Maybe for Demko but not with Garland in there.

“VAN could get a haul for Demko”
But then proceeds to offer a 1st, 2nd, scrap prospects and a bad goalie contract LOL XD

I don't think those two additions make NJ "instant contenders".
Jersey isn't making the playoffs this year. So even if the three prospect don't pan out, isn't Jersey better have Vanecek, the lottery first and 6.7m in cap then making that deal?

Canucks pass easily. Start with Nemec or Luke Hughes

You think you're gonna get a top 10 goalie and a top 6 forward for two mid defense prospects, a garbage goalie, and a healthy scratch? I mean the 2nd on its own barely covers Vanacek's contract, and neither of those defense prospects bring much value. The only thing worth something is the 1st, and that's barely enough for Garland, let alone Demko.

Maybe instead, try nothing. The Canucks aren't trading their elite No. 1 goalie, who's 26 and locked up for 4 years on a cheap deal, you Devils fans should know how tricky it is to find NHL caliber starters.. If they do end up rebuilding, Petey, Boeser, Podkolzin, Garland, Hughes, and Demko are all completely untouchable.

If they rebuild I'm not sure anyone will be untouchable. I guarantee you Boeser and garland are not untouchable though. Even if they don't rebuild those two are going to be available.

I don't see why they would trade Pettersen, Hughes, or Demko. At this rate, they will have a chance at Bedard without any changes.

They should trade Garland and Horvat so that they can get two more 2023 1sts, and play Hoglander (they need to know if they should move on from him). Then perhaps the rebuild turns into a retool, and they are actually competing next year.

Not saying this offer is amazing, especially with Garland included but I gotta go to bat for these “garbage” prospects.
Reilly Walsh was Harvards top offensive defender for 4 years and made his AHL debut last year leading the blue line in scoring as well. He isn’t the best defensively and his skating mechanics could probably use some work but he is a legit prospect that should be ready for some NHL action. He could probably run the Canucks PP2 or man it with OEL. He’s pretty locked out of the Devils lineup with our logjam in D but I would love to see him get an opportunity.

Mukhamaduhlin, 18th OA, mainstay defender playing in the KHL had one of the best U20 seasons by a defender the KHL has ever seen. And this year he’s only continued that starting the season off with 8 points in 10 games.

Offer aside, before y’all bad mouth prospects you’ve probably never heard of, do some research before you comment so you actually sound like you know what you’re talking about.

Walsh is trending towards being a 3rd pairing Dman:
https://dobberprospects.com/player/reilly-walsh/

Mukhamaduhlin scores a 6.5/10 in terms of becoming an everyday NHLer and is projected to have a ceiling of “4th-5th” D man:
https://dobberprospects.com/player/shakir-mukhamadullin/

My use of the word “scraps” is in reference to the fact that there are probably 6-7 prospects of greater value within the NJD system, hence, scraps. Sounds like you are lacking the education on these prospects XD

You know, I’d probably take you a little more seriously if you didn’t use XD in your responses. Isn’t school in session right now?

You asked me to backup my original comment, which I did, and this is the rebuttal? Looks like you got L + ratio’d (like the kids say lol). As a newcomer to this site, try to keep your replies “hockey related”. Your reply implied I cared what your thoughts were of me, which isn’t the case.

Unless you’ve got actual scouting reports which contradict the ones I provided, I hold my original thoughts on the prospects offered here, scraps.

These are the three guys most commonly offered to NJD. So I am guessing there is not consensus on this view?

Most Vancouver fans on this site are idiots.. I didn't mean to write Garland btw, he's definitely tradable. I was mostly thinking about the young core, Petey, Boeser, Hughes, and Demko, as well as Podkolzin. Trading any of those players would be pretty idiotic for Vancouver, a bit like the Red Wings trading Larkin, Raymond, Seider, or Edvinsson, or the Devils trading Hughes, Hischier, Holtz, or Nemec.

The thing about Vancouver is they obviously have Horvat, who I'd personally re-sign, and a bunch of pretty solid wingers they have the possiblity of trading. Guys like Garland and Pearson who could be very useful for revamping the defensecore. Honestly, if I was Allvin, I wouldn't tear down the core because it's very good, I'd just find a way of revamping the defense and bottom 6.

Petey, Hughes, and Demko are absolutely untouchable. I didn't mean to include Garland, but I don't think Boeser should be traded.

Never called the prospects garbage, I called Vanacek garbage, cause that's what he's been the last few years... maybe you should be the one to do some research, and by that I mean reading my reply...

I agree, Mukhamadullin is solid, he's been good in the KHL, but that's first of all not a guarantee of success in the NHL, and second of all not even close to enough, even with the 1st, to bring in Horvat. Walsh, I agree has been solid in the AHL, but he's 23. He's pretty similar to Rathbone, in that he's been alright in the minors, but hasn't been able to translate to the NHL, and once again not enough for Horvat.

When you're offering what is essentially a cap dump in Vanacek, that pretty much negates the 1st, and at that point you're trading two defense prospect with no guarantee of success in the NHL, plus a 2nd and a healthy scratch for two top 6 caliber forwards, when one of whom is a 30 goal scoring center... Not trying to bad mouth the prospect, but any trade for Horvat starts with an NHL regular

I wasn’t defending the trade, just the prospects because I felt they are much better than what was being reacted to

Not a huge fan of Dobber (to me, Dobber is to prospect evaluations what Eklund is to trade rumors).

But overall, I think the projections as mid-points aren't far off.

