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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 13 heures
Sujet: Hughes connection
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Ahh sorry, mixed up with another deal. Yashin who finished 2nd and 14th in hart voting his 2 seasons before being traded.

Suzuki is a tier below Nemec as a prospect. You can use him as a comparable to Alex Holtz if you want tho.

Schenn again, tier below Nemec. Again more comparable to Holtz.

Forsberg still below Nemec, but the closest. And that trade doesn't provide any baseline due to how laughable it was.

All these comparables, along with many others, suggest it's Alex Holtz you're looking at as the centerpiece of a trade for a star/superstar</div></div>

Thing is the players that they were the centrepiece of a trade for were all a tier below Hughes, apart from Yashin (although he was older and in a contract dispute, so you could argue he didn’t have as much value as Hughes would)
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 15 heures
Sujet: cap space
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BigShoots</b></div><div>I think thats where you are wrong. OEL 750k more which isn't nothing for starters. Then Gallagher is actually still a decent player where as OEL isn't. Dom's model has Gallagher worth 4.1 this yr. At -500k. Not to mention Gallagher is a pest and a tenacious and infectious players. Which is literally the opposite of OEL who is soft, languid and uninspired. So that is a huge win for the Canucks.

Boeser I think most people would say isn't going to be the player we thought he was early in his career and will likely never be worth the almost 7 mil hes on. Beauvillier is a dime a dozen guy. Serviceable but nothing special.

Trading down is the big hit for the Canucks.

But this way they clear over 11 mil in cap space and get out from OEL for the price of moving down in the draft. It's a no brainer for Vancouver in my mind.

Take that 11 mil and sign the likes of a Gavrikov, Severson or Graves. Sign a good 3c. Maybe weaponize some of that cap. It just gives the team so many avenues to improve that aren't available to them now.</div></div>

Obviously OEL was terrible this year but he was playing with a broken foot. He was actually pretty good his first year here ($5M value according to Evolving Hockey, was -1.4M this year)

Gallagher was a bit better ($0.9M value this year according to Evolving Hockey), but has consistently been regressing every year. The Canucks also need a dman more than they need a winger, so OEL is a better fit for us

Boeser is overpaid by about 1M but still is a capable top 6 winger. He’s worth at least a 3rd if not a 2nd. Beau is a dime a dozen yes, but again is worth a mid round pick (more with retention). Dropping 20 spots to move those two leaves a hole on the wing as well. We’d have Podkolzin, Garland, and Hoglander for the 2nd/3rd lines, so we’d have to sign at least one winger and hope the young guys both take a step forward this season

Plus dropping the many spots gets us a much worse prospect. It’s just not worth it at all
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 15 heures
Sujet: Hughes connection
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>perfect lets go with the spezza example. 2nd + a young roster dman for young teemu selanne. so Nemec and Bahl, nothing else.

Lindros trade package would be a comparable if you were trading Bedard.

Schenn was a lower regarded prospect, still reterned 2 1sts.

Sergachev also a lower rated prospect and was still traded for a 53 point 21 year old

Nick Suzuki again a lower rated prospect

Berard demanded a trade and so traded for the number 2 pick. Meaningless.

Rask another lower rated prospect

Brannstrom again not the same tier of prospect.

Forsberg again not the same level of prospect

In addition anything pre salary cap era is irrelevant, as the salary cap is why ELC's and RFA years are so valuable.</div></div>

Spezza was traded for Yashin not Selanne. So the #2 pick and a young roster player for a disgruntled player that wanted out and a new expensive contract, that was also 4 years older than Hughes currently is

Schenn was very highly regarded and was traded with a 23 year old 2nd line power forward Simmonds and a 2nd round pick for Mike Richards, who was a good player but wouldn’t be as valuable as Hughes

Sergachev returned Drouin, who many expected to be a superstar

Suzuki is still a comparable, and he was traded with a 2nd and Tatar (who’s value was kinda weird at the time considering what Vegas gave up for him but then never really used him) for Pacioretty

Forsberg was one of the top prospects in the league. To this day I still don’t understand how he only returned Erat. Everybody knew it was a fleecing when it happened
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 16 heures
Sujet: Cost
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BigDog91</b></div><div>He has literally never had a season in top 8. He is not even close to top 8 right now.

Goalies way way way above Demko
Shesterkin
Sorokin
Saros
Vasilevskiy
Hellebuyck
Oettinger
Ullmark

Goalies arguably better

Hart
Bobrovsky
Gibson
Georgiev
Kuemper
Markstrom</div></div>

Demko at 5v5
20/21: .925 SV%, 6.67 GSAA, 7.89 GSAx
21/22: .933 SV% (3rd best), 26.42 GSAA (1st), 19.81 GSAx (3rd)
22/23: .920 SV%, 4.43 GSAA, 7.14 GSAx
22/23 after return from injury: .930 SV%, 7.72 GSAA, 8.22 GSAx

2021/22 he was a top 5 goalie. His numbers get brought down because he plays in front of a historically bad PK and one of the worst defenses in the league. Put him on a team like Boston or Carolina that actually know how to defend and he’s probably a Vezina candidate year in year out. He’s in the 6-8 range with Ullmark and Oettinger