What is the best Monahan trade for Habs

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Créé par: KentMcNally

Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal

Date de création initiale: 14 nov. 2023

Publié: 14 nov. 2023

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I am wondering where Monahan should go in a situation that helps both teams, but my biggest concern is helping Montreal. Retention is an option for Montreal, as is taking back a contract from another team to make it work financially.

I know some will say that Montreal should keep Monahan, but that is not the point of this post. I am just wondering about trades.

I think that Hughes should try to get a first round pick for him. Obviously a team that misses the playoffs would be best, so that the draft pick is a lottery pick. After that, hopefully a team that goes out in the 1st round (so that it is at least top 24).

Looking at those types of teams I would think the following would be good fist for a Monahan trade for a 1st round pick:

New York Islanders (potentially a playoff bubble team (although that does not look good now) that does not score much right now and could use some offensive punch to the lineup. My concern would be that if they (somehow) made the playoffs this year the Sorokin could carry them a round or two, which would lower the Habs' pick).

Pittsburgh (another bubble playoff team that is in the middle of the pack in scoring for some reason). I know this would have to be a 2025 pick, since the Penguins do not have a 2024 first round pick, but maybe Pittsburgh will be on the outside looking in next year as well.

Anaheim (close to a playoff position right now. Are they willing to make a push after years of not being good and consistently missing the playoffs?)

Washington (bubble playoff team that could use a Backstrom replacement (sort of, not saying Monahan is as good as Backstrom was)

St. Louis (low scoring team that is in a playoff position right now. Maybe they want to make a run at the playoffs while Binnington has seemingly bounced back this year).

I think Montreal would be willing to add a "B" or "C" prospect f if it is necessary to get a first round pick from one of the playoff bubble teams, as they probably value their first round picks highly, given their situations.

What else should the Habs add to the trades (reasonably speaking) to make them happen?

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Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NYI)

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Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (PIT)

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Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (WSH)

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14 nov. 2023 à 14 h 34

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One stl laughs at that
Two a first is way too pay for a guy whod be on there 3rd line wing or 4th line center

How about a 3rd

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14 nov. 2023 à 14 h 42

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Quoting: xercuses

One stl laughs at that
Two a first is way too pay for a guy whod be on there 3rd line wing or 4th line center

How about a 3rd

tell me how much tdl teams spend for such 3rd liner :P !

14 nov. 2023 à 14 h 47

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Islanders make zero sense. Not paying a premium for another center who cannot stay healthy and doesnt fit what we need whatsoever.

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14 nov. 2023 à 14 h 47

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The Monahan for a 1st dream is so funny to me, I'd be shocked if he gets that return.

Obviously he has a massive track record of injuries, so what playoff team is going to rely on him to be available through a playoff grind?

He also has half his points on the powerplay, where he wouldn't get a sniff on other teams.

A team acquiring him would be getting him as an injury-prone bottom 6 center with limited penalty kill experience (only ever PKd in MTL). I don't see teams giving up a 1st for that/

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14 nov. 2023 à 14 h 56

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lol Caps are not paying a 1st for Monahan, probably no one will, but def not the Caps.

14 nov. 2023 à 15 h 11

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I wasn’t even going to post, but I can’t just not reply with the only takes here being so off. I think any of those teams would be excellent to target. A 2025 pick might actually end up being the best result I’d want that from Pittsburgh, Washington or Islanders as I think they’ll continue on the decline. He is absolutely worth a first round pick, saying anything to the contrary is laughable. Just look at what goes for a 1st at the deadline. There’s absolutely no way he goes for less than that.

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14 nov. 2023 à 15 h 23

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Blues don't have a need for Monahan. We have Thomas/Schenn/Hayes down the middle. We are retooling so getting a rental doesn't make sense

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14 nov. 2023 à 15 h 28

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Any pick you get for monahan likely has conditions that require him staying healthy, and any conditions will almost certainly guarantee you don't receive a lottery 1st in any scenario

Eg: conditional 2nd that turns into a 1st if team makes playoffs and monahan plays so and so % of games.

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14 nov. 2023 à 15 h 31

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yes and he is too important to montreal to trade him for less than a first. so i think we just hang unto him in that case and maybe re-sign him to a 2 or 3 year contract. He is playing awesome for us and we value him more than others do maybe.... when he went down last year so did our season.. However 2nd round or third round picks we have plently of those and b prospects don't need any more!!

14 nov. 2023 à 15 h 33

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Quoting: YesThisIsFlo

The numbers look pretty but nobody else is giving sean monahan 4.5 minutes of PP time a game

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14 nov. 2023 à 15 h 33

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Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover

Islanders make zero sense. Not paying a premium for another center who cannot stay healthy and doesnt fit what we need whatsoever.

I agree about the health concerns. It would be a risk to take him. But he is playing very well.

The Islanders are the second lowest in the NHL in goals per game. They should definitely look at getting a guy who has 0.86 points per game this year. Monahan's 13 points this year is more than anyone on the Islanders. Are they just going to let another year of Sorokin go by without taking a swing at improving??

14 nov. 2023 à 15 h 34

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Quoting: westcoasthabslifer

Quoting: YesThisIsFlo

Cmon man. One 5on5 goal in 15 games doesn’t do it for ya?

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14 nov. 2023 à 15 h 40

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Quoting: dgibb10

I kind of agree with what you are saying about conditions being put on the pick, that makes some sense. I do not agree that it would be impossible to get a lottery draft pick for Monahan. The draft lottery odds for the 10th worst team winning #1 overall are 3.5%, which is not high. So, what would likely happen if a team like the Islanders trade for Monahan (who put up points and is great in the faceoffs-- but does have injury concerns) and falls out of the playoff race is that they would be giving up a position between 10 and 16 in the draft. This is not horrible for a shot at making the playoffs and going on a run once they are in there.

14 nov. 2023 à 15 h 45

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Verbeek isn’t giving up a 1st round pick for a rental

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14 nov. 2023 à 15 h 45

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Quoting: Newgod77

Cmon man. One 5on5 goal in 15 games doesn’t do it for ya?

You can say what you said and i can argue that a team that is struggling to make the playoffs needs a player who is very good on special teams and faceoffs. I did not try to insert Monahan as the 2nd line center in L.A. or Edmonton. I am suggesting sending him to a team that needs a boost to make the playoffs but is not likely to give up the 1st overall pick (by any means) if they do not make it.

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14 nov. 2023 à 15 h 51

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Quoting: GeneralLandro

Verbeek isn’t giving up a 1st round pick for a rental

So if Anaheim is battling for a playoff spot for the first time in 6 years there is no possibility that they would look at adding Monahan (assuming he is still healthy and productive at the deadline) to try to make the playoffs (with the biggest risk being that they give up a spot in the draft that is likely between pick # 10 and 16)?

I think Anaheim could be a team that Monahan might even want to stick around with after this year. They have a good young core and living in California is nicer than living in Montreal!

14 nov. 2023 à 15 h 54

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Quoting: Tennisman142

Blues don't have a need for Monahan. We have Thomas/Schenn/Hayes down the middle. We are retooling so getting a rental doesn't make sense

That is fair.

14 nov. 2023 à 15 h 55

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Quoting: KentMcNally

No, I'm saying you won't get a pick that even gets entered into the draw.

The islanders are not trading an unconditional 1st for monahan. If they fall out of the playoff race then montreal probably doesn't get a 1st at all, and it's their 2nd instead.

If you make a trade with one of these bubble teams, it won't just be protected and transfer to the next year, it will be conditional. On them making the playoffs AND monahan staying healthy

14 nov. 2023 à 15 h 58

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No one will trade a 1st without lottery protection.

Based on the replies here people still think lowly of Monahan (which is wild he is such a good player when healthy). Past health concerns are the reason teams would be reluctant to pay a 1st, and it's also the reason MTL would even consider trading him instead of resigning him. However, those same concerns is why Montreal has a top 6 veteran C with a cap hit of $2M. A team that is looking to win now and needs help at C makes the most sense, I personally think Boston makes a lot of sense having lost Bergeron and Krejci, but it would have to be a 2025 1st.

I would not trade Monahan for less than a 1st, resign him. He's been so good for Montreal.

14 nov. 2023 à 16 h 0

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Quoting: Shanesaw9

Protected is optimistic. It's going to be conditional.

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Quoting: KentMcNally

We have more than enough centers as it is, we are already have 16 NHL caliber forwards on the roster or IR. Our biggest need is defense. It wouldn't make sense for us to burn a first to still get knocked out in the first round.

Monahan only nets a first with full retention (