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Créé par: SpiderSpiderSpider28

Équipe: 2024-25 Flyers de Philadelphie

Date de création initiale: 18 avr. 2024

Publié: 18 avr. 2024

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Well **** me, don't post anything Hawks fans don't like I guess lol

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Välimäki, Juuso	1	2 000 000 $
Brink, Bobby	2	1 500 000 $
Turcotte, Alex	2	900 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Tarasenko, Vladimir		3	6 500 000 $
Lomberg, Ryan		1	850 000 $

Transactions

PHI

Zegras, Trevor

ANA

Détails additionnels:

I'd assume in this set of circumstances that TK would be extending in Anaheim long term.

The reality is this: I think TK is going to be too expensive for the Flyers to justify extending with Michov on the way and Foerster looking incredibly promising. As for Frost, I think he could and probably should be a big part of the future moving forward, but I don't think the fit is there with Tortorella, and after a contentious year I think the organization finally moves on from him despite him having a great season.

Having said that, I don't think it makes sense to go hunting for draft picks for them, they need high end talent and they need it fast. Zegras is really the only option on the market that can be a potential top-6 Center for them long term, so they jump the gun and do this while they can

PHI

Forsberg, Anton
Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (OTT)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (OTT)

Détails additionnels:

Flyers get some draft picks and a guy who can step in if disaster falls next year with Ersson and/or Fedotov

OTT

Laughton, Scott

Détails additionnels:

Ottawa adds a Veteran leader who can improve their middle-six

PHI

Välimäki, Juuso [Droits de RFA]

ARI

Zamula, Yegor [Droits de RFA]
Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (PHI)

Détails additionnels:

I think it's worth giving up a 3rd round pick for a chance to potentially upgrade a guy who I don't think would have a long term future with the organization

PHI

Turcotte, Alex [Droits de RFA]

LAK

Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (CBJ)

Rachats de contrats

Anthony Deangelo: 1 666 667 $
Ilya Bryzgalov: 0 $
Cam Atkinson: 2 358 334 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Kevin Hayes: 3 571 428 $ (50%)

Enfoui

Cal Petersen: 3 850 000 $ (5 000 000 $)
Ryan Johansen: 2 850 000 $ (4 000 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
2025
2026

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	87 500 000 $	84 508 095 $	245 000 $	32 500 $	2 991 905 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Foerster, Tyson 863 333 $863 333 $ AD RFA - 1	Zegras, Trevor 5 750 000 $5 750 000 $ C, AG RFA - 2	Tarasenko, Vladimir 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ AD UFA
Farabee, Joel 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 4	Couturier, Sean 7 750 000 $7 750 000 $ C NMC UFA - 6	Brink, Bobby 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AD RFA
Cates, Noah 2 625 000 $2 625 000 $ C, AG RFA - 1	Turcotte, Alex 900 000 $900 000 $ C RFA	Tippett, Owen 6 200 000 $6 200 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 8
Eklind, Oscar 950 000 $950 000 $ AG, C RFA - 1	Poehling, Ryan 1 900 000 $1 900 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Hathaway, Garnet 2 375 000 $2 375 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
York, Cam 1 600 000 $1 600 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 1	Sanheim, Travis 6 250 000 $6 250 000 $ DG/DD NTC UFA - 7	Ersson, Samuel 1 450 000 $1 450 000 $ G RFA - 2
Välimäki, Juuso 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG RFA	Drysdale, Jamie 2 300 000 $2 300 000 $ DD RFA - 2	Forsberg, Anton 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Seeler, Nick 2 700 000 $2 700 000 $ DG/DD NTC UFA - 4	Ristolainen, Rasmus 5 100 000 $5 100 000 $ DD UFA - 3

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Andrae, Emil 903 333 $903 333 $ (32 500 $$32K) DG RFA - 2		Ellis, Ryan 6 250 000 $6 250 000 $ DD UFA - 3
Deslauriers, Nicolas 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Lomberg, Ryan 850 000 $850 000 $ AG, AD UFA

18 avr. à 10 h 55

KINGS67

Rejoint: juin 2018

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Rather keep Turcotte unless he’s traded for similar talent. Not a future pick.

