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Armchair-GM
Hier à 15 h 53
Sujet:
Back in the playoffs next season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>liveslaflove</b></div><div>then he can be taken out of the trade, just thought it would be easier for anaheim to let go of cap space while taking on some, to save $ for there young guys.</div></div>
The Ducks have a roster spot that they can give to a defender like Fowler for a year or two. They don't have an open roster spot for a forward. Counting the guys signed and just NHL level RFA's there are 15 players already. Then you've got 3 or 4 more AHL level guys that legitimately could make the roster if there was space. Point being there are already going to be guys cut from the team. Adding forwards like Anderson, Farrell and Ylonen only adds to that mess and so they add little value to any trade.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
lun. à 12 h 31
Sujet:
Redrafting Vegas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Matt1567</b></div><div>well that's a capfriendly problem</div></div>
No worries, I'm having a slow Monday so killing a little time on cap friendly is all I'm after here. And as you can probably tell I'm a little bitter about that draft :-)
Murray wasn't the only GM that was really, really dumb in that process and we all saw the result with Vegas instantly going to the top of the standings and taking only a few years to win a cup. People thinking Seattle was going to enjoy that same level of success were fooling themselves. GM's learned a hard lesson with Vegas and didn't repeat it. Seattle made very few side deals and acquired almost no players that were not exposed to the draft.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
lun. à 12 h 12
Sujet:
Redrafting Vegas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Matt1567</b></div><div>as per bleacher report "All pro players with two or fewer years of NHL experience and unsigned draft picks are protected, but don't count toward the team's final total.", and as of the expansion draft Theodore had played parts of 4 professional seasons, making him eligible to be selected, and since Anaheim chose not to protect him he was available for the taking. The Knight's couldn't have taken Manson, he was protected but as you said it was Mason and Vatanen the ducks were worried about, and Vatanen was left unprotected. Had there not been a side deal, Vatanen likely would've been a golden knight, but drafting the team 7 years later Theodore is the clear choice, and he was eligble to be selected due to his 4 partial professional seasons and being left unprotected, and I didn't make any assumptions that the protection lists would've been different had side deals not been agreed upon.</div></div>
Mason was not protected and Theodore was not available:
https://www.nhl.com/news/protected-list-for-vegas-golden-knights-nhl-expansion-draft-289972722
From that article...
All first- and second-year professionals are <strong>exempt </strong>from selection, as are unsigned draft choices.
The source you quoted calling these guys "protected but not counting towards the team's total" is really strange wording. Much easier to call them exempt, which is what they were. Theodore played 19 games in 15/16 and 34 games in 16/17 for the Ducks prior to the draft. The two seasons he played less than 10 games in the AHL didn't count as his contract slid in those.
An additional part of Murray's bungle here was giving Bieksa, who was washed as a player at that point, a full NMC. All players with such clauses required protecting and that meant the Ducks protected Fowler, Lindholm and Bieksa. Protecting Manson instead of Bieksa would have been an alternate way around trading Theodore but that was not an option.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
lun. à 10 h 21
Sujet:
Redrafting Vegas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Matt1567</b></div><div>While he was traded to Vegas, he was not protected for the expansion draft. My guess is that Anaheim chose to use him as a sweetener to convince Vegas to take Clayton Stoner's contract, and would've traded him had Vegas not agreed to take Stoner, that or they would've worked out a different way to protect him, potentially involving a different side deal with Vegas, but in theory Vegas could've selected Theodore, not Stoner, and broke their deal with Anaheim, screwing them over and ruining their GM's reputation on day one.
You could make the assumption that Theodore wouldn't have ended up in Vegas without a side deal, but I didn't and just selected the best player available, which was Theodore</div></div>
Theodore was exempt from the expansion draft. The Ducks traded him to Vegas so they would take Stoner as you said, but the two guys they were afraid to lose were Josh Manson and/or Sami Vatanen. Theodore was a side deal and your "rules" in the description was no side deals is all I'm saying. The Knights would have taken Manson in the draft.
