Ok so is it reversed or what? Need a confirmation on it so we can move on from it.

Reverted

Whatever happened to us being able to explain the move. That's what was discussed and agreed to, but you don't do it.

Ah whatever its all good wmjoncar! We both know how good OEL is.

Btw what was the ratings on the trade? All 1's?

We felt that it wasn't worth the time for us to open the discussion on it simply because we don't believe that there is any rebuttal to it.

There is no possible way to frame Hampus Lindholm being worth less than OEL in this game. So lets call that if you were to swap the two, you would get a rating of 4-2.
Sam Steel is worth significantly more than Anthony Dunclair. That is a clear 4-2 swap.
The difference in the 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick are cannot be rated.

Marco essentially gets a player slightly worse than OEL, but still has contract value, a top prospect for a player who won't gain in value over time, and a top pick for a late 3rd.

Why not let him make the case? If he feels strongly about it, why not?

I'm not sure I follow the 2-4 , 4-2 swap meaning/significance? Is that the trade rating you mean? if that's the case then how is this trade so bad its not even up for revision like the others?

Also have to look past current circumstances only too, philly. Its too much the "Flavour of the week" around here. Its the reason us fans trade the entire team away after 10 games because their team won only one game. Reality is those players are still good and will rebound, sure they took a hit in value but smart GM's don't move those players at that time. They wait till they've rebounded because they usually do. Arizona is one of the worst teams in the league this year and on pace to even beat last years Colorado. Is Mackinnon's value so low? Players still hold value when the team around is sucking.

Duclair was a top prospect only a few years ago. Scored 20 goals as a rookie essentially and is going @ roughly 0.5 ppg at the moment so his value while is still low, is not as bad as it was last year. He's playing in a significantly worse team overall then most of the teams in the league these past 3 years. Eventually a player just needs a new start (or more accurately a better team) but still has all the talent he had previously. That doesn't just go away. Especially with a 22 year old...... Saying his value won't gain over time is totally presumptuous. You don't know that. He could be traded IRL to a playoff team where his confidence could rebound easily, and what then? Similar to saying Steel is a slam dunk guaranteed superstar stud...... remember Ryan Strome. Michael Dal Colle. Sam Bennett. etc. What if ten years down the line, Steel doesn't pan out as a super stud everyone thinks he does (but still is a decent NHL'er at least) and Duclair is traded to MTL IRL for example where he is given better minutes next to Drouin and Lehkonen for a full season and produces a moderate 20+20? All of a sudden I'm looking pretty bad. Can i get a trade reverted then? Oh no, that's true, you risk taking a prospect with no NHL experience at face value when he doesn't pan out but right now you have to overpay for him? Prospects are still prospects at the end of the day. Only a select few (Matthews, Laine, etc) get that automatic level of value.

I get it, I like Steel too obviously and hope he can translate those numbers in junior to the NHL but realistically what are the odds he becomes a pt/g player in the NHL or even close to it? You'd be quick to check that most picks DON'T reach their potential. Scoring in juniors means nothing. He is a 19 year old dangling against 15-16-17-18 year old youngsters still looking to get laid for the 1st time........ Im sorry but at that age and against that competition, a player can easily attain silly numbers. There are plenty of examples that can be made (Sam Gagner comes to mind). If you're telling me to look at his point totals and say "look at how many points he scored last year 131!" then don't tell me not to point to Duclair's 44 points in his rookie season in the NHL only 2 years ago or OEL's 21 Gs - 55 pts two years ago or his 39 points last year which is widely considered as a really down season for him. Which funny enough is the same output Fowler had last year and everyone is raving about the superstar he is now...... The same guy that is considered the #1 in Anaheim ahead of Lindholm.

As for OEL vs Lindholm, this debate will definitely be split down the middle. Its quite apparent its an analytics vs everyone else type mentality. I personally think some ppl exaggerate Lindholms defensive game then by that same token they downplay OEL's offensive game. I don't think that's fair especially when attempting to remain unbiased in the situation. Both are close in age yet one has accomplished a lot more in notoriety with a much worse team over the years. Its really unfortunate playing in Arizona is taking away from a player's value in fans eyes when people within the NHL themselves state OEL is one of the best dmen in the game...... Oh and in his prime to boot........... "Oh he'll get a huge raise in free agency so his value is less as a result" ??? So if he gets 10M because he is a stud top pairing dman on any team that's a negative but if he gets 6.5-7M, "See he's only as good as Yandle or Shattenkirk"........... This logic is flawed.......

