22 juill. 2021
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bob_Dole</b></div><div>Great assessment. I too worry that Igor hides our flaws and makes the team over preform, but then we have like 6 - 7 goal games. The speed of our rebuild has taken me off guard, I liked how we were looking even before Dolan freaked out on Gordon and Davidson. I have liked Miller's play and think he will be a solid bottom second pairing guy. Kakko shows flashes of stunning play, but cant do it consistently and doesnt finish enough. (</div></div>
i agree. miller has been solid, but its clear hes not quite there yet. still has a ways to go. i am super happy that our lineup for the future is actually pretty solidified now. zibanejad, kreider, panarin, and strome still have a few year left, and if one of them drops off, or if either kakko or laffy actually are busts, we still have berard, cuylle, and especially othmann who looks insane in the ohl. two of them can also play rw which should mean we have the potential to have 8 or 9 top 6 caliber players for many years to come. our defense also looks great, fox/lindgren are both being very young and with a bit of luck will be our top pairing for another decade. miller and trouba are building chemistry and looks like a pretty solid pairing. nemeth will hopefully be gone soon, and we have three top tier d-prospects in schneider, lundkvist, and jones. we also have igor shesterkin, who with a bit of luck will be a perennial vezina/top 5 caliber goalie for a long time (lundqvist vibes), georgiev whos solid, and hopefully also garand.
the rebuild is more or less done, and our presidents trophy bid this season proves that. maybe we could add someone like rielly smith, or even a filip forsberg at the deadline, who could slot into the top 6 for the playoffs, but our biggest worry is fitting everything under the cap. especially with fox's big boy contract starting next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HOCKEYBOY448</b></div><div>Personally don’t think this team is very good. They’re awful against good teams and really good against bad teams. As of now I think they’d get bounced in 4 games against anyone in a 1st round matchup. Might be a decent learning experience to get some playoff experience, but I really can’t see them making a trade to drastically improve their odds.</div></div>
Eh, I mean with Shesterkin at full health, Lindgren in the lineup, and a solid RW to play with Strome and Panarin we'd be pretty good. Plus Lafreniere hasn't even broken out yet.
I mean if you watched the game against Florida, we were very competitive. If you think about it, if Shesterkin was at full strength I doubt he'd have let in that Verhaeghe goal, and if it was Lindgren playing with Fox, I think he'd have dealt with the Weegar goal too. That's not even talking about the amount of insane chances that Zibanejad had, or the amount of posts that were hit by the likes of Strome. I'm not trying to say we deserved to win that game, and I'm not meaning to excuse the Rangers, there's a lot that needs to be worked on, but we weren't exactly outplayed. Nor would I say we were outplayed by Vegas 2 weeks ago, or by the Preds before that. We got embarrassed by the Avs twice but we don't need to talk about that. All I'm saying is that was a home game against Florida, who were at (basically) full strength, with Bobrovsky playing very well, and it could've gone either way, I don't think it's fair to say this team "isn't very good", or that we'd get swept in the playoffs against any playoff team. I'm not saying we're cup contenders, but there's definitely something here.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>redw1n9s</b></div><div>So since you don't see him getting traded you make a BS offer for him? I don't see the connection...
As I said, not only was your trade absurd, so is your analysis. The Wings aren't two steps away from competing for a cup.</div></div>
i made what i think would be the cheapest possible option to start a conversation about what a trade for someone like him would look like for the red wings. maybe you noticed there were some other who gave genuine opinions of how the trade could be improved, and that was the point.
also, the red wings are definitely close to competing. obviously they arent just two steps, they're gonna need to wait for some prospects to develop, and for players like zadina to fully break out, but that goes without saying. what i wrote were what i think the two main steps are, what needs to be added to the core of the team. vrana coming back, and a trade for someone like pettersson would complete the top 6. a top 6 of vrana - pettersson - raymond, and bertuzzi - larkin - zadina would be one of the best top 6's in the league, especially if zadina breaks out. the bottom 6 is already pretty solid, and we have quite a few top defensive prospects that would make a big difference to the team. maybe we would need to add a more defensively minded defenseman, but given edvinsson and johansson are as good as they should be, our defense wouldnt be a problem at all. the goalie situation is great, neddy looks amazing, and greiss is really solid too. plus cossa looks like a steal at 15th overall, so we're pretty set for the future in the goalie department.
now, i probably shouldve been clearer in saying that i dont think if we added pettersson we would be competitive this year, but if we were to add pettersson, we would have everything we needed to be competitive as soon as next season. the lack of a 1c is really the only hole in our lineup, and the only hole that wont eventually be filled by one of our prospects.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>Gonna cost alot more for a player like him, only interesting pieces are Berggren and the first. We are alot further away from competing than you think. We currently only have Oesterle signed for the left side next year. Edvinsson probably makes the team but he might not be an impact player like Seider right of the bat. Raymond and Seider might be playing good right now but one season doesn't prove much, if they can get another real good season or two in then we should be ready to compete.
All in all I think the team is two to three years away from competing.</div></div>
obviously we could use one or two solid defensemen, and some of our prospects need to develop a bit more, but we're way closer to competing than you think. neddy is playing super well, and cossa looks super promising. we have one of the most loaded prospect pools in the nhl, including at least 2 or 3 top defensive prospects, and we have a very good record despite vrana being out. id agree that we're 2 or 3 seasons away, but i wouldnt be shocked if we make some noise in the playoffs next season. id say the season cossa makes his debut, we'll be cup contenders.
btw raymond and seider aren't just "playing good right now", the way theyre playing its extremely hard to say they arent gonna be elite level players, if not more than that.