Maybe a Turcotte Holtz swap type deal.

18 avr. à 10 h 56

BrianCampbell

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0% Chance Hawks even consider that. Reichel has a higher ceiling and Hawks are stacked on young LHD.

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18 avr. à 10 h 58

SpiderSpiderSpider28

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Quoting: BrianCampbell

0% Chance Hawks even consider that. Reichel has a higher ceiling and Hawks are stacked on young LHD.

I based this value off of a Hawks fan who sold Reichel for a 4th

18 avr. à 10 h 58

SpiderSpiderSpider28

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Quoting: KINGS67

Rather keep Turcotte unless he’s traded for similar talent. Not a future pick.

Maybe a Turcotte Holtz swap type deal.

Is Turcotte waiver eligible next season? Sort of the difference between agreeing with you or thinking that this is a significant overpay

18 avr. à 10 h 59

KINGS67

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Quoting: SpiderSpiderSpider28

Is Turcotte waiver eligible next season?

Hmmm. I don’t think so to be honest.

18 avr. à 11 h 0

exo2769

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Quoting: SpiderSpiderSpider28

I based this value off of a Hawks fan who sold Reichel for a 4th

Clearly not a Hawks fan. We're good with Reichel.

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18 avr. à 11 h 3

SpiderSpiderSpider28

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Quoting: exo2769

Clearly not a Hawks fan. We're good with Reichel.

Nah it was definitely a Hawks fan. I get the whole "one doesn't speak for the whole fanbase" thing though

18 avr. à 11 h 3

GMDannyB

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I don’t see how the TK trade helps either team. We need to continue to stack top talent not trade it 1 for 1 or we still won’t have enough of it. Don’t see Chicago or Kings accepting. And that Ottawa trade stinks for the Flyers they should be getting that for Laughton at minimum without salary coming back to us

18 avr. à 11 h 4

PaulKorea

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Hawks decline. Reichel played really well after his call up a few weeks ago so I don't see the Hawks moving on from him anytime soon unless someone overpays for him.

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mokumboi

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What's the issue with Zemula? It's probably misleading, but every time I watch the Flyers he's pretty solid. I must be missing something.

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#11

SpiderSpiderSpider28

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Quoting: KINGS67

Hmmm. I don’t think so to be honest.

His contract page says he's expected to lose eligibility this upcoming season. Kind of changes the entire dynamic of the trade, if he is waiver eligible he's not even worth a 2nd at this point IMO, if he isn't then yeah I'd be looking for a Holtz swap or something like that

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Even if the Hawks were ready to move on from Reichel (which they aren't), a pint sized LD is the last thing they'd want back in a trade. Easiest of declines.

And funny how you don't see Frost as a good fit playing for Torts, but that Zegras would be.

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BrianCampbell

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Quoting: SpiderSpiderSpider28

I based this value off of a Hawks fan who sold Reichel for a 4th

Everyone has a fan who loves to overreact.

Hawks have nothing but time for Reichel and he's showed he's got what it takes (look at the last 20 games of 22-23). I think it would take a 1st or similar value to get him from the Hawks at this time. Also would have to be an asset other than LHD, they arguably already have their top 2 LHD in a 22 and 19 year old, with 3 other solid prospects left to fight for 3LD or learn to play their offside.

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SpiderSpiderSpider28

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Quoting: mokumboi

What's the issue with Zemula? It's probably misleading, but every time I watch the Flyers he's pretty solid. I must be missing something.

He's... fine. I actually like him as a long term bottom pairing guy, but the problem is we already extended Seeler for that role and I don't think he's good enough to justify being a strong developmental partner for Drysdale. There's also an angle to this where I still think there's fairly untapped potential in Valimaki's game, so I don't consider this giving him away by any stretch

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SpiderSpiderSpider28

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Quoting: Hawksguy81

Jesus, you guys are brutal about the Reichel thing. I took the damn trade idea from a Hawks fan lmao

As for the Frost/Zegras thing, I've realized people grossly misunderstand Tortorella the last couple of years. He's been more than fine with players who don't defend particularly well and play with skill so long as they work hard (which Zegras does, I don't think he gets enough credit for that). Everyone thought he'd hate TK and Tippett, when in reality he absolutely loves both of them. With Frost in particular, he just has a weird bone to pick that I don't think anyone truly understands

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18 avr. à 11 h 29

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mokumboi

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Quoting: SpiderSpiderSpider28

Hmmm. See, I was thinking that Zemula still has untapped potential. What do the Flyers seem to think of Zemula? Could they really move him out?

