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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #2: Early Overreactions

5 déc. 2023 à 7 h 21
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Ovi is cooked
5 déc. 2023 à 10 h 18
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
around 3 or 4 maybe...

1. McDavid/Draisaitl
2. MacKinnon/Rantanen
3. Tkachuk/Barkov
4. Kucherov/Point
5. Hughes/Bratt
6. Matthews/Marner
7. Pettersson/Miller

(assuming forwards only)


When did Tkachuk and Barkov play together? When did Matthews/Marner's ranking get worse despite being a very effective PK unit? Since when did Brett and Hughes surpass Petey/Miller and Matthews/Marner? When was it not Hughes/Petey and Mack/Makar?
5 déc. 2023 à 11 h 51
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Just when Ottawa has a good night defensively and in net, now Chabot is out again. I do think he is the lynchpin to that teams ability to play decent defense. Without him it falls apart quickly.

Markstrom out for several weeks in Calgary with broken finger; let the sell-off begin and time to see if Vladar can be decent so they can trade him too then turn the reigns over to Wolf.

I really do think Arizona is a buyer that we are all sleeping on. The have massive amount of cap space (since the didn't park any of those contracts on LTIR yet) and real playoff chance this year. They have tons of draft capital and a pretty deep pool of forward prospects. With most shoppers on the blueline market being cap-strapped and/or asset poor; they could make some big noise if they want to jumpstart their on-ice rebuild (and they should in my opinion). A playoff push would be the perfect timing for that franchise to gain momentum for an arena deal too.
5 déc. 2023 à 12 h 4
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Ovi is cooked


Washington should be on the phone with San Jose about Logan Couture as soon as he is approaching healthy. All he is going to do is make the Sharks better (counter to their tanking strategy) and age out before they get good again.

Couture feeding Ovechkin for his last few years chasing the record books and being a fringe playoff team has to be better than what he faces otherwise so I wonder if he would waive for them.

It can work cap-wise with Backstrom on LTIR and/or Kuznetsov or Mantha going back the other way and no Sharks retention (the have 1 last slot).
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5 déc. 2023 à 13 h 13
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When did Tkachuk and Barkov play together? When did Matthews/Marner's ranking get worse despite being a very effective PK unit? Since when did Brett and Hughes surpass Petey/Miller and Matthews/Marner? When was it not Hughes/Petey and Mack/Makar?


When were the rules stated? When did we start including dmen? Are they supposed to be linemates? Who is Brett?
5 déc. 2023 à 13 h 17
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When were the rules stated? When did we start including dmen? Are they supposed to be linemates? Who is Brett?


My bad on the Dmen, and it's Bratt not Brett...

But top 7 is more like:
McDavid/Drai
Mack/Rant
Matthews/Marner
Kucherov/Point
Pettersson/Miller
Hughes/Bratt
5 déc. 2023 à 14 h 8
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https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1732112707049095288

What's up with Broberg? I know the leagues changing, but it still seems wild to me to be seeking a trade while still on your ELC.
5 déc. 2023 à 14 h 29
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Quoting: Turbo
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1732112707049095288

What's up with Broberg? I know the leagues changing, but it still seems wild to me to be seeking a trade while still on your ELC.


Its happened before

Look at Lundqvist he asked to be traded cause he knew of NYR abundance of RD and now hes with Dallas

Heinola has tried but nobody wants him

Lets see what happens. I think there will be a market its just gonna be the ask

As the way EDM has deployed him idk if the value is up there. The main positives are his age and potential
5 déc. 2023 à 18 h 22
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
around 3 or 4 maybe...

1. McDavid/Draisaitl
2. MacKinnon/Rantanen
3. Tkachuk/Barkov
4. Kucherov/Point
5. Hughes/Bratt
6. Matthews/Marner
7. Pettersson/Miller

(assuming forwards only)


Robertson/ Pavs (Add in with whoever Hintz you choose) robbed
5 déc. 2023 à 22 h 39
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Hertl Granlund Duclair - just killing it, Eklund dominates.
What a great result for the guys, and Eklund puts it together for a special/ fun game for him.
5 déc. 2023 à 23 h 57
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Quoting: Turbo
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1732112707049095288

What's up with Broberg? I know the leagues changing, but it still seems wild to me to be seeking a trade while still on your ELC.


Only 10 games this season and due for a contract, he's not going to see a significant raise or term unless he can put together a strong remainder of the season.
He's not going to accomplish that in Edmonton with their focus being on making the playoffs, not if he's lost the confidence of the staff.
5 déc. 2023 à 23 h 59
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https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1732112707049095288

What's up with Broberg? I know the leagues changing, but it still seems wild to me to be seeking a trade while still on your ELC.


