i like the deal but the 1st is a bit much

Why would Minni make that trade? Bert has just a year till he's a UFA. Certainly Minni isn't giving up a first.

That would be with the 50% retention. A ppg player for 2.375m is NOT cheap. (He has another year left too)

I don't know... Fiala and Bertuzzi have been scoring at about the same rate. Why would we add a 1st? Is it because Bertuzzi's deal runs through the '22-'23 season? It's just one year and we'd have the same cap troubles we are having with Fiala right now. It's also a deal that would happen in the offseason since Fiala will be going nowhere at the deadline.

So in a nutshell, this would be an extremely short-sighted deal for the Wild to make. And it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to pay an additional 1st to do it.

The reasoning is as follows:

1) Minnesota has a limited window to make use of Kaprizov, but for the next 3 years are saddled with 12-14m dead cap.
2) understanding this, signing fiala is looking difficult.
3) They want to go for it during kaprizovs time including this and next year
4) bert is a ppg top6 player that if retained they could have for both years at 2.375m dollars per year, which is insanely high value and let’s them replace fiala and go for it both years.

ok

True. However fiala has 51 points in 55 games and an rfa at the end of this year. I don’t see them wanting to make a slight upgrade and potentially loosing the player after next year in exchange for a first.

Name me a reason why Yzerman would retain 50% on Bertuzzi? When Fiala makes $5,100,000 to Bertuzzi's $4,750,000 just swap them 1 for 1 and Minny still clears $350,000.

It’s about next year too and the reason would be to get the first. Minnesota has significantly more dead cap to deal with next year, which makes it difficult to be competitive unless they find cap room such as this way.

If there is no retention I think it would be a 1-1 swap with minimal pick movement.

Oh, I agree Minni has a difficult cap situation, and Fiala might have to go. It's likely more a summer deal. One year of half retained Bertuzzin for a signed Fiala could be a deal, but the first is too much.
Minni could get a good deal this summer for Fiala with some team that has cap.

You really think Yzerman cares about the Wilds cap concerns? Guerin dug himself into a hole here and Yzerman isn't going to bail him out by retaining on Bertuzzi for another year.

You're right Yzerman doesn't care about the Wild cap situation. But trading one year of Bertuzzi half retained for a signed Fiala for five years is a steal for the Wings.

I also don’t think he cares unless he can benefit from it. It’s not a favour if Minnesota is paying assets for the retention (the pick on top of fiala).

I think Minni can get a much better deal for for Fiala than a half retained Bertuzzi. Adding a pick is definitely a deal breaker for Minni

Maybe you could argue a 1 for 1 but you aren't getting a 1st with him. That's bananas

Enough to make my systems blow...


If no one else was gonna I will

Yeah, under no circumstances is Minnesota doing this

Oh i totally agree, Kevin Fiala say for 5 x $7,000,000 is a win win for Detroit. Minnesota gets a 1.5 Tyler Bertuzzi at 50% and after that he's gone because Bertuzzi will probably cost more then Fiala so obviously he's a 1.5 year player for the Wild while Detroit has Fiala long term it's definitely a win win situation for Detroit.

1 for 1 with no retention yes.

If there’s 50% retention then it comes with a 1st because a ppg player for 2.375m for this and next year is immense value.

The 1st is in there only if there is massive retention on Detroit’s end. I thought that was clear but by the comments I guess not.

Guerin isn't doing this. Detroit fans like yourself need to stop thinking Guerin would trade a 1st for another Winger much less add on fiala. we will just bring back fiala or sign another Winger in free agency whose cheaper

Yeah except minny wouldn't do that. Having to move fiala is bad enough giving up a first on top of it would be a deal breaker.

The maple leafs traded a 1st for the ghost of Foligno last year. At the deadline 1sts go for... considerably lower value then what acgms put on them.

I’m alright with just a 1-1 swap too. I just think somethings there and can’t scratch that feeling. If not for the 12m of dead cap the wild have next year I wouldn’t think they’d want the retention... but desperate times.

Oh I think there is definitely something there and you maybe can squeeze them a bit with their cap issues but this is an off-season move. Bert not playing in Canada is gonna keep teams like minny away from him right now.

I’m not so sure about that - did you know Minnesota only plays one game in Canada before playoffs after the deadline (montreal).

Also, the central division will not have a representative and it’s looking like the oilers might fail epically, which means as long as Minnie makes it in their divisional spot, the earliest they would have to care about a Canadian team should be the conference finals. Which would very much soften the blow. I think it could work as a deadline deal as well.

But hey, we’ll probably have another boring deadline instead this year.

Why would Minnesota mess up our team chemistry? Also our whole team is Vaccinated. You also have been trying to push him on Minnesota for a while , and has been told no. Our gm isn't like other gm . Just because Toronto's gm was stupid doesn't mean ours is