We aren't trading Horvat!!!!!! If you want him, it'll be for an overpay

Even if we are out of a playoff spot it’s more likely Horvat signs an extension than it is he gets traded. Maybe if negotiations stalk but I don’t see that happening

Don’t think Columbus makes that trade, they could very likely be out of the playoffs too.

Can't see the Canucks being out of playoff contention and Miller is by far more likely to get traded than Horvat.

Chances of the Canucks missing the playoffs next year imo are next to nill. The only teams in the Pacific that are arguably better than the Canucks are the Oilers and the Kings

I don't know that Horvat is an upgrade over the centers Columbus already has. He and Jenner are insanely similar.

Horvat is better offensively than Jenner

Is he though? They were on pace for identical numbers last year over 82 games.

Horvat had 30 goals, Jenner didn't

VAN is not moving Horvat.

Well most Vancouver fans said they wouldn’t give him 7 x 7. So he will get traded

VAN management want him back, they don't care about a few fans on CapFriendly think.

Horvat had 8 more goals in 11 more games, playing on a much better team. Yes, Horvat is a slightly better offensive player than Jenner. The difference is marginal. They fill identical roles on their respective teams. They are virtually identical. Neither team needs both of them.

Vancouver isn't moving Horvat, and the Jackets already have their own version of him anyway.

I think Calgary still could be. Maybe Vegas bounces back also but idk. I do think we have a good chance of making it though

With Vegas, you have to weigh the balance between being healthier against losing Pacioretty. I honestly think by dumping Pacioretty, the golden knights might have just taken themselves out of conversation for cup contention. I'm not even sure William Karlsson is a quality 2C anymore for that matter, plus their bottom six doesn't look like anything exceptional anymore. It's not bad, it just doesn't look all that exception either

With Calgary, all of a sudden having 1 less elite forward really changes the complexion of their forward group for me. Their blueline is still very strong with the addition of Weegar, but Tanev is older and Kylington is a big wild card especially when he's playing away from Tanev. Backlund, Coleman, and Mangiapane is a really strong checking line, but they're ideally more 3rd line caliber than they are 2nd line, so I wouldn't overestimate their usage, so yeah, with the flames, they've got good goaltending and defense, but their forward group is a major question mark for me

I sort of wonder what the vibe is going to be like in the flames locker room, having to say good by to your two best forwards while still playing for a demanding old school coach, I have some reservations about that

I think most expect Jenner's offensive numbers to scale back a bit this upcoming season

Why? He finally gets put in an offensive role again and immediately returned to 30+ goal form. If he's playing between Gaudreau and Laine and still has his 1st PP role, I don't see how he could possibly do worse than the 60 point pace he had last year.

Fully agree with what you said about Vegas. Not sure how I feel about their goaltending situation either

And your point about Calgary’s locker room is one I hadn’t really thought about tbh. They do definitely still have a talented team though so I wouldn’t count them out yet. They probably need to find a way to add another forward though

I don't think Vancouver will trade Horvat but I would absolutely be open to it if the right offer came along. Horvat will be 28 when his contract expires next season, his prime does not line up with when Vancouver MAY have a chance of competing in 3-4 years and he likely gets a 6-7 year deal. Good management groups make tough decisions to either A) win now, or, B) win (contend) in the future, and this team isn't close to being a contender now.

Yeah, Vegas's goaltending has some questions, but if all else fails, I think Logan Thompson can be a steady 1A for the time being. Calgary's forward group is sorely in need of another high end forward, but even last year, they didn't have a bonafied second line, and I think that partially got exposed against Edmonton. I think having just been embarrassed by their provincial rival, compounded with losing their two best forwards, I could see something being slightly off in the locker room for the flames next off-season, and that could potentially spell the end for Treliving

Horvat's prime ABSOLUTELY can line up with the core's contention window

Yeah I guess, but then that just gives people the excuse that he's padding his offensive stats playing with them, and further obscures his supposed 30 goal potential playing away from elite wingers

Well what we think doesn’t mean anything. Our management team is very high on keeping Horgan. Through various interviews and such, it has been made clear that Miller is the expendable one whereas Horvat is the “keep at all costs” player

I 100% completely disagree.
This team is currently no where near cup contention, they are flirting with playoff contention. They are cap strapped, JR said himself that they wish they could have addressed certain issues this offseason but couldn't for cap reasons, they don't have any major impact players coming in for the foreseeable future on ECL's, and they didn't add any major impact players this offseason (best piece was a middle six winger) and they weren't a playoff team last season. Horvat just had a career year at 27, statistically he is in his prime now (or should be just passed it), he will be declining when the team might have a chance at competing in 3-4 years.

This argument shows so much bias. Jenner has never once even scratched 50 points in a season.

If we look at point and goal production over the last 5 years, Bo Horvat has scored more goals, and put up more points in each and every one of those 5 years. I wouldn’t exactly call that “marginal”