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420 CHI MTL EDM 3 way blockbuster

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Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 22 août 2022
Publié: 23 août 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
The whole idea in the EDM/CHI/MTL trade is that MTL pays half the price of acquiring Kane plus gives a conditional 2025 1st to EDM to get Bouchard.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
1800 000 $
32 250 000 $
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Kane, Patrick (2 750 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
3 way trade for EDM to acquire Kane

EDM get:s

Kane at $3.875M plus extension 3 years x $5M
2025 1st (CGY) from MTL.

CHI gets:

2023 1st (EDM)
Xavier Bourgault
2023 1st (FLA) from MTL
2024 2nd (COL) from MTL


MTL gets:

$3.875M retention cap hit on Kane
Evan Bouchard
Warren Foeagle
CHI
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (COL)
Détails additionnels:
My thought process is that EDM may think of bringing in Kane to be a legitimate top line W for CM97, and hope that the loss of Bouchard is mitigated by signing Subban for 3 years. Bouchard is definitely a big loss but MTL does pay 2x 1st round picks, 1x 2nd round pick and retain on the Kane contract for EDM to make a cup run. Hell I'd even put Edmundson or Savard with retention in the deal going to EDM as well.
2.
EDM
  1. Kane, Patrick (3 875 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (CGY)
3.
MTL
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (NYR)
ARI
  1. Drouin, Jonathan
Détails additionnels:
Not a cap dump move but MTL makes it to open a couple spots at FWD.
4.
MTL
  1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2024 (WPG)
WPG
  1. Armia, Joel
Détails additionnels:
Not a cap dump move but MTL makes it to open a couple spots at FWD.
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2023
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Logo de PIT
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2024
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Logo de NYR
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Logo de WPG
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Logo de EDM
2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2082 500 000 $71 235 832 $1 132 500 $2 120 000 $11 264 168 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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880 833 $880 833 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
C
UFA - 8
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 4
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4 450 000 $4 450 000 $
C
UFA - 3
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
C
UFA - 3
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 5
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6 375 000 $6 375 000 $
C, AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
875 000 $875 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
2 875 000 $2 875 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
DG/DD
RFA - 3
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
762 500 $762 500 $
DD
UFA - 2

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23 août 2022 à 12 h 31
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bouchard is untouchable.
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23 août 2022 à 12 h 32
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What exactly have you guys done to get Bouchard here? Disproportionate value to expect a legit young top 4 defenseman to be moved just to clear a bit of cap
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23 août 2022 à 12 h 32
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Edmonton declines easily. There’s no chance they trade Bouchard, and if they did in this scenario he would probably go to Chicago, not Montreal
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23 août 2022 à 12 h 34
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Armia is an expensive 3 year cap dump. Montreal needs to add at least a first or two to dump him.
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23 août 2022 à 12 h 36
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So let me get this straight. You want EDM to move out bouchard bourgault 23 1st and foegele for kane and a conditional 1st in 2025. Maybe add caufield and it would be a bit fairer.
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23 août 2022 à 12 h 40
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Appreciate the creativity, but MTL giving up 2 late firsts and a late 2nd to get back Bouchard is not realistic for a small amount of retention (will be less then $2.75M as Kane will not be traded before the start of the season and the cap hit reduces with each game played). Edmonton meanwhile, can just deal Bouchard and a 1st plus Foegele to Chicago direct for Kane.

Furthermore, there is little to no chance Kane agrees to a $5M for 3 year extension (more likely $7M to $8M) and even less likely he agrees to an extension with any Canadian team.
23 août 2022 à 12 h 45
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Kane blocks it with his NMC. Next.
23 août 2022 à 12 h 51
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Too many moving parts, and Edmonton is giving up way too much - their part of the deal is giving up Bouchard, Bourgault, Foegele, and a 2023 1st for Kane with basically an extra $1.4M in retention (his current salary is $10.5M, if Chicago fully retains he goes out at $5.25M, and you have Edmonton getting him at a $3.875M cap hit). It's a massive overpay for them. If a 3rd team gets involved in a Kane trade, I can only assume their job will just be absorbing the $2.625M hit of double retention and getting back a pick/prospect for their trouble.
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23 août 2022 à 12 h 53
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
Too many moving parts, and Edmonton is giving up way too much - their part of the deal is giving up Bouchard, Bourgault, Foegele, and a 2023 1st for Kane with basically an extra $1.4M in retention (his current salary is $10.5M, if Chicago fully retains he goes out at $5.25M, and you have Edmonton getting him at a $3.875M cap hit). It's a massive overpay for them. If a 3rd team gets involved in a Kane trade, I can only assume their job will just be absorbing the $2.625M hit of double retention and getting back a pick/prospect for their trouble.