This is one of the biggest bungles that Bob Murray ever did as a GM and is one of the primary reasons the Ducks are in the bottom feeder state they are in.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
dim. à 19 h 21
Sujet:
Redrafting Vegas
>> I also put this team together assuming there were no side deals being done,
If that's the case then you can't have Theodore. He was traded to Vegas, not selected in the expansion draft.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
sam. à 15 h 32
Sujet:
Zegras on a heater
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeneralLandro</b></div><div>That’s hilarious because that same BS happens now because Cronin even said he holds Z to a different standard so that is just inaccurate</div></div>
“He can play to a higher standard than most guys can offensively, and that when he competes away from the puck, he just brings his game to a higher level, and I think it’s inspiring for his teammates to see,” Cronin said. “When he does things naturally well offensively, I think it gives guys confidence, and then when he puts the same investment in defensively, he becomes a role model.”
We can let Cronin speak for himself. All of this Anaheim wants to trade Zegras coming out of Montreal and other places where they incidentally would love to add Zegras is such nonsense.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
ven. à 16 h 27
Sujet:
Offseason Plan
You've got 21 man roster at 79M where four of those roster spots are filled with 1M placeholders. Your cap isn't going to work when you plug actual 3-5M AAV players into those spots. It would be a lot more realistic if you tried to plug in reasonable AAV values for these place holders.
top 6 winger 5M
top 4 defense man 5M
starting goalie 5M
3rd line forward 3M
Make the cap work with 18M spent instead of the ridiculous notion of 4M on those players. Then realize you'll probably have to set your sights on lower quality players or players on ELCs
Forum:
Armchair-GM
jeu. à 12 h 10
Sujet:
Who to target
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>
Florida just absolutely botched his contract, he should be at most a 2 million dollar goalie right now.</div></div>
To put that in perspective Dostal makes ~800k this year and next. That's what a 22-23 yr old trying to break into the league should be making. Knight at 4.5M is utterly ridiculous.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
jeu. à 10 h 22
Sujet:
Who to target
The Panthers F'ed up hard giving Knight a 4.5M AAV contract while he's essentially an AHL goalie. Regardless of his upside to become an NHL 1A/B I find it really hard to think any team wants to pay him that contract he's on right now. And it locks that team into paying him that much or more on his next contract.
Said simply that's a no from the Ducks. If they trade Gibson, and that's a big if, there will be cheaper options to share the crease with Dostal.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
jeu. à 10 h 11
Sujet:
Quebec to Colorado type season
If Zegras is going to the Yotes then Cooley is coming back in the trade. Otherwise we can just agree that you keep your guy and we'll keep ours.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
jeu. à 10 h 6
Sujet:
Moving Krug
The Ducks signed Killorn for a few very good resaons - secondary scoring, veteran leaderships, etc. None of those reasons include being trade bait for an unwanted and undersized defenseman.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 avr. à 19 h 9
Sujet:
What is the price
It's not about getting "more" in a Zegras trade. The bottom line is not one of those four pieces makes Anaheim a better team. Why would Verbeek make a trade that with zero doubt makes the team worse?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 avr. à 18 h 17
Sujet:
Whos Gone
I'm not going any where near Laine from an Anaheim perspective. Already 25 yrs old and making nearly 9M AAV is a massive gamble for a guy that has been very recently in the player's assistance program.
What's the best case here? Probably that Laine plays as good as Zegras next season. If that's the case this is a huge "L" for the Ducks given he's an older player making way more money.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
8 avr. à 10 h 58
Sujet:
Blehh
Dostal has played 41 games already this season and he might play the rest from here to the end. I can guarantee you that if Anaheim trades Gibson they want a goalie coming back with fewer years on his contract than Gibson has. Not more. They might not want a goalie back in the deal at all.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
8 avr. à 10 h 41
Sujet:
Ifnt this yr then next yr
That's an extremely easy no for the Ducks. Kulak blocks better, younger LHD like Zellweger and Savoie is a C prospect no better than 8 kids that the Ducks already have.
Lundestrom is an underrated player because his offensive numbers are low and he's coming back from that summer Achilles injury. You're not going to get him for this crap offer and either way his qualifying offer is 1.8M so there is zero reason for him to sign a contract for 1M. He'll get paid double that and then Edmonton's cap doesn't work.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
8 avr. à 10 h 29
Sujet:
How to move in draft and summer
The Ducks are extremely high on Luneau so you'd have to offer up a lot better than that to pry that kid out of Anaheim. They traded Drysdale in part because they have Luneau.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
5 avr. à 10 h 26
Sujet:
This has to be better
Not very likely you can get a 3rd for Maata. A very similar caliber player on a very similar salary (1yr x 3M) was Lyubushkin last season and he went for a yr delayed 4th. Boosh is also a right hand shot which is a premium in the NHL, they are just worth more than lefties.
