Yeah, that’s not getting you Markström

Take out the retention and swap Bastian for Bahl and Flames might consider it. Happy to swap Bastian for either Rooney or Duehr if they want too though. The preference would a Waivers Exempt Prospect over the 3rd as well. Would help to speed up the re-tool

Ottawa accepts.

CBJ-No
CGY-Yes
OTT-No

Do we though?

Another LHD to add to our pool of LHD's.

Id like having another 1st.

why are u on this train of Markstrom being worth the same or even more then ullmark? hes a 34 yearold goalie who has a huge cap hit and hasnt had a good season in 2 years let alone an elite season. if ullmark is struggling to get the 10oa or holtz then what on earth makes u think a struggling aging goalie is worth more? lower ur expectations. ull get a first if u eat some cap and maybe a bad prospect.

Siegenthaler is an NHL-ready two way defenceman with term and a smaller cap hit than Chychrun's.

He buys time for Kleven to continue developing in the minors if necessary.

Once Kleven is ready to make the jump, we just trade Siegenthaler to a third team.



We originally gave up the #12 overall pick in 2023 + two seconds for Chychrun.

Here, we are getting the #10 overall pick in 2024 + Siegenthaler for Chychrun.

This is very close in value to what we originally gave up.



Ottawa accepts.

Markstrom & Ullmark are relatively equally skilled and matched statistically, but Markstrom come with an additional year term, whereas Ullmark is a Pending UFA set for a rich contract extension

Note: there’s more stats than just GAA & Sv% to compare and on that note, Ullmark’s haven so 💩 hot in the playoffs the last 2 seasons. I highly doubt any goalie who goes to NJD, especially Ullmark, does well given their weak & leaky d-corps

$6mil is less than the $8mil/yr Markstrom’s probably worth as bona fide elite 90-1A Goalie already

Eating Cap for 2 full seasons is night and day different than at the trade deadline with 20 games ~25% remaining in the season on an expiring contract. It’s huge $$$ out of pocket which is worth a ton in trade consideration alone

NJD should get Ulllmark if they can. Don’t matter to me, there’s 5-7 other teams in the goalie market, so I’m confident we’ll net a great return without retention or an amazing return with it

theres more to goalie stats then save% but markstrom the known streaky and hit or miss goalie is not getting a good/great return unless ur eating 2+m on his deal. that isnt that valueable as is considering his last 2 years and hes 34. hes not going to magically return to an elite goalie and hes probably the 4/5th goalie on the market. if u think markstrom is an 8M goalie then ur already lost. hes been a bottom starter the last 2 years. ullmark hasnt even played bad in the playoffs. u would know that if u actually know anything about goalies. played very well in the only starting game he got and came in halfway through a blowout cold. 2 years ago he played great until he was very clearly hurt and they played him an extra game n 1/2. markstrom over his time in calg had 1 elite season 2 pretty poor seasons a terrible season and a pretty pissy playoff run. thats not an elite 1A goalie. thats a solid 1B/2A goalie whos being overpaid at 6m
U will get a first for him from a goalie hungry team and maybe midish prospect. nothing more no matter how much cap u eat. there are 2 better goalies teams can give up = assets for. markstrom is for sure not even close to saros or ullmarks value btw hes easily an entire tier below them.

Goalies by nature are “streaky” and can go Hot or Cold at any time, regardless of their age

If you don’t understand what I pointed out in my last post about the difference between retaining an an expiring contract for the last 25% of a season after bonuses have already been paid out vs. for 2 entire seasons (tying up 2 retention spots btw) and can’t do the math, I really can’t help you

If you knew anything about Markström and his circumstances and could take the teams in front of them into consideration over the last 2 seasons, you might understand

Both Saros & Ullmark are Rentals = Pending Free Agents seeking huge new contracts that likely don’t, but could become boat anchors, just like Husso, Forsberg & Campbell have for DET, OTT & EDM. It’s amazing how change affects some Goalies

Best of Luck to NJD and all the Teams, but we know what we have in Markström and $6mil over a short-term contract is more ideal than having to commit long-term contracts for $8-12mil/yr till they’re 37-38 like Ullmark & Saros will be wanting and signing for

Sounds like Saros and the Predators are working hard on a contract extension, so he’s probably not even available

That probably gets close to Laine with no retention, but no one is retaining $4M+ a year without getting heavy compensation.

I don’t think Laine without retention is costing anyone more than a mid round pick and maybe a throw in prospect at this point

this is very very far off on laine's fully retained value

a non-lotto first a year away and a completely uninteresting prospect?

Move Siegenthaler to another team if they would rather have Kleven play next year - there's far too much value in this trade to pass up. Not a chance the actual trade that ends up happening comes close to this.

That is in fact the offer i put down

I commend you for trying to up Markstroms value but in reality his value is not there and Ullmark is a much better deal for every team looking for an upgrade in nets.

Calgary doesn't want/need Bastian as we need to make room for our own forwards graduating from the A. I like Holtz as a sniper to try to pair to Huberdeau to get them both to take a step forward. Less retention and a straight swap is probably preferred from the Flames perspective as ownership is probably going to be looking to save real $ without playoff revenue.

When he's playing, he's a 0.8 ppg player. That's the production of players like Tage, Giroux, McCann, Buchnevich, and Tuch last year. He's a $6M player making too much, I think it's a given we retain about $2M, but that kind of production costs a lot.

Throw conditions on there related to Laine's production, and I'd expect a 1st plus. When he's not taking headshots, slewfoots, or losing his father...he's good for about 50 games and 50 points a season.

Unless Ullmark won’t move there or you don’t project to have the Cap Space available for his next contract or how bout if you believe you already have your Future Goaltender within the organization and just need a bridge mentor like OTT has with Sogaard, TOR has with Woll and DET has with Cossa

The benefit of Bastian is he can play Centre and in all situations including a Front Net Presence on the PP or on the PK if need be. Add he’s ultra physical and he’s a good guy to have as a 4th line Winger or 13th/14th Forward. Teams typically keep Vets in the press box over their AHL’ers who are better served continuing to develop with game action. That said, Flames already have Hunt, Rooney & Duehr and could re-sign AJ Greer or see if Cole Schwindt or Adam Klapka is ready to make the leap

Huberdeau does better with a Big Fast Power Forward or two as his linemates, which Holtz is not, not to mention we already have Coronato. Anthony Duclair, Martin Pospisil, Vasiky Podkolzin type players would likely do much better on a line with Huberdeau than Holtz would imo