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Créé par: ChiHawk
Équipe: 2022-23 Blackhawks de Chicago
Date de création initiale: 15 janv. 2023
Publié: 15 janv. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Kane goes to the Rangers if anywhere. Either KK or Alexis 1 for 1 or Kravtsov + 2023 1st

Toews to Avs, Jets or Oilers. Compher to move cap, Kaut isn't worth much

Domi to Toronto to fill the top 6 LW spot
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  2. Toews, Jonathan (5 250 000 $ retained)
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15 janv. 2023 à 2 h 39
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Rangers say no thanks to any Kane rental that includes Kakko, Laffy, Chytil, Schneider, Miller, Othmann or Cuylee. Kravstov is available.
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15 janv. 2023 à 2 h 48
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Kane going to NYR is like J.T Miller going to NYR. These so called "experts" they really do get things wrong most of the time.
I think maybe management want Kane in NYR to get the most out of Panarin, but just like J.T there is no realistic way to make it happen, because what Drury would offer wouldn't be enough.
Secondly, I don't think Kane will wave his NMC. He is that disappointed in management that he will not give CHI anything. Not even letting them cash in on his misery.
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15 janv. 2023 à 3 h 24
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For 2 months of domi nah

If I'm giving that I want guys with term
15 janv. 2023 à 3 h 41
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Senko is a better add than Kane imo. We need someone to score goals not set them up. Plus it’s cheaper to acquire him than Kane. So no thank you, no deal we’d made given what you’d want in return. And swapping Kakko for Kane is stupid as we’d still need a RW. That would just be pointless. And when we inevitably can’t resign him, we have no Kakko since he’s gone in your hypothetical deal above. I think another team is better for a deal like this than the Rangers. Good luck.
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15 janv. 2023 à 7 h 17
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Leafs (should) have zero interest in Domi.
15 janv. 2023 à 9 h 0
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Quoting: AG_sweden
Kane going to NYR is like J.T Miller going to NYR. These so called "experts" they really do get things wrong most of the time.
I think maybe management want Kane in NYR to get the most out of Panarin, but just like J.T there is no realistic way to make it happen, because what Drury would offer wouldn't be enough.
Secondly, I don't think Kane will wave his NMC. He is that disappointed in management that he will not give CHI anything. Not even letting them cash in on his misery.


I don't think disappointment with management plays any role in his decision. Kane understands exactly what they are trying to do. He is a total hockey nerd and understands exactly what there is to be gained by tanking this season. He may feel kind of defeated, but he gets it.

Also, and this is just speculation, but, I don't think CHI's GM is betting on Kane and Toews asking for trades or even getting massive returns for them if they do. He would certainly prefer adding the assets and oblige if they do, but he doesn't seem to be holding his breath. He just wants to have the absolute best odds at drafting Bedard.
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15 janv. 2023 à 9 h 5
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Quoting: AG_sweden
Kane going to NYR is like J.T Miller going to NYR. These so called "experts" they really do get things wrong most of the time.
I think maybe management want Kane in NYR to get the most out of Panarin, but just like J.T there is no realistic way to make it happen, because what Drury would offer wouldn't be enough.
Secondly, I don't think Kane will wave his NMC. He is that disappointed in management that he will not give CHI anything. Not even letting them cash in on his misery.


I mean, Kaner just gave an interview with Pat Boyle (Blackhawks TV Announcer) and there were parts of it that sounded like he was gone. Talking about discussions with his wife saying his family will go anywhere. They're on board. Does that mean he's going to the Rangers. No. It could mean Dallas. But I do think the Rangers are a better fit. The NYR need more playmaking ability and that's exactly what Kaner provides. I agree it won't be KK coming back for future reasons, but the Rangers have a plethora of picks prospects (Kravstov doesn't have value) to trade.
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15 janv. 2023 à 9 h 12
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I mean, Kaner just gave an interview with Pat Boyle (Blackhawks TV Announcer) and there were parts of it that sounded like he was gone. Talking about discussions with his wife saying his family will go anywhere. They're on board. Does that mean he's going to the Rangers. No. It could mean Dallas. But I do think the Rangers are a better fit. The NYR need more playmaking ability and that's exactly what Kaner provides. I agree it won't be KK coming back for future reasons, but the Rangers have a plethora of picks prospects (Kravstov doesn't have value) to trade.