It worked out for Kravtsov

(and Lias Andersson)
6 déc. 2023 à 1 h 35
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So I guess the Wilds problem was the coach

Since firing 4-0

18 GF and 5 GA
6 déc. 2023 à 7 h 56
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So I guess the Wilds problem was the coach

Since firing 4-0

18 GF and 5 GA


It is very early to say that, teams have regularly gone on hot streaks after firing coaches only to fall back to mid
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6 déc. 2023 à 10 h 22
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So I guess the Wilds problem was the coach

Since firing 4-0

18 GF and 5 GA


Quoting: A_Habs_fan
It is very early to say that, teams have regularly gone on hot streaks after firing coaches only to fall back to mid


I thought Bruce Boudreau brought up a good point in the Jeff Marek podcast the other day about mid-season coaching changes. Basically he said that the pressure on the team about the season begins to weigh so much on everyone that it kind of cripples everyone; when the coaching change occurs it takes the pressure off and there is a new reset to expectations and the conversation shifts to the new coach. This also is a "look in the mirror" moment for the players so you see them really challenge themselves to be better.

In any case, whether or not it really sticks we'll know be end of the year; or if they face some uncertainty how do they respond.
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6 déc. 2023 à 12 h 27
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Quoting: aadoyle
So I guess the Wilds problem was the coach

Since firing 4-0

18 GF and 5 GA


Remember when Boudreau fixed the Canucks?
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6 déc. 2023 à 13 h 4
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So I guess the Wilds problem was the coach

Since firing 4-0

18 GF and 5 GA


John Hynes has the shelf life of milk
6 déc. 2023 à 13 h 36
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Klingbergs done for the season

https://twitter.com/joshuakloke/status/1732466697792102868
6 déc. 2023 à 17 h 23
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Do you mean like linemate duos or just 2 guys on a team?


Was thinking two forwards on the same line. Or a defensive pair I guess would still would as a duo.
6 déc. 2023 à 17 h 58
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John Hynes has the shelf life of milk


True but who knows. Minny is a weird team and maybe hes exactly what they needed

As we have seen it happen before

Either way so far so good as everything be clicking. Now if its the honeymoon how long as the real test will come after their first loss
6 déc. 2023 à 18 h 21
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Modifié 6 déc. 2023 à 19 h 8
The funniest thing about the whole Broberg situation is the fact last year EDM could have got Chycrun in a deal involving him. But Holland said he was a non starter

Now we fast forward and seems ORG and player are at a crossroads

Thats another tick for Holland in the bad section

And now its like okay hes up this summer can you trust him to make good trades before either extending or leaving
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6 déc. 2023 à 19 h 17
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That’s all good that you have an opinion but Hughes has already stated his opinion over and over which is that he will NOT put Primeau on waivers.

It’s more disrespectful not to give Allen options as Allen is a better trade target if he can go through waivers. If he had a NMC that is a different story.


Didn't want to clutter a Montembeault thread with Allen conversation so I'm responding here.

That would only apply if a team wanted to stash a 3rd string goaltender in the minors. Nobody is going to take over a $3M cap hit for their 3rd string goaltender.
Teams that want him will want him as a #2 that they can turn to as a starter if their #1 struggles or is injured.

Hughes has already shown (and I approve) that he will do his best to find a solution the player and the team can be satisfied with.
Waiving is an option in the end, but all other avenues will be exhausted first.

Right now it feels like the goalie market is waiting on Edmonton's decision with regards to their goaltending dilemma. They are expected to be the team most willing to pay/overpay in a trade.
Once they make a move, we'll likely see a couple of goaltenders in new homes (or waived). Teams are trying to avoid waiving goaltenders knowing that there are a few teams out there willing to take a chance on a claim.
Currently there are a few teams where Allen could be considered an upgrade over their current options, that also see themselves as playoff teams. Until those teams are out of the running for a goaltending addition, it's better to keep Allen active in the NHL where some good performances can push trade discussions over the line.
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6 déc. 2023 à 19 h 44
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When did Tkachuk and Barkov play together? When did Matthews/Marner's ranking get worse despite being a very effective PK unit? Since when did Brett and Hughes surpass Petey/Miller and Matthews/Marner? When was it not Hughes/Petey and Mack/Makar?


Because Jack Hughes has been the best player in hockey this year
6 déc. 2023 à 21 h 17
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The funniest thing about the whole Broberg situation is the fact last year EDM could have got Chycrun in a deal involving him. But Holland said he was a non starter

Now we fast forward and seems ORG and player are at a crossroads

Thats another tick for Holland in the bad section

And now its like okay hes up this summer can you trust him to make good trades before either extending or leaving


Holland going all in with McDrai is going to be one of those what if scenario that gets talked about for decades because everyone has been screaming at Holland to help McDrai and he's just not
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6 déc. 2023 à 22 h 8
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Holland going all in with McDrai is going to be one of those what if scenario that gets talked about for decades because everyone has been screaming at Holland to help McDrai and he's just not


Yep

As the issue rn is can you trust him to make moves as he is up this summer

Like he could royally **** up then run
 
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