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9 sept. 2021 à 18 h 49
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I think Slavin earns top 15 for me cause doyle put it well
I think Slavin is overrated SLIGHTLY, and I did even say it

But the quickest counterpoint is that he just meshes so well with whomever he plays with and uplifts the team because he helps create a bonafide top pair. Slavin just knows how to play hockey, I say that because its simple, he just plays the right game with whomever hes with and whatever situation.

Thats why I think Slavin deserves a lot of praise and love. He wont be a HOF but hes a guy I can easily see looking back in the future and saying "damn that guy was so good"


I think there’s an argument for Slavin in the 15-20 range but not any higher than that. Makar, Mcavoy, Hamilton , , Hedman, Fox, Theodore , pietrangelo, josi, weegar , Ellis, Spurgeon , Carlson are all better than Slavin.
9 sept. 2021 à 19 h 13
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Quoting: Db1899
I think there’s an argument for Slavin in the 15-20 range but not any higher than that. Makar, Mcavoy, Hamilton , , Hedman, Fox, Theodore , pietrangelo, josi, weegar , Ellis, Spurgeon , Carlson are all better than Slavin.


What? Hedman and Makar yes, Fox, Pietro, Josi, McAvoy maybe, Carlson, Theodore, Hamilton, Weegar, Ellis, Spurgeon NO CHANCE. Slavin is an elite lockdown defender who takes almost no penalty minutes (1 penalty in 52 games last year) and is a terrific offensive asset, even without posting many points (similar to Adam Pelech/Ryan Pulock, as you mentioned last night). He's for sure Top 10, maybe even Top 5.
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9 sept. 2021 à 19 h 14
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LOL @EsoYeezus69
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9 sept. 2021 à 19 h 44
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Quoting: ConservativeLightningFan91
What? Hedman and Makar yes, Fox, Pietro, Josi, McAvoy maybe, Carlson, Theodore, Hamilton, Weegar, Ellis, Spurgeon NO CHANCE. Slavin is an elite lockdown defender who takes almost no penalty minutes (1 penalty in 52 games last year) and is a terrific offensive asset, even without posting many points (similar to Adam Pelech/Ryan Pulock, as you mentioned last night). He's for sure Top 10, maybe even Top 5.
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Hamilton is better than Slavin and it’s not close, same with Theodore
9 sept. 2021 à 19 h 45
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Because analytics aren’t everything?


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This.

Gosh I HATE analytics without context. JFresh and Dom should just shut the f up because they don’t get the bigger picture of the game


EXACTLY!!!
9 sept. 2021 à 19 h 49
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Hey everyone,
I just wanted to ask this here because a few people (including myself) are arguing with a Red Wings Fan who's better (Hughes or Slavin and now Slavin or Werenski). https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/512068?post_id=2679502

Let's hear a more general opinion on it. Who's the better D-man? Slavin vs. Werenski and Slavin vs. Hughes


Slavin for sure.
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Werenski > Slavin , Slavin>Hughes (right now). I do think Slavin is a bit overrated. Great top pairing D , but he’s probably in the 20-25 range for best defenseman but a lot of fans think he’s top 10


Are you kidding? Slavin is one of the most underrated players in the league. His name rarely comes up in a discussion about the top 10 defenseman even though he has a very strong case to be there.
9 sept. 2021 à 19 h 52
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Slavin for sure.

Are you kidding? Slavin is one of the most underrated players in the league. His name rarely comes up in a discussion about the top 10 defenseman even though he has a very strong case to be there.


Slavin is a stud - he’s not top 10 though. He doesn’t have a strong case to be 10.
9 sept. 2021 à 20 h 3
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Quoting: TZ11
Hey everyone,
I just wanted to ask this here because a few people (including myself) are arguing with a Red Wings Fan who's better (Hughes or Slavin and now Slavin or Werenski). https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/512068?post_id=2679502

Let's hear a more general opinion on it. Who's the better D-man? Slavin vs. Werenski and Slavin vs. Hughes


Slavin>Werenski>Hughes
9 sept. 2021 à 20 h 6
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I think there’s an argument for Slavin in the 15-20 range but not any higher than that. Makar, Mcavoy, Hamilton , , Hedman, Fox, Theodore , pietrangelo, josi, weegar , Ellis, Spurgeon , Carlson are all better than Slavin.


Makar, McAvoy, Hamilton, Hedman, Theodore, Pietrangelo, Josi all yes. Fox needs to repeat last year, Weegar is debatable and he’s better than Carlson, Ellis and Spurgeon
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9 sept. 2021 à 20 h 9
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Quinn to NJ confirmed
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9 sept. 2021 à 20 h 15
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Quinn to NJ confirmed


That picture is kinda old lol
9 sept. 2021 à 20 h 37
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That picture is kinda old lol


I know but the first time the Devils posted it they cropped out Quinn
This time they left Quinn in the picture 👀
9 sept. 2021 à 20 h 56
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Quoting: Devil1122
I know but the first time the Devils posted it they cropped out Quinn
This time they left Quinn in the picture 👀


Ok. They are brothers. Quinn is signing a long term deal in Van anyway.
9 sept. 2021 à 21 h 6
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Apparently Arizona are preparing themselves to offer Matthews the biggest contract ever when he hits UFA.
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9 sept. 2021 à 21 h 21
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Modifié 9 sept. 2021 à 21 h 51
Quoting: SevenLeg
Apparently Arizona are preparing themselves to offer Matthews the biggest contract ever when he hits UFA.