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GiggywithGibby

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Modifié 18 avr. à 11 h 55

I'd say TK is too old to be the main part of the trade, if we're sending out Zegras, we'd be looking for a piece that'll be around as long as he can. Frost not only doesn't close that gap for us, I don't think he has a home on our roster.

You've got an overabundance of RW, it makes sense to exchange that for a center, but from anaheims POV, it's got to be Foerster or Tippett, and you guys just got Tippett signed to a sweetheart deal, and there'd be a strong preference for Foerster by Anaheim, so the add would be a lot higher on Tippett.

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SpiderSpiderSpider28

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Quoting: GiggywithGibby

What's infuriating from a Flyers fan perspective is that in hindsight (and honestly I said this well before he was extended) Tippett by leaps, bounds, valleys and miles would've made the most sense to trade in a package for a player like Zegras. Like you said, TK has some questions regarding his age and long term fit, and at this point Foerster is simply too good to justify moving (I'm not sure the general public has fully caught on to how good this kid is, I think he's a special player). The long term fit was never there with Tippett, and now we're stuck with more than we know what to do with...

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palhal

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Torts has probably has to go. Has worn out his effectiveness as an NHL coach, which is his gig for the past 15 years.

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SpiderSpiderSpider28

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Quoting: mokumboi

Hmmm. See, I was thinking that Zemula still has untapped potential. What do the Flyers seem to think of Zemula? Could they really move him out?

It's a weird situation with him. I think had we not acquired Drysdale that they'd give him a true chance to develop in that 2LHD role long term, and I think he really can do it. He's a pretty good skater who can shoot the puck well and has size, he's not the best at 1-on-1 physical play and some of his decision making leaves a bit to be desired, but I think that can improve. But now you're in a position where you cannot afford to stick a player who might have growing pains themselves next to Drysdale in a long term role, his ceiling is too high to justify doing anything other than maximizing his ability to develop to the highest degree.

So long answer short: they won't give him away, but if a deal makes sense I don't think they hesitate to trade him

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SpiderSpiderSpider28

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Quoting: palhal

Torts has probably has to go. Has worn out his effectiveness as an NHL coach, which is his gig for the past 15 years.

Careful now, the main Flyers hivemind will come at you with pitchforks and torches for that take

...you're not wrong though

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palhal

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Quoting: SpiderSpiderSpider28

Careful now, the main Flyers hivemind will come at you with pitchforks and torches for that take

Thanks for the advice. Think was safer being a witch in 17th century New England then upsetting some Flyer FANatics and their love for Torts.
With Torts, it's always the same. Starts off being an an effective coach, but he seems he can't adversary. Then it never be any of his fault, it will always be the players fault for not listening to the Great Oz.
He'll be fired, collect his pay. Get a job on TV. Will talk like a genius, knowing how to fix any teams problems. Get's hired by some sucker GM, and the cycle will continue...team after team after team.

...you're not wrong though

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athrin

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OTT passes on Laughton, Scott, he is the most overated player in the NHL

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Roperttos

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Quoting: palhal

Torts has probably has to go. Has worn out his effectiveness as an NHL coach, which is his gig for the past 15 years.

I really don't get this sentiment that Torts is someway bad for the team and needs to be fired. Sure he isn't perfect. but he has done a lot of good for this team already. How has he worn out his effectiveness when he just took the team from the bottom of the league, nearly into the playoffs?

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GiggywithGibby

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Modifié 18 avr. à 13 h 11

Quoting: SpiderSpiderSpider28

I mean, you still can. His trade protection doesn't kick in for a couple of years.

That said, this is also Zegras were talking about, he's also a very special talent.

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