With him being a fit, I strongly disagree. Panarin is struggling under Gallant, and he is younger (basically the same player)
Gallant doesn't want a small, fast offensive minded team. He want's big, defensively responsible, heavy hitting team.
So where is the fit?

If Kane is moving he has his choice of course, and if that is NYR in his mind then so be it. But it is not a great fit... It is an awful fit.
15 janv. 2023 à 9 h 15
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I don't think disappointment with management plays any role in his decision. Kane understands exactly what they are trying to do. He is a total hockey nerd and understands exactly what there is to be gained by tanking this season. He may feel kind of defeated, but he gets it.

Also, and this is just speculation, but, I don't think CHI's GM is betting on Kane and Toews asking for trades or even getting massive returns for them if they do. He would certainly prefer adding the assets and oblige if they do, but he doesn't seem to be holding his breath. He just wants to have the absolute best odds at drafting Bedard.


If Kane is moved (I would still argue he would wait to the off-season, and make a decision with his family) I think BUF is a good place for him to play is last 3 so years with a fun, dynamic team with a lot of cap space, and young players that is breaking out. I don't see BUF wasting assets bringing him on this TDL. Because that is simply the smartest thing to do.
15 janv. 2023 à 9 h 25
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With him being a fit, I strongly disagree. Panarin is struggling under Gallant, and he is younger (basically the same player)
Gallant doesn't want a small, fast offensive minded team. He want's big, defensively responsible, heavy hitting team.
So where is the fit?

If Kane is moving he has his choice of course, and if that is NYR in his mind then so be it. But it is not a great fit... It is an awful fit.


He and Panarin are not the same player. My understanding is that Gallant wants compete. He's got plenty of Trouba/Goodrow players. In fact they traded AWAY Reaves, not acquire Reaves. That action speaks louder than Gallants words.
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15 janv. 2023 à 9 h 29
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He and Panarin are not the same player. My understanding is that Gallant wants compete. He's got plenty of Trouba/Goodrow players. In fact they traded AWAY Reaves, not acquire Reaves. That action speaks louder than Gallants words.


Feel like it is up to me to pop your little bubble, NYR needs Rw that can score (not that could score), They have plenty of pass first players.
Secondly they didn't get a small offensive minded guy trading Reaves that only proves that they where getting rid of cap since he wasn't playing.
15 janv. 2023 à 9 h 37
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Feel like it is up to me to pop your little bubble, NYR needs Rw that can score (not that could score), They have plenty of pass first players.
Secondly they didn't get a small offensive minded guy trading Reaves that only proves that they where getting rid of cap since he wasn't playing.


They have Panarin and arguably Zib because he's just in general a talented player, but more of a PP scorer than playmaker. Not Trocheck, definitely not Kreider or Goodrow. Not KK or Laf YET. Are you think Blais or tbe healthy scratch Kravstov???

As far as Reaves...just goes to show that if they WANTED size and physical play...they would have kept him. They wanted cap space for NOT size physical
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15 janv. 2023 à 9 h 43
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They have Panarin and arguably Zib because he's just in general a talented player, but more of a PP scorer than playmaker. Not Trocheck, definitely not Kreider or Goodrow. Not KK or Laf YET. Are you think Blais or tbe healthy scratch Kravstov???

As far as Reaves...just goes to show that if they WANTED size and physical play...they would have kept him. They wanted cap space for NOT size physical


You are not making logical sense. NYR probably go with Tarasenko if to acquire big TDL name. He still has scoring in his game. That will hurt the cap less and will take less to acquire.
Not to mention he still haven't taken back his trade request, is friends with Panarin etc, ect.