The value of the 1st round pick is a little muggy for me also. We honestly have no way of knowing where that pick will end up. At least IRL we can get a somewhat grasp of where teams will finish and then the lottery might move a couple teams as it did this past year but your proposal seems to make me think it could be all over the place within the lottery picks. Also what happens if the GM of that pick then goes on to make two absolutely great deals afterwards that move him up the power rankings? Now that pick doesn't seem so low after all.....

I think first of all, not being able to explain why this move is valid is unfair (Or at the very least revise-worthy). Frankly I opened a debate for this in the NHL thread and have yet to be given ample evidence that OEL is not a more valuable player than Lindholm straight up. Secondly, you are looking at much of the Anaheim pieces in the best possible light. Guess what, Duchene with two years left on his contract at 6M before becoming UFA, after having his worst season of his career, after having a decent but not very good start to this year, was traded for:

Shane Bowers (1st round pick)
Andrew Hammond (Cheapish cap dump)
Samuel Girard (2nd round pick)
Vladislav Kamenev (2nd round pick)
2018 1st round pick (OTT)
2018 2nd round pick (NSH)
2019 3rd round pick (OTT)


Let that sink in for a bit and tell me how my offer is so unbelievably way off ......... wjncar and I can revise the deal if needed but the frame work for the deal is there and is valid.




Late edit: Sorry, I forgot we're not supposed to comment in the BOE thread guys.

Hey BOE, where is the October Power rankings at? I haven't seen it posted in the power rankings thread.

not yet...I have exams this next week and am I still scrambling around...I should have time today to get my half done, just need to combine them with Bo



Because our answer will be the same. We feel so strongly about it that there is not a possible chance to craft a narrative that would change our minds. If he really wants to, fine. I would just recommend spending my time trying to make some revisions to the deal rather than argue that the deal should stand.

BOE,

Given the direction of the San Jose Sharks and the fact that the organization has decided to build for the future instead of the now, the San Jose Sharks organization would like to make a request to have Joe Thornton's NMC given a one-time exemption for trade. As a tenured veteran in the NHL, his goal would to be to have a legitimate chance to win a Stanley Cup. There is not a trade imminent, but the organization would like to definitively know whether or not we are allowed to find Mr. Thornton a team where he can win now and pursue his career long dream.

Thanks,
San Jose GM

Hi is there a way I could become an AGM? Let me know thanks

come to my page, i'm looking for an AGM.

Edit: I'm Ottawa.

I'm not sure if i should be telling you this, but you may want to know. If you don't feel this is important, don't reply, but somebody (I'm not sure who it was) has made a fake twitter called rangersandislesfan and it says something along the lines of 'i'm the GM of the Islanders in v1 and Ottawa in v2, and i'm a fan of the Rangers and Islanders.' Someone posted a link in my page.

Once again, don't feel like answering if you don't feel that this is important. I'm not sure if there are any penalties for doing this.

It was Mr_Cap and boltscharge who did this, RAIF. It was just a prank. (A prank that I fell for lol)

Still waiting for news?

Unfortunately, we're looking for GM's with more CF experience at this time.

Would like some clarification on a few things.

I signed Dereck Baribeau, and TOR signed Maxime Fortier. These guys went undrafted irl and were signed by teams irl despite still technically being draft-eligible. My attempts to claim Dylan Coghlan and Ty Lewis, who were also undrafted and then signed while still draft-eligible irl, were rejected.

Please clarify what the ruling is. Are we allowed to sign draft-eligible players who get contracts irl? Or do we have to let these guys go in the 2018 draft pool (which will make things quite confusing)?

Since those players aren't considered UFAs, you cannot sign them and they will be draft eligible for 2018.

Can we get a ruling on the Nic Kerdiles waiver claim priority? I believe it is between DET and NJD, which is confusing given the GM turnover since the Sept PR came out. Do I keep Detroit's PR spot, does Missouri keep mine (NJD)?

It should go off October's PR, which we still have no clue about.

I was under the impression that the PRs are technically by team and not by GM. Accordingly, because NJ is higher in the waiver order than DET, I believe Kerdiles goes to NJ.

Also, question. The NMCs of Fleury and Enstrom were waived for the expansion draft. Were they waived just for the draft (i.e. are still in effect now), or were they waived permanently?

Brent Burns has a NTC but can name 3 teams he can be traded too. He was already traded this year, but since its a 3 team trade clause, I was wondering if i am able to trade him again?

players that waived clauses for expansion only applied to do so for that. So therefore they'd have to waive a NMC again to be traded further.