I dont think hes gonna hit UFA and if he does not extend before the deadline hes gonna be moved with an extension beforehand to another team who can afford him. That said money specifically bonus money does talk

As Toronto or whoever else gets him will just give him a large signing bonus deal. Thats what wins players over these days as who wants to wait for the money when they can make the majority of it before the season starts.

Sure Arizona could give him a 20mill deal but it wont be bonus heavy as they will go bankrupt by year 3 or 4 lul. Leafs can give him 15mill the most signing bonus heavy deal seen in NHL history thank you Scotiabank lul.

Cause lets be real MLSE has the money to burn on him Arizona does not as they barely got enough money to stay in their own area. They be in Houston when he becomes a UFA almost guaranteed wink now thats when an offer could become legitimate.
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9 sept. 2021 à 21 h 36
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Ok. They are brothers. Quinn is signing a long term deal in Van anyway.


Thanks for ruining the fun
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9 sept. 2021 à 21 h 44
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Quoting: Db1899
I think there’s an argument for Slavin in the 15-20 range but not any higher than that. Makar, Mcavoy, Hamilton , , Hedman, Fox, Theodore , pietrangelo, josi, weegar , Ellis, Spurgeon , Carlson are all better than Slavin.


Feels like he's one of those guys that was so underrated that he became overrated.
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9 sept. 2021 à 21 h 46
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Someone recently asked me do you think Kadri would return to Toronto when he becomes a UFA in 2022

I said, maybe but honestly I kind of hope he doesn't.

His playoff antics being the main reason 6 playoff appearances and has been suspended 3 of the 6.

Still he is missed and I hope he does well
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9 sept. 2021 à 21 h 52
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Quoting: Db1899
Slavin is a stud - he’s not top 10 though. He doesn’t have a strong case to be 10.


Sure he does.

Quoting: Db1899
I think there’s an argument for Slavin in the 15-20 range but not any higher than that. Makar, Mcavoy, Hamilton , , Hedman, Fox, Theodore , pietrangelo, josi, weegar , Ellis, Spurgeon , Carlson are all better than Slavin.


He's not better than Makar,Hedman, MacAvoy, Fox, Theodore, Josi, Hamilton, or Pietrangelo, but I think he's better than Weegar, Ellis, Spurgeon and Carlson.
9 sept. 2021 à 21 h 56
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Fantasy Draft's over, and I'm thrilled. Behold, Team "PointTheWayToTheCup" (Get it? GET IT? smile )

Forwards: Nathan MacKinnon, Brayden Point, Ryan O'Reilly, Jonathan Marchessault, Taylor Hall, Elias Lindholm

Defense: Alex Pietrangelo, Neil Pionk, Devon Toews, Justin Faulk

Goalies: Darcy Kuemper, MacKenzie Blackwood

Bench: Zach Hyman, Pavel Buchnevich, Colton Parayko, Chris Driedger

Thoughts?
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9 sept. 2021 à 21 h 56
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Can we talk about why Colorado of all teams is bringing in so many terrible hockey players (trading for MacDermid, signing Jack Johnson and Anisimov to PTOs)? I thought they were a smarter organization than this. I would expect this from like, Anaheim or Pittsburgh or something, but not Colorado.
9 sept. 2021 à 21 h 59
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Can we talk about why Colorado of all teams is bringing in so many terrible hockey players (trading for MacDermid, signing Jack Johnson and Anisimov to PTOs)? I thought they were a smarter organization than this. I would expect this from like, Anaheim or Pittsburgh or something, but not Colorado.


Cheap depth?

But I agree, seems a bit odd
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9 sept. 2021 à 22 h 0
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Quoting: Alfie11
Can we talk about why Colorado of all teams is bringing in so many terrible hockey players (trading for MacDermid, signing Jack Johnson and Anisimov to PTOs)? I thought they were a smarter organization than this. I would expect this from like, Anaheim or Pittsburgh or something, but not Colorado.


I think after losing Donskoi, Saad and Bellemare, they're worried about depth after the top 6. I agree that they're going about it in the worst way possible, especially trading for MacDermid (makes no sense whatsoever).
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9 sept. 2021 à 22 h 3
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Quoting: Alfie11
Can we talk about why Colorado of all teams is bringing in so many terrible hockey players (trading for MacDermid, signing Jack Johnson and Anisimov to PTOs)? I thought they were a smarter organization than this. I would expect this from like, Anaheim or Pittsburgh or something, but not Colorado.


Yeah some of their choices have been weird. I guess Sakic felt the team needed some grit and veteran leadership

Anisimov I like. Good 4c and can replace PEB well. The other 2 mentioned yeah they should have looked elsewhere. I guess they want another veteran Dman and a bruiser Dman to help strengthen their Dcore. And to be fair Vegas ran a clinic on that young Dcore as without Johnsson (E) they seemed to struggle to keep the other teams momentum down leading to many goals.

Gonna wait and see what happens but they most likely gonna win the President Trophy again
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9 sept. 2021 à 22 h 12
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I dont think hes gonna hit UFA and if he does not extend before the deadline hes gonna be moved with an extension beforehand to another team who can afford him. That said money specifically bonus money does talk

As Toronto or whoever else gets him will just give him a large signing bonus deal. Thats what wins players over these days as who wants to wait for the money when they can make the majority of it before the season starts.

Sure Arizona could give him a 20mill deal but it wont be bonus heavy as they will go bankrupt by year 3 or 4 lul. Leafs can give him 15mill the most signing bonus heavy deal seen in NHL history thank you Scotiabank lul.

Cause lets be real MLSE has the money to burn on him Arizona does not as they barely got enough money to stay in their own area. They be in Houston when he becomes a UFA almost guaranteed wink now thats when an offer could become legitimate.


That's too many luls for me
 
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