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What exactly do the Flames want from the Devils in a trade for Jacob Markstrom

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Équipe: 2023-24 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 13 févr. 2024
Publié: 13 févr. 2024
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It's not exactly clear to me.


The closest comparables that I can find for Markstrom are the trades for Darcy Kuemper, Frederik Andersen, Cory Schneider and Semyon Varlamov.
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    What exactly would the Flames want from the Devils in a trade for Jacob Markstrom ?


    If you could let me know in the comments, that would be awesome :)
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    13 févr. à 9 h 52
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    Probably want a guy like Mercer or Casey Seamus + to retain what the devils need
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    If I'm CGY I'd want a 1st, top prospect and Schmid.
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    Quoting: Altar7358
    Probably want a guy like Mercer or Casey Seamus + to retain what the devils need


    Agree with this, CGY wouldn;t take a haul but maybe Mercer or Holtz and a 1st and theyd take Vancek cap hit off your hands. Or 1 of Holtz or Mercer and Siegenthaler maybe?
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    Holtz, 2024 First, 2025 First, 2024 Third for Marky 50% retained. Nothing less, Marky has proven he’s one of the best in the league and should be treated in a trade as such.
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    mercer 1st and vanecek with a 3rd-4th to take back vanecek
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    If I'm CGY I'd want a 1st, top prospect and Schmid.


    Just utterly preposterous
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    Agree with this, CGY wouldn;t take a haul but maybe Mercer or Holtz and a 1st and theyd take Vancek cap hit off your hands. Or 1 of Holtz or Mercer and Siegenthaler maybe?


    Goalies do not get these returns. Come on.
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    Quoting: MyTeamsSuck
    Holtz, 2024 First, 2025 First, 2024 Third, Bahl for Marky 50% retained. Nothing less, Marky has proven he’s one of the best in the league and should be treated in a trade as such.


    Holy crap
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    Goalies do not get these returns. Come on.


    Maybe not, but dont think its outside the realm and NJD dont have a 2nd. I'd think a good prospect and a bit more like a 2nd or 3rd based on NJD pressure to perform this year.

    NJD dont have a 2nd and need to move a bit of cap, so good prospect and a 3rd, becomes good prospect, cap (Vanecek) and a 1st. And based on the lineup above Holtz or Mercer is easily replaced.
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    Just utterly preposterous


    How so?
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    Holy crap


    It may seem like a lot on the surface, but in reality you’re giving a top prospect, a third and a first for a Vézina candidate goaltender and then the late first in 2025 for retention. I don’t think that’s crazy.
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    Just utterly preposterous


    How 😂. Vézina candidate goaltender for a first, top prospect and a young goaltender that might never reach the heights Marky has reached. Seems like a no brainer, especially NJ.
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    Quoting: MyTeamsSuck
    How 😂. Vézina candidate goaltender for a first, top prospect and a young goaltender that might never reach the heights Marky has reached. Seems like a no brainer, especially NJ.


    Please list every goalie ever that has gotten 2 firsts in a trade, forgetting everything else.

    He's recieved vezina votes 3 times in 13+ seasons btw
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    Please list every goalie ever that has gotten 2 firsts in a trade, forgetting everything else.

    He's recieved vezina votes 3 times in 13+ seasons btw


    He’s Vézina caliber now, and is playing like the best goalie in the league as of late. A first, top prospect + is the least I’d expect from a trade including Marky. Everybody is so hung up on last season saying “he showed his true colours” or some bs like that when the truth is he’s truly one of the best goaltenders in the league, year in and year out and has carried his team to a potential wildcard spot when we should be tanking.

    Is it likely he’d get 2 firsts, no, but is it any more likely that Conroy will trade him, also no.
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    Some of the responses are crazy here.

    I would accept just Mercer for sure. No additional pieces, nothing fancy and would be willing to retain.