The only reason you keep pushing this "narrative" is that you want to put your hands on NYR prospects and has zero to do with being a good fit or not...
15 janv. 2023 à 9 h 46
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You are not making logical sense. NYR probably go with Tarasenko if to acquire big TDL name. He still has scoring in his game. That will hurt the cap less and will take less to acquire.
Not to mention he still haven't taken back his trade request, is friends with Panarin etc, ect.

The only reason you keep pushing this "narrative" is that you want to put your hands on NYR prospects and has zero to do with being a good fit or not...


On posts I've created, I don't expect the NYR to give up any prospects. I understand that the NYR would likely want to keep KK and Laf for the future. It would just be picks. And we keep pushing the narrative because it has serious legs to it. Both New York media and Chicago outlets have been talking about the perfect for this would be. It's really just you that doesn't see it. And that's fine! Everyone is allowed their own opinions.
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On posts I've created, I don't expect the NYR to give up any prospects. I understand that the NYR would likely want to keep KK and Laf for the future. It would just be picks. And we keep pushing the narrative because it has serious legs to it. Both New York media and Chicago outlets have been talking about the perfect for this would be. It's really just you that doesn't see it. And that's fine! Everyone is allowed their own opinions.


The same people buzzin about J.T Miller too, and has for over a year about Kane as well. It is their job to create content to stir up discussion to increase the hockey interest to make money.
That is all I see it as. I am sorry, I do understand you, If I was a CHI fan this is what I would want to. So I hear where you are coming from.
But I only see this as Big Name and Big Market chatter to keep the money making wheel going.

But hey, lets see who is right? If I am wrong I will admit it. I promise you, I will have no problem doing that.
What would you reckon the accuracy of the legit rumors to be? 5 %, 10 % or 15 % maybe...
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The same people buzzin about J.T Miller too, and has for over a year about Kane as well. It is their job to create content to stir up discussion to increase thee hockey interest to make money.
That is all I see it as. I am sorry, I do understand you, If I was a CHI fan this is what I would want to. So I hear where you are coming from.
But I only see this as Big Name and Big Market chatter to keep the money making wheel going.

But hey, lets see who is right? If I am wrong I will admit it. I promise you, I will have no problem doing that.
What would you reckon the accuracy of the legit rumors to be? 5 %, 10 % or 15 % maybe...


Probably not even 5% of rumors are true. You're right about that for sure. AND you're right that I would love to see this move happen. I'd like to see Kaner play meaningful hockey again. Really anywhere to be honest, but I personally just think it's a really good fit with the Rangers. That's my honest opinion and understand you have a different one. All good!
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15 janv. 2023 à 10 h 3
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Probably not even 5% of rumors are true. You're right about that for sure. AND you're right that I would love to see this move happen. I'd like to see Kaner play meaningful hockey again. Really anywhere to be honest, but I personally just think it's a really good fit with the Rangers. That's my honest opinion and understand you have a different one. All good!


respect brother! smile
We are just powerless bystanders, and the game can't be predicted.
Sort of the only reason why it makes sense to watch it really.
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15 janv. 2023 à 10 h 42
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Avs aren't paying a 1st for anyone for what will likely amount to a lost season. They have to re-stock their pipeline as much as possible so 1sts should be off the table outside of them getting a young-ish C that is under affordable team control for years to come; needless to say, that's a tall order.
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15 janv. 2023 à 10 h 58
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Hope the Hawks get a better return for Laffery and Murphy than a Broberg, Foegele and Puljujarvi. Hawks have plenty of D prospects and don't need/want Broberg. Foegele is a camp dump and the Hawks should be getting something for taking on his contract. Puljujarvi may be playing in Finland next year so he adds nothing to the return.
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15 janv. 2023 à 12 h 21
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Quoting: delneggs
Rangers say no thanks to any Kane rental that includes Kakko, Laffy, Chytil, Schneider, Miller, Othmann or Cuylee. Kravstov is available.