Walsh is probably a third pairing type, but could become a Justin Schultz or Nick Leddy type of dman at his peak. I think his floor is pretty high though, so he'll likely get plenty of minutes at NHL level (either in NJ or elsewhere if moved). He often gets miscast as an offensive, puck-rushing dman. While his transition with puck is great, he is more of a two-way player than some give him credit for (and at times, more physical than people expect). He was one of the best overall defenders 5v5 in AHL last year and was a fancy stat darling (one of the lowest GA/60 in league). Lastly, he is a righty, but has plenty of experience playing LD as well.

Mukhamadullin projection is very different. While 4th/5th dman may be the average, he is more of a boom/bust prospect. He plays a very unorthodox game...(example he will activate from right point to left corner...or step-up on transition defense higher up, closer to red line). To his detractors, it looks raw and undisciplined. To he supporters, it appears genius. To some prospect evaluators, he is unlikely to ever reach NHL. To others, they see a future top-pairing star. He is tough one to project. He is left-handed, but has played exclusively RD in KHL and on Russian team (in short stint in AHL, they played him on both sides).

Mukhamadullin was #24 in the recent re-draft by The Athletic
6. Jake Sanderson
8. Jamie Drysdale
15. Kaiden Guhle
16. Lukas Cormier
19. Alexander Nikishin
21. Braden Schneider
24. Shakir Mukhamadullin
25. Brock Faber
31. Justin Barron
32. Topi Niemela
45. Helge Grans
46. Wyatt Kaiser
47. William Wallinder
52. Donovan Sebrango
53. Daemon Hunt
56. Jack Thompson
57 Samuel Knazko
62. Ryan O'Rourke
70. Emil Andrae

Corey Pronman listed him among his top under-23 players and called him a future top-four defenseman. EP Rinkside says his stock from 2020 draft has increased. Draft Analyst has said he looked like a true No. 1 defender and a clone of Pavel Mintyukov. And, he is great with kids.

Lastly the Devils prospect pool is solid, so if these guys are 6-7th on the list, it likely means they are top-3 on most other teams.

Tier I: Hughes, Nemec, Holtz
Tier II: Gritsyuk, Mukhamadullin
Tier III: Casey, Foote
Tier IV: Bahl, Zetterlund, Walsh, Thompson
Tier V: Filmon, Clarke, Salminen, Okhotiuk, Edwards, Daws, Stillman, Vilen, Brennan, McCarthy, Leddy
Tier VI: Schmid, Bardakov, Moynihan, Hurtig, Shlaine, Hauser, Orlov

Makes total sense. What I'd do (with my limited knowledge of Canucks)

Make unavailable: Demko, Hughes, Pettersson, Podkolzin
Move one of Boeser, Garland or Mikheyev if it fills a need (like a top-4 dman who fits timeline)
Move Horvat at deadline for best package of futures
Move Kuzmenko too (at his AAV, he likely gets worthwhile return)
Plan to move Pearson at 2024 deadline (Myers too maybe)
And I would wait until off-season to sign top-4 RHD (as opposed to trading for him now). Severson, Dumba, Mayfield, Zub, Jensen, etc
And I would try to pick up one of two underappreciated RHDs from other prospect pools (Kasper Puutio, Phil Kemp, Nick Perbix, Vincent Iorio, etc).

(Maybe I'm due for a Canucks ACGM)

I have actually had my eyes on Iorio, I thought for sure they'd trade Horvat to the Caps for Iorio and Jensen at one point, made perfect sense for both teams. The Caps are trying to win right now, and they're lacking C depth with Backstrom out, the Canucks need to bolster their dcore (more accurately completely revamp it) and bringing in those two would be super beneficial, the latter as an instant upgrade for a top 4 defensive defenseman, and the former as at least a future 3rd pairing puck mover, which is exactly what they need

Depends how deep this rebuild goes. If they go full scorched earth and expect a 5 year rebuild then they have to consider moving Hughes, demko, Petey as well.

They don't need to trade Hughes, Petey, or demko right now: they have time. But depending how long they expect the rebuild to take if they go down that route then it needs to be considered. They can certainly wait it out a year or two though with those guys.

They are all young enough to be useful beyond 5-years, if they become replaceable along the way then perhaps it could be considered. Going scorch earth and trading them now would be silly unless they are getting players expexted to be franchise players.

why the hell would they trade a top 10 goalie, a point-per-game defenseman, and a future elite 1c, two of whom that are under 24 and all at the very beginning of their primes? you don't trade a vezina caliber goalie and you don't trade your young 1C and number 1 defenseman when they can help you compete for the next decade. that's not how you rebuild.

There's no rush to move them but it needs to be considered. A true rebuild probably takes 4-5 years before you are hopefully fighting for the playoffs again. Demko has 3 yrs left on his deal after this season, Quinn has 4, Petey has 2 before he can become a UFA. That would be roughly 8 years of playing on a losing team for those guys. That is a lot to handle mentally.

You wouldn't have to move them right away but would need to have an honest assessment of where the rebuild is at 2 years from now and make a decision on the direction with those 3 going forward.

Particularly with demko they should make the decision earlier. If you're rebuilding for the duration of his contract then there isn't much sense in holding onto an elite goalie through his prime and then signing him to a big extension in his thirties.

I don't think some fans truly realize how in depth a true rebuild would be. I'm personally fine with it and welcome it but I also accept the possibility that those guys don't end up being a part of it.

Rebuilding by just trading away Horvat (who should fetch a pretty good return), garland and Boeser (might not get you much to add to the rebuild), and whatever other scraps we've got isn't likely to result in a quick rebuild. Those are more of re-tool moves and might leave us in continued purgatory.