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The case for trading Guhle

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Équipe: 2024-25 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 22 mai 2024
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I understand this might be an unpopular idea, but MTL has to at least entertain the idea of trading Guhle. He's the most valuable LD in the organization, and at some point you've got to give to receive.

Now, I would entertain this idea ONLY if the team can target a 2nd future top 6 talent at the 2024 draft, e.g. if one of Lindstrom/Iginla/Sennecke/Catton is still on the board by the time SEA or CGY is about to make their pick.

Picture this: if MTL is coming out of the draft with Demidov AND Iginla but lost Guhle, would the team be in a better shape for the foreseeable future? I'd say yes because 1) the logjam at defence would be temporarily resolved, making way for Harris, Mailloux, Barron and Struble to raise their trade value, 2) the team would be moving backwards short term, raising the odds of a high pick in the 2025 and 2026 drafts, 3) the top 9 of the future would be established and 4) those additional top 9 pieces would be entering their prime when the team is ready to return to relevance, that is when the 2026-2027 season starts.
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22 mai à 15 h 40
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CGY might consider trading the 28th OA pick, but not the 9th OA pick.
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22 mai à 15 h 43
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I understand where you are coming from, however, trading their best defensive defence men in Guhle does not make sense. I would think they would move one of Hutson, or Mallioux before they trade Guhle, as those two are more offensive defence men. Guhle is also proven, the guy you would be picking, is not.
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22 mai à 15 h 44
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I am not opposed to the idea of trading one of our D prospects just don't think Guhle would be the one to go.
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22 mai à 15 h 54
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Unpopular because its stupid.

Why cant some people understand that harris barron struble xhekaj are not on guhles level. Not remotely.

Guhle is already producing elite defensive metric in to pair minutes often on his off side.

You dont replace that.
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22 mai à 15 h 55
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I wouldn't move Guhle just because Habs have depth on LHD. Guhle could be arguably the best of all of them. Until we know what we have, there is no point moving him IMO. Not to mention that Guhle is not worth a top 10 pick in the draft, especially this year, at least not yet. So we'd likely have to move him for another young roster player from another team whose a forward if anything.

Guhle can also play RHD pretty decently so putting him on the right side, at least for 1 year, makes others who are more reasonable, expendable. Harris IMO has no future on this team if Hutson makes the club.
Savard and Kovacevic are likely gone by TDL, freeing up more spots. Barron needs to step up or he may be waiver claimed. Xhekaj can play the right side if need be. Struble is not waiver eligible so he can be sent down. Mailloux also. etc etc

There isn't as much of a rush to move a dmen as many think. Depth is a good thing, especially with how many injuries the team has every year. Also, It'll be nice for Laval to not have to rely on ECHL players for once.
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22 mai à 15 h 57
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It won't be to Calgary though, we will likely be targeting a forward at the draft. I bet the Devils would accept Guhle for #10 though
22 mai à 16 h 26
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This would be the equivalent of trading Sergachev D+ 3 for Drouin in his draft year, it could look good on paper but in reality you don't know what you are actually getting for 3 more years, you could end up with Tkachuk or Kotkaniemi, is that the risk you really want to take with our best D man?!
22 mai à 16 h 51
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Hey, I hear y'all got some Guhle for sale? What do the Avs gotta do to get their hands on him? No Lehkys tho
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22 mai à 17 h 0
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I wouldn't move Guhle just because Habs have depth on LHD. Guhle could be arguably the best of all of them. Until we know what we have, there is no point moving him IMO. Not to mention that Guhle is not worth a top 10 pick in the draft, especially this year, at least not yet. So we'd likely have to move him for another young roster player from another team whose a forward if anything.

Guhle can also play RHD pretty decently so putting him on the right side, at least for 1 year, makes others who are more reasonable, expendable. Harris IMO has no future on this team if Hutson makes the club.
Savard and Kovacevic are likely gone by TDL, freeing up more spots. Barron needs to step up or he may be waiver claimed. Xhekaj can play the right side if need be. Struble is not waiver eligible so he can be sent down. Mailloux also. etc etc

There isn't as much of a rush to move a dmen as many think. Depth is a good thing, especially with how many injuries the team has every year. Also, It'll be nice for Laval to not have to rely on ECHL players for once.


I know you said, "at least not yet", but even now there would be teams in the top 10 that would jump at the opportunity to acquire Guhle. It depends on teams situation for sure. NJD almost 100%, OTT, UTA and SEA would most certainly be interested (even if MTL would have to add maybe a secondary asset but Guhle would still be the key piece),

But let's play the hypothetical game. let's say CGY did indeed offer the 9th pick for Guhle, would Hughes accept the deal? We can all debate how close or not in terms of value in a vacuum and whatnot, but realistically, MTL is probably the team turning down the deal.
Gorton and Hughes have made it very clear they want to speed up the rebuild. Moving Guhle for a future asset (of equal or close to similar value) does the exact opposite. And Guhle hasn't reached his full potential yet, everyone agrees with this. He's already showing strong metrics as a top pairing D (playing on his off side no less). And we haven't touched on a key component of Guhle's game either; going back to his draft selection, the whole point and Bergevin's sales pitch for selecting him was... the "InTaNgIbLes"... He's a leader, he's a playoff type performer, he plays "the right way", etc. etc. There hasn't really been a true opportunity for Guhle to showcase those skills with MTL being a bottom feeding team.