In the description I mention Kakko or Laffy or a 1st plus Kravstov. My gut says, based on everything I've read and all the hockey I've watched, NYR is the most likely landing spot for Kane. Doesn't mean it will happen, and doesn't mean one of the 3 options I've outlined is the outcome, but they are possibilities whether fans from either side like it or not. This isn't about what I want to see or not, it's just objective based on reporting and neither your subjective opinion nor mine play a role in it.
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Secondly, I don't think Kane will wave his NMC. He is that disappointed in management that he will not give CHI anything. Not even letting them cash in on his misery.


That's a bad take. Kane and the Hawks have a very close relationship and Kane is not upset at them.
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For 2 months of domi nah

If I'm giving that I want guys with term


Toronto needs to go all-in; their clock is ticking. Ty Voit, while looking good in the OHL, is questionable as a NHL player as the OHL is a far cry from the NHL and his size (specifically 150lbs) doesn't translate to the NHL. If he's going to be a NHL player, and he's still young, he needs to put on at least 20lbs. He's a decent prospect nonetheless, but he's not a top prospect so to speak.
15 janv. 2023 à 13 h 5
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Toronto needs to go all-in; their clock is ticking. Ty Voit, while looking good in the OHL, is questionable as a NHL player as the OHL is a far cry from the NHL and his size (specifically 150lbs) doesn't translate to the NHL. If he's going to be a NHL player, and he's still young, he needs to put on at least 20lbs. He's a decent prospect nonetheless, but he's not a top prospect so to speak.


No we don't need to all in. Look at Florida they ****ed up. Toronto just has to stay the course and add guys who can help them more than a year
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No we don't need to all in. Look at Florida they ****ed up. Toronto just has to stay the course and add guys who can help them more than a year


And yet every finals contender or winner makes rental adds for good reason with success, far far more teams don't end up like Florida adding rentals...it's short sighted to ignore the value rentals add and a loser mentality to keep thinking about 2 or 3 seasons when the team is ready to compete now. Look at Chicago winning 3 cups in 7 seasons and they made moves every year. Look at Pit...same thing. Tampa, same thing.

Toronto has this season and next to make something happen and this is the best chance they've had in what...55 years?!?! A late 2nd round pick is relatively useless to them at this point (not to mention statistically only has a 18% chance of panning out) and Ty Voit is not exactly highly touted and far away from the NHL anyway...heck, forget Voit for a minute and leave it as just the 2nd round pick. Leafs need to fill a gap in their top 6 on the LW and Domi is one example how to get there.
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And yet every finals contender or winner makes rental adds for good reason with success, far far more teams don't end up like Florida adding rentals...it's short sighted to ignore the value rentals add and a loser mentality to keep thinking about 2 or 3 seasons when the team is ready to compete now. Look at Chicago winning 3 cups in 7 seasons and they made moves every year. Look at Pit...same thing. Tampa, same thing.

Toronto has this season and next to make something happen and this is the best chance they've had in what...55 years?!?! A late 2nd round pick is relatively useless to them at this point (not to mention statistically only has a 18% chance of panning out) and Ty Voit is not exactly highly touted and far away from the NHL anyway...heck, forget Voit for a minute and leave it as just the 2nd round pick. Leafs need to fill a gap in their top 6 on the LW and Domi is one example how to get there.


No they don't

Tampa it's first cup went and got guys with term. Then went and got Hagel who had term. Only rental was savard who they really didn't need but went and got.

In general writing an essay does not prove anything. Toronto does not need to go all in on rentals. Like Tampa and Avs careful calculated moves and go for guys who are rfas or with term. And for rentals get cheaper guys. Toronto needs to do the same. Pay that for a guy like Nied with Term and then for rentals go cheaper
 
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