Hawks decline.

Lol, I purposely made this an overpayment that would be a no brainer for the Hawks. You decline because someone tried to trade for a Blackhawks player, "the Hawks" do not decline because they have a basic level of competence.

Even if it's just 1mil, I don't see a world in which the Hawks retain for 6years

Doubt Jarnkrok is available, at least everything I’ve heard said he isn’t. Leafs love him as a guy that can go up and down the lineup when needed and still be a defensively responsible player.

Also doubt Brodie wouldn’t have Philly on his no trade list (I actually know him personally so I might try to find out). But I still don’t think Toronto or Philly do that deal. Just kinda seems like you’re making a deal just to make a deal, doesn’t really add anything for either team.

Your other comment about the Chicago is correct - it’s an overpayment by Toronto and I don’t think they want any part of Seth Jones. He’s not responsible in his own end enough or physical enough which doesn’t fit what Treliving likes in a defenceman.

This combination of moves creates assets and cap space that allow us to improve the team overall. The flyers could keep Brodie if he's willing to play for them, or flip him to a 3rd team if not. The Leafs backend lacks size, physicality, mobility and offense from the point. These moves address all of that. Yes Jones is responsible in his own end and yes he's physical, he's literally the current leader in ATOI during the playoffs among active players and was the #1 shutdown D who helped SWEEP one of the best regular season teams of all time in tampa, when he was 23 and had 22 year old Werenski as his D partner. To prove that wasn't a fluke, he followed that up by being the #1 shutdown D who helped shutout one of the league's best offensive teams (the Leafs) in game 5 of the play-ins. He plays in every situation and is everything the Leafs need come playoff time.

If you don't think we improve our chances in the playoffs by replacing Brodie, Liljegren and Jarnkrok with Jones at 7 x 8.5, Risto at 4 x 2.5, Seeler at league min and Raddysh as an RFA making league min, then respectfully, I don't think you know what's needed to win come playoff time. The last 7 years of embarrassing playoff failures should be a good clue....

What would you say if the hawks ask for Reilly with 1m retention and Jarnkrok with 50% retention for a first, a third, Ethan Del Mastro, Dach and Vlasic?

Zero chance the Flyers do that deal. Seeler is worth a 3rd so essentially we are taking back a salary dump and retaining 4 years on Risto for a 5th. No chance, we would need a much better pick to make that happen.

If I was in the position the Hawks are in now? Uh, yes? Moot point because Rielly is not overpaid and is already 2 mil less than Seth Jones, but if you're trying to show you have something to prove you're doing a poor job of it....

Leafs would be infinitely better to have 11.5m in cap next season instead of Risto and Jones.....plus they get to keep a years worth of picks, Niemela, Liljegren and more.

Jones wont waive for Canada and hawks wont retain for 7 years at any amount

Brodie is worth a 3rd and a 5th at least. So you're retaining 2.55 mil on risto for 4 years for at the very least a 3rd and a 5th, better than retaining 3.57 mil for 4 years of Kevin Hayes for a 6th, no?

You would lose a retention spot for 7 years when you are rebuilding? That is a bad way

No, they wouldn't. Risto would already be great value at 2.5 and Jones is easily worth 8.5 already, before both even join a team like the Leafs. As the Cap goes up, that value only increases for a team like the Leafs, who's window of contention is right now...

Yep, you have 3 of them!

No evidence to support either of these statements. When does this nonsense about playing in Canada become discrimination? Covid is over, the borders are open. Regardless, this never applied to Jones in the first place.

This isnt an overpayment.

Hirvonen looked underwhelming in the few preseason games. I heard his bell is still ringing from that hit he took.

Lil J is a serviceable d man, but Chicago has more young D than you can shake a stick at.

You don't have to get butt hurt about Chicago fans not wanting Toronto's scrap parts.

And usually, you use them on your ufas to maximize their value. You usually have around 3 ufas per year

Give it a rest buddy. Hirvonen is a top 9 lock with top 6 potential, and did you actually hear that? Doubtful. Liljegren is already close to being a top 4 D man and Niemela won defenseman of the of WJC and has top 4 offensive potential as well. Not to mention the 1st and 3rd, nor the fact that Jones does not fit your window of contention and would be most valuable to you now. This trade is comparable to what you gave up to get Jones from CBJ, when he was younger and you had yet to overpay him.

Referring to these pieces as "scrap parts" makes you look nothing more than ignorant, but well done.

Are there any UFAs who would bring back a better return, or who would be more of a hindrance on their cap by the time they're ready to compete? No. It's not an issue, as much as you want to make it one for the sake of being critical.

If you have dozen eggs in the fridge and someone offers you more eggs, you probably wont be interested..

Great analogy, let's tweak it a bit. If you have a dozen eggs in the fridge, but they've gone rotten by the time you're ready to eat them, you'd probably be interested in trading those rotten eggs for a dozen fresh ones. How we doing? You understanding the concept of a scorched earth rebuild and the timeline that precludes?

It doesn't make any sense to retain 2.55M on a player that has improved under the new coaching staff for 4 years when the team is rebuilding. Hayes was no longer a fit within the team or with the front office and getting him off the team, as well as freeing up half his contract was worth it. Risto fits into the team's outlook for the short term and potentially the long term. Even if they flipped Brodie, it still wouldn't be worth it.

Raddysh alone would get a first…

So Much hostility.

Chicago has 4 NHL dmen under 22 on their roster, with two others in the AHL that have NHL potential (Allen and Del Mastro) so the D men in the proposed trade probably aren't the guys Chicago is going after.

With all those young guys having Jones at 9.5 isnt really an issue right now.

Moving pieces they dont need to move for pieces they dont want.

When people say 'No" to a trade I get that its frustrating but I'm giving you specific information about why I don't want Chicago to do this deal.

You understanding these pieces dont fit with Chicagos needs?