It is kind of telling now with Guhle finally playing in a competitive environment, that he's thriving and has been one of team Canada's best defenders in a squad that includes Powers, Byram, Parayko, Severson, and Oleksiak...
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22 mai à 17 h 42
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It won't be to Calgary though, we will likely be targeting a forward at the draft. I bet the Devils would accept Guhle for #10 though


Yup! I think we’d be all over it (unless Dickinson falls to #10)
22 mai à 17 h 49
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I wouldn't move Guhle just because Habs have depth on LHD. Guhle could be arguably the best of all of them. Until we know what we have, there is no point moving him IMO. Not to mention that Guhle is not worth a top 10 pick in the draft, especially this year, at least not yet. So we'd likely have to move him for another young roster player from another team whose a forward if anything.


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I know you said, "at least not yet", but even now there would be teams in the top 10 that would jump at the opportunity to acquire Guhle. It depends on teams situation for sure. NJD almost 100%, OTT, UTA and SEA would most certainly be interested (even if MTL would have to add maybe a secondary asset but Guhle would still be the key piece)


I think when Tom Fitzgerald talks about moving #10 pick, Guhle is exactly the type of player he would probably be looking for. Most of our core is in place, we just need to address a few areas. Guhle fits his description of the type of dman he would target. And is right age, stage of development. “Guys that can continue to grow along with Jack, Nico, etc.”.
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22 mai à 18 h 28
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LOL, 28th OA for Guhle ok fine but 9th OA? Not a snowball's chance in hell!
23 mai à 13 h 51
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CGY might consider trading the 28th OA pick, but not the 9th OA pick.


Fair point.
23 mai à 13 h 56
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I understand where you are coming from, however, trading their best defensive defence men in Guhle does not make sense. I would think they would move one of Hutson, or Mallioux before they trade Guhle, as those two are more offensive defence men. Guhle is also proven, the guy you would be picking, is not.


I understand that. There's obviously a considerable risk factor at play here, and the move could go one way or another. But can you build a dynasty in the modern NHL by playing it safe?
23 mai à 13 h 58
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I am not opposed to the idea of trading one of our D prospects just don't think Guhle would be the one to go.


OK, but no other player/prospects/package can garant a top 10 pick in return. You want a highly prized asset? Get ready to pay the price.
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Quoting: F50marco
I wouldn't move Guhle just because Habs have depth on LHD. Guhle could be arguably the best of all of them. Until we know what we have, there is no point moving him IMO. Not to mention that Guhle is not worth a top 10 pick in the draft, especially this year, at least not yet. So we'd likely have to move him for another young roster player from another team whose a forward if anything.

Guhle can also play RHD pretty decently so putting him on the right side, at least for 1 year, makes others who are more reasonable, expendable. Harris IMO has no future on this team if Hutson makes the club.
Savard and Kovacevic are likely gone by TDL, freeing up more spots. Barron needs to step up or he may be waiver claimed. Xhekaj can play the right side if need be. Struble is not waiver eligible so he can be sent down. Mailloux also. etc etc

There isn't as much of a rush to move a dmen as many think. Depth is a good thing, especially with how many injuries the team has every year. Also, It'll be nice for Laval to not have to rely on ECHL players for once.


I'm not saying Guhle should be traded because there's a logjam at LD, I'm saying it's one of the reasons this move would make sense - I'll give you that, it's actually a pretty weak argument. But if I refer to the arguments I made above, my strongests selling points would probably be the 2nd and 4th.
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23 mai à 14 h 6
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This would be the equivalent of trading Sergachev D+ 3 for Drouin in his draft year, it could look good on paper but in reality you don't know what you are actually getting for 3 more years, you could end up with Tkachuk or Kotkaniemi, is that the risk you really want to take with our best D man?!


Agreed, there's a risk factor. See the answer I made to Nhl_oilers.
23 mai à 14 h 8
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LOL, 28th OA for Guhle ok fine but 9th OA? Not a snowball's chance in hell!


I mean, come on. You can't seriously consider that Guhle is worth the 28th pick?!
23 mai à 14 h 18
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I mean, come on. You can't seriously consider that Guhle is worth the 28th pick?!


He sure as hell isn't worth 9th OA.
23 mai à 14 h 25
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Quoting: Black61
Unpopular because its stupid.

Why cant some people understand that harris barron struble xhekaj are not on guhles level. Not remotely.

Guhle is already producing elite defensive metric in to pair minutes often on his off side.

You dont replace that.


Guhle hasn’t produced elite defensive metrics at all tho.
23 mai à 14 h 36
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Quoting: MoxNix
He sure as hell isn't worth 9th OA.


Romanov and a 4th got 13th, how is Guhle not worth considerably more than that?! That statement is like saying Seider isnt worth more than 15th
25 mai à 10 h 19
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I'm not saying Guhle should be traded because there's a logjam at LD, I'm saying it's one of the reasons this move would make sense - I'll give you that, it's actually a pretty weak argument. But if I refer to the arguments I made above, my strongests selling points would probably be the 2nd and 4th.


Got to keep in mind also that trading Guhle for the pick means they don't get a player of Guhle's calibre till like 26-27 probably. If this was a full rebuild tear down, you could make a case but KH doesn't appear to want to wait that long. They're going to try and be good as soon as next year. Losing Guhle for a pick would weaken them for the near future.

Also Im more than willing to change my mind on this but not right now. I need a season of Hutson and Mailloux in the NHL before moving Guhle for a future forward. Xhekaj's improvement also plays a factor as he could make Guhle's loss less of a burden but he needs to step big time then.

As of right now, Guhle is the future top pairing LD on the team. You don't move that. If we had two Guhle type LHD both vying for the same spot, than sure go for it.
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