Dumping Copp for a only 3rd is delusional, especially so because of the trade protection he has.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
3 avr. à 16 h 59
Sujet:
Draft day capital
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>
I can see one obscure scenario where this might happen: Ducks pick third and Celebrini/Levshunov go 1-2, and the two Montreal firsts (2024 and 2025) are the compensation for the move back.</div></div>
Hey, anything can happen. A lot of my thought process on this comes from watching Verbeek conduct the last two drafts. He clearly has his list and will take the top guy on it and that list may not match the consensus that floats around. Carlsson vs Fantilli. Mintyukov at 10. Myatovic so early in the 2nd. Picks like those are what I'm talking about.
The other thing is the last time a top 3 pick was traded that was known to be a top 3 pick was like what, a decade ago? I honestly don't remember other than it was a long time ago.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
3 avr. à 16 h 50
Sujet:
Draft day capital
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MTLaveragefan</b></div><div>
Although, I'm suprised with Ducks fan - They have so much talent upfront and on the back end - I would see them make a switch towards getting a "gamer" like Iginla to balance talent with Grit... and getting paid for it. </div></div>
Gamers as you call them are just easier to get. McTavish is one already on the Ducks and we'll see about Gauthier and Gaucher. Just from those three guys I'd say the need for gamers is not any greater than the need for uber talents.
The other point I'd make is that if these trades are "fair value" then the Ducks aren't getting paid to do anything. They are exchanging one asset worth a lot for a collection of smaller assets worth less individually. How is that getting paid?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
3 avr. à 11 h 11
Sujet:
Draft day capital
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MTLaveragefan</b></div><div>I guess it depends who they are targeting and how they value them.
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The Ducks biggest need right now is game breaking top end talent. It doesn't really matter so much if that comes from a forward or a defenseman so they can take BPA at #3. Why risk losing the guy they want by dropping down to #6.
Tuch is kind of on par with Colangelo. Barron is a middle pair guy at best. The 2nd is redundant with the three other picks they have in the 1st and 2nd round. You aren't giving them anything they "need" here. Honestly the play for the Ducks should be trying to trade the Edmonton 1st up in the draft.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
3 avr. à 10 h 33
Sujet:
Draft day capital
Ducks would have zero interest in dropping from 3 to 6.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
30 mars à 14 h 17
Sujet:
Anaheim Ducks Remake
A whole lot of nonsense going on there but I'll key in on one trade in particular. Vaakanainen is far better than Benoit so there is zero chance that the Ducks do that one. Lagesson is also a UFA FWIW. If Toronto wants him they can just sign him to a contract.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
28 mars à 21 h 2
Sujet:
summer connections
Pageau is a pure cap dump to the Ducks. Attach a 1st round pick and they *might* eat that 7.5M in actual dollars over 2 seasons for you. But I doubt it the Ducks are small market, small revenue. They pay the players that they want not the players you *don't* want.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
28 mars à 14 h 21
Sujet:
2025
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>Am I the only one who thinks Montour is a mid 2nd pairing D who happened to have one outlier year?</div></div>
Don't know about that, but I do know from our previous exchanges that I like him a whole lot more than you do. I will admit that for him to get 7+ M on his next contract he needs to crush it in the post season. We'll see on that.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
28 mars à 10 h 38
Sujet:
2025
The Ducks are not trading Gibson to end up with Bob. If the team doesn't want an old, expensive starter why would they maneuver into an even older, more expensive guy? That makes zero sense.
As far as Ekblad goes, he's 28 and one year away from being a UFA. He's the last type of player the Ducks would trade a 22 yr-old for. They'll take a rebuilding team approach this summer and either let the kids play or find a UFA to fill in the gap. I would throw a lot of money at Montour if I was in Verbeek's chair. I'd pay him a heck of a lot more than 5.5M that is for sure.
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