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Do you agree?

Leafs: suck at D
Dubas: hey let’s get Ceci and Barrie to fix that, it’ll help

The guy is clueless and shouldn’t be anywhere near a GM office

idk

I don't think he should be fired but I think he needs to reassess the way he built the team. Its a good idea in theory to have an all skill team but you still need to be a tough team to play against and if the Leafs aren't scoring they aren't winning and in the playoffs you need to be a team that wears other teams down. Not saying they have to be the Bruins but they have to have role players who win puck battles and throw hits and the only guys like that on the team IMO are Muzzin, Hyman, Clifford, and occasionally Kapanen everyone else is all offense. The fact they're trying to extend Clifford of all people proves my point

Sounds about right.

You just explained why they should keep him

The Nylander contract is a steal, Tavares took a paycut to come to the leafs, Matthews got fair value... Just for 5 years, ig that's kind of bad, but Marner is the only contract that's an overpay, and it's not like it's an albatross contract or anything, he traded Kadri for an RD, and a younger cheaper player who can be a solid 3C... Remember at the time of the trade 99.9% of people said he had fleeced the Avs, they traded their 3C for a younger cheaper 3C with more upside and an RD that had just come off a 60+ point season and was top 15 in P/60 for d men iirc, and it's not like a good RD comes cheap, he's probably tried to go for guys like Manson or Pesce, but those teams know what they have and won't give them up

Yeah other teams want him to stick around, he, so easy to fool when making a trade

He’ll most likely move Kappy because grit and work ethic are useless concept for him or so it seems

Ya, I wouldn't mind if he stays around if he drastically changes his thinking. But as it stands, his theory is not a successful one. If he gets a Good, tough defensive right hand d I will be happy. But the only way he's doing that is he he trades one of the big 4, and I guarantee he will never do that.

GOOD ONE BUDDY!!!

Except Barrie didn’t fix anything at defense calling him a defensman is insulting

If he moves Kappy for a good dman, He will be forgiven

His « we can, and we will » mentality hasn’t helped TOR in the slightest

The big 4 are paid fairly, and are not at all a problem. They are all elite and make the team better. The defence isn't terrible, the system under Babs was terrible, under Keefe they dealt with massive injury problems and were learning a new system but the team showed a lot of progress towards the shutdown. Most don't see it because they just don't understand hockey but defending wasn't the problem under Keefe, it was almost completely turnovers that were the cause of all the problems. They were cutting those down before the shut down. Blaming Dubas for giving up a 1st rounder for nothing (apart from cap space) is for lack of a better phrase, ****ing stupid. Who signed Marleau to that contract? Who cares about Kadri, he hurt the Leafs more than he helped us. Two years in a row, he could have been a difference maker and instead was sitting while the team lost a series they could have won. Would they have won if he was playing? Maybe, but we never knew because he was an idiot.

Point to a trade that Dubas didn't win? Apart from trading Marleau which was never going to be a good move but it sure beat trading Nylander when his value was low.

Anyone who thinks Dubas should be fired is either a troll who just hates the Leafs or is an old school cement head that thinks you need a bunch of hard hitting meat heads from the clutch and grab era to win. The Leafs are 4 seasons removed from finishing last and are the 4th or 5th youngest team in the league. They are still learning. Have patience and don't listen to the idiots on here going off about stuff that isn't real.

Haha nobody will trade a guy like Pesce or Manson for him

Pesce roughly equals Nylander and Manson must include Liljegren in the return

This is ridiculous.

Sorry bud, but that trade so Dubas get fleeced. Nylander contract is ok, but its not a steal. Tavares did take a "pay cut" but that does mean he is over payed. That one isn't really anyones fault, but Tavares is still payed too much. Matthews and Marner are ok as well, but they were given a bit too much.

Wow chill bud. I still think he should be fired yes, he still has time to win a cup, but at the rate he s going, It better to get a new gm with a different philosophy

« The big 4 are paid fairly »

Ok is that why no other team in the NHL pais its top 4 more than 35 million bucks? No one else does that because every other GM understands that it’s a losing strategy

« Anyone who thinks Dubas should be fired is either a troll who just hates the Leafs« 

Great, let’s hide behind the « you rightly point out many issues within the team that can’t really be properly fixed because of the big 4 so I’ll just call you a hater ». That’s a nonsense argument that only relies on emotion


« Have patience and don't listen to the idiots on here going off about stuff that isn't real»

Except signing JT forced them to compete for the SC when they weren’t ready for that, far from that, it rushed the rebuild and they have bad consequences ever since.

Kapanen for Manson is very fair. Kapanen for Pesce would included LILI, but absolutely no way it included Nylander.

Sighing JT was not a mistake. Hes their captain. Without JT, they would be a very Immature team, and would be in the cellars. He's just as important as Marner and Matthews.

getting a year of ceci beats the years and years of zaitsev at 4.5.

No because ANA needs a RD-man, just like TOR, which makes them bad trading partners.

Yes Willy will have to be included in the deal because Pesce is a very very good d-man who can play heavy minutes on the PK which TOR badly lacks/needs

Yeah they would be but it would make sense because they would still be learning. They’d become cup contenders in 2021-22. Or if they signed JT they needed to move either Willy or Marner