    If Jersey wanted to send back cap dumps I would want more though.
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    What CGY wants: Mercer+Nemec+1st
    What CGY asking for: Mercer or Nemec+1st
    What CGY going to get: 0

    Markstrom hasn't been asked to waive, Devils haven't made offer, Flames will not retain any salary

    Its not happening
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    Quoting: Flames1217
    Some of the responses are crazy here.

    I would accept just Mercer for sure. No additional pieces, nothing fancy and would be willing to retain.

    If Jersey wanted to send back cap dumps I would want more though.


    Is Mercer really any better than someone like Zary though? To lose our #1 Star goaltender for a guy that plays maybe a little better than our rookie and can be invisible at times would honestly be a travesty. He plays with one of if not the best top 6 in the league and puts up the same amount of points as Zary. Is he good, yes, is he good enough to warrant a top 5 goalie in the league rn, no.
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    Holy crap


    These are packages I wouldn't trade for any goalie in the league and they're being thrown around like it's nothing.

    34 year old
    6 mill AAV
    full NMC

    Remember when MAF won the Vezina and was traded for literally nothing because he was, checks notes, old with a massive cap hit
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    Is Mercer really any better than someone like Zary though? To lose our #1 Star goaltender for a guy that plays maybe a little better than our rookie and can be invisible at times would honestly be a travesty. He plays with one of if not the best top 6 in the league and puts up the same amount of points as Zary. Is he good, yes, is he good enough to warrant a top 5 goalie in the league rn, no.


    We would not trade you Mercer unless it was for Hanifin 50% retained AND Markstrom 50% retained.
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    Varlamov Schneider and Andersen were all in their mid 20s. 34 year old has a lot less value
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    Quoting: MyTeamsSuck
    Is Mercer really any better than someone like Zary though? To lose our #1 Star goaltender for a guy that plays maybe a little better than our rookie and can be invisible at times would honestly be a travesty. He plays with one of if not the best top 6 in the league and puts up the same amount of points as Zary. Is he good, yes, is he good enough to warrant a top 5 goalie in the league rn, no.


    It's not what we need now, it's what we need in 2-3 seasons.

    If Wolf continues to dominate he should be a bonafide starter in 2-3 seasons, at that point would you rather have Mercer and Wolf or just Wolf. Markstom isn't sticking around at point anyway.

    New Jersey needs a Goalie now, we need a young centre/winger with top 6 potential.
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    Maybe not, but dont think its outside the realm and NJD dont have a 2nd. I'd think a good prospect and a bit more like a 2nd or 3rd based on NJD pressure to perform this year.

    NJD dont have a 2nd and need to move a bit of cap, so good prospect and a 3rd, becomes good prospect, cap (Vanecek) and a 1st. And based on the lineup above Holtz or Mercer is easily replaced.


    Mercer and Holtz are not on the table hope this helps.
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    Quoting: Flames1217
    It's not what we need now, it's what we need in 2-3 seasons.

    If Wolf continues to dominate he should be a bonafide starter in 2-3 seasons, at that point would you rather have Mercer and Wolf or just Wolf. Markstom isn't sticking around at point anyway.

    New Jersey needs a Goalie now, we need a young centre/winger with top 6 potential.


    Imo Zary is that guy
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    Quoting: Flames1217
    It's not what we need now, it's what we need in 2-3 seasons.

    If Wolf continues to dominate he should be a bonafide starter in 2-3 seasons, at that point would you rather have Mercer and Wolf or just Wolf. Markstom isn't sticking around at point anyway.

    New Jersey needs a Goalie now, we need a young centre/winger with top 6 potential.


    NJD is not offering Mercer even if you retain 50%, hope this helps make your decision easier.

    List of goalies I'd include mercer in a trade for:
    Jeremy Swayman
    Jake Oettinger
    Ilya Sorokin
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    Quoting: MyTeamsSuck
    Imo Zary is that guy


    There are 6 players in the top 6, Zary only takes up one spot.

    Huberdeau will still be there and hopefully so will Coronato.

    There is room for sure and Mercer could take up one of the available spots for the next decade.
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