reporterchris) May 19, 2023

At this point, just promote the guy.

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19 mai 2023 à 15 h 25

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I want you to imagine a scenario:

The Leafs are on a winning streak. Matthews is playing great, but then the Leafs lose a game 5 - 0. In his post game interview, Matthews says "I didn't have the best game"

Then Shannahan trades him. That's what just happened to Kyle Dubas... This team is such a joke, this decision better not blow up in our faces. I was hoping Shanny had some sort of plan, and not just some kind of gut feeling after a few personal remarks at a presser, but I guess that's too much to ask for

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Quoting: Nathaniel

So let me get this straight:

The org had planned on Dubas returning, and now, just weeks before the most crucial offseason in years, the Leafs turn on a dime and fire Dubas because he wanted more money?? They literally just changed the entire trajectory of this franchise over salary. We haven't even began looking for new GMs and have no clear plan. Again, the draft and Free Agency are just over a month away.

I can't believe this franchise man...

Shanahan saying it wasn't only about the money Monday's presser from Dubas was a turning point pic.twitter.com/a0uCDQ79uD
— Omar (@TicTacTOmar) May 19, 2023

Great, so it's not even money. We just changed the course of our franchise one some kind of mystical whim. Awesome

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