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Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 11 h 13
Sujet: Rumors and Speculation
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jazzykiwi</b></div><div>The Lindholm trade only works if he's willing to resign in Col. Something he may not be willing to do. They've always had trouble luring FAs and are perpetually bad</div></div>

Right, I suspect that he would if the price is right. It's mostly about money for these guys. Not always and not exclusively, but at the end of the day, money talks.

The bit about not signing FAs is not really true. Since Jarmo arrived they signed Nathan Horton who was a big fish at the time, Brandon Saad extended after a trade from CHI, Gus Nyquist, and Johnny Gaudreau among some others. However, they've made it clear that their goal was to try to build through the draft the "right way."

They had a good run of success with the Foligno-led Jackets, but rightly blew that up before they were all too old when it was clear they didn't have enough to get over the hump.

Maybe if Panarin stayed they would've kept that corps together and made a deeper push, but they made the right call and are now loaded with dynamic, young talent and have a decent group of vets as well to lead them. The roster isn't finished though. The kids still need time to mature and Jarmo still has to find another top center. Obviously Gaudreau and Laine have to get going too, but they are too good of players to stay stuck in a slump for too long. Gaudreau has already started playing much better in recent weeks. Now Laine needs to get going.
Forum: Armchair-GMven. à 10 h 27
Sujet: Laine for Kadri
I wouldn't mind Kadri honestly, but only if he comes at a much cheaper price. CBJ shouldn't be selling low on Laine, but I do think they should move on from him next summer. I've seen enough in his 3 years in Columbus to know that he just isn't a player we need. Immensely talented, but he just doesn't have the competitive drive or physical nature needed to win.

Our wings are soft. Thankfully, Voronkov showed up in a big way to help with that, but I think Laine needs to go as well. If he rebounds this season and gets back to decent form, he should be able to garner a 1st + from some team at or near the draft.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>squashmaple</b></div><div>We'll just keep Laine, thanks. Three less years. Immediately clicked with Fantilli on a personal level. His brain is still scrambled from that dirty hit by Andersson, so there's no reason to panic or move him now.</div></div>

I agree that panic selling is a bad idea, but I don't think his play has anything to do with concussion symptoms. He's always been a sloppy puck handler and shown limited effort. He has good bursts, like the effort he put into the goal against MTL, but otherwise he loses a board battle and pouts for a second before slowly getting going again. He just doesn't have any killer instinct aside from when it's time to shoot the puck, and he even seems to be missing his confidence in that regard right now too.
Forum: Armchair-GM29 nov. à 14 h 1
Sujet: Sign Lindholm like Severson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cbjthrowaway</b></div><div>cannot understate how much i love marchenko's game and personality. that said, those guys aren't great comps.

hughes was 20 when he signed his deal. sanderson had just turned 21. tage was coming off of a 38-30–68 season when he signed his extension.

marchenko is 23 (much closer to being a finished product) and has a career 28-10–38 line across 80 games, which is buoyed by his 16% sh% last year. he's both less proven and more of a finished product than those three guys.

the better comp is oliver bjorkstrand's first extension with the jackets, signed in the summer of 2018 (3 years, $2.5m aav) as a 23-year-old coming off of a 40-point season. that's in line with marchenko's age and production so far. bjorkstrand's second cbj extension ($5.4m aav over 6 years) is probably the high-end comp, but he signed that after scoring at a far higher rate than marchenko has, and that one bought out 4 UFA years (i think).</div></div>

I get that maybe the projection is high based on the current numbers. A lot will depend on how he finishes this season, but I value him highly and project him to be worth it. It's also 8 years, which I get is a strong committment, but it's also buying like 6 UFA years so it's going to raise the price a little bit.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>Replace Savard? He is still under contract for a year and a half. Even if they traded him away right now:

Barron, Kovacevic and Lindstrom are NHL level.

Ghule, Harris and Xhekaj can also play the right side.

Reinbacher will sign before the end of the season.

And Mailloux is waiting in the AHL to be recalled.

With 9 realistic options on RHD, why would a rebuilding team pay a high pick? Zero interest from MTL.</div></div>

Seems like a fair enough assessment. I don't watch enough MTL games to know, so was going off of numerous users here that seemed to have interest in him.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bast</b></div><div>Why would the Flames let Lindholm walk to UFA. He's going to be traded at the deadline, or signed long term(less likely)</div></div>

Fair point. I guess if he is traded at the deadline and is a UFA next season, CBJ would only be able to offer him 7 years.
Forum: Armchair-GM29 nov. à 13 h 24
Sujet: Sign Lindholm like Severson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cbjthrowaway</b></div><div>i love marchenko but $54m over 8 years is <em>very</em> generous. he has 13 points in 21 games this year. that's 50-point pace over a full season. he's a $4-5m winger if they give him term, and closer to $3m on a bridge deal.</div></div>

He's a $4-5 million winger right now, but seeing how he plays and the mentality he brings, I see him being an $8+ million winger in 4-5 years. Personally, I'd take the gamble to lock him up long term. Good teams do this and it keeps their championship window open longer, like how Boston did with Marchand and Pasternak, or countless other examples.

They should also have the money in 2 years to sign Fantilli, Jiricek and Johnson to good value 7-year extensions as well.
Forum: Armchair-GM29 nov. à 12 h 19
Sujet: Sign Lindholm like Severson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Friendly_Cannon</b></div><div>All in all I like this a lot.
I would maybe acquire one veteran winger to support the younger guys and provide some competition but overall this is decent.


I wouldn’t mind giving laine one more year to see if he can make it stick in a second line role. However if we do move on from him, I won’t be too upset.</div></div>

I wouldn't be opposed to a veteran winger either, as long as it is the type of player who is fine with being healthy scratched. They could easily go that route instead of re-signing Bemstrom. I know everyone seems to hate him, but I think that is mostly because of the ridiculous hype and expectations put on him that he didn't live up to. He really hasn't been a bad player and is a good depth guy, but I still agree, a veteran who can be a strong leader would only help.

As for Laine, he's shown me enough already. Immensely talented, but just doesn't seem to have the mental makeup to be truly great. Seattle is a team that has been desperately searching for high-end talent to put with Beniers, so I think they'd take this shot on Laine, especially if he can rebound a bit this season and buoy his numbers.