Spot on!
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23 août 2022 à 12 h 54
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Appreciate the creativity, but MTL giving up 2 late firsts and a late 2nd to get back Bouchard is not realistic for a small amount of retention (will be less then $2.75M as Kane will not be traded before the start of the season and the cap hit reduces with each game played). Edmonton meanwhile, can just deal Bouchard and a 1st plus Foegele to Chicago direct for Kane.

Furthermore, there is little to no chance Kane agrees to a $5M for 3 year extension (more likely $7M to $8M) and even less likely he agrees to an extension with any Canadian team.


dealing bouchard for kane would be a dumb move by edmonton, they easily lose that trade
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23 août 2022 à 12 h 55
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feel like the third team being added in this deal to retain 3.8 mil for a year will get a 2nd and maybe a 5th or something with it and thats it, the rest makes very little sense. Edmonton has been starving for solid d for a while so i highly doubt they would move Bouchard and i dont think they would have to in a package for Kane.
23 août 2022 à 13 h 5
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Quoting: Windjammer
Armia is an expensive 3 year cap dump. Montreal needs to add at least a first or two to dump him.


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Market value of $500k, but a cap hit of $3.4 million. What happened to Armia?
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23 août 2022 à 13 h 6
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Pretty big no from Edmonton, retaining on a contract doesn't get that much especially one that is expiring and you are only retaining like 2.75 mil. You might be able to squeeze out a 2nd if you are lucky but not more than that.
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23 août 2022 à 13 h 15
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Edmonton meanwhile, can just deal Bouchard and a 1st plus Foegele to Chicago direct for Kane.

Bouchard has more value than a Kane rental all by himself.
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23 août 2022 à 13 h 26
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Quoting: Mr_Canoehead
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Market value of $500k, but a cap hit of $3.4 million. What happened to Armia?


Man that's a tough one. I really liked him when he was in Winnipeg, but he's just fallen apart lately.
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23 août 2022 à 13 h 33
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More silliness about Kane extending with Oilers at 5m X 3. Too think Drouin and Armia aren't cap dumps.....well
23 août 2022 à 13 h 35
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Quoting: CD282
Bouchard has more value than a Kane rental all by himself.


Quoting: gary_gobbler
dealing bouchard for kane would be a dumb move by edmonton, they easily lose that trade


Says who? If the Oilers are a Kane away from winning a cup, that's not true then. Bouchard, while more valuable in the future, does not win them a cup this year. Owners generally speaking have one goal, that is to increase revenues (value) and winning a cup is the number one way to do that. That said, I doubt the Oilers are a kane away from winning a cup, but context matters when you say Kane is not worth Bouchard...that's not necessarily objectively true and subjective based on who you talk to.
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23 août 2022 à 14 h 13
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Says who? If the Oilers are a Kane away from winning a cup, that's not true then. Bouchard, while more valuable in the future, does not win them a cup this year. Owners generally speaking have one goal, that is to increase revenues (value) and winning a cup is the number one way to do that. That said, I doubt the Oilers are a kane away from winning a cup, but context matters when you say Kane is not worth Bouchard...that's not necessarily objectively true and subjective based on who you talk to.


In this case and looking at Edmonton's dcore, Bouchard is 100% more valuable than kane. This would be like NYI trading dobson for 1 year of kane, it would just never ever happen.
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23 août 2022 à 14 h 20
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Quoting: gary_gobbler
In this case and looking at Edmonton's dcore, Bouchard is 100% more valuable than kane. This would be like NYI trading dobson for 1 year of kane, it would just never ever happen.


My bad, I was getting Bouchard confused with Broberg. You are right, Bouchard is more valuable to the Oilers, Broberg or Holloway not as much.
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23 août 2022 à 14 h 30
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My bad, I was getting Bouchard confused with Broberg. You are right, Bouchard is more valuable to the Oilers, Broberg or Holloway not as much.


All good, Im not that crazy about a kane trade, depending on the price. But if its not far off from Chychrun's price then we mine aswell trade for him instead.
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23 août 2022 à 14 h 42
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Quoting: gary_gobbler
All good, Im not that crazy about a kane trade, depending on the price. But if its not far off from Chychrun's price then we mine aswell trade for him instead.

IMO Chychrun is overrated. He's a 2nd pairing defenseman who went on a shooting heater for 1 year when he only had to face weak southwestern teams.

I'd spend less to get a better player like Sanheim.
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23 août 2022 à 14 h 52
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IMO Chychrun is overrated. He's a 2nd pairing defenseman who went on a shooting heater for 1 year when he only had to face weak southwestern teams.

I'd spend less to get a better player like Sanheim.


if sanheim was available I agree, probably will be come the trade deadline.
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23 août 2022 à 16 h 33
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All good, Im not that crazy about a kane trade, depending on the price. But if its not far off from Chychrun's price then we mine aswell trade for him instead.


I don't think the Oilers needs are more offense so I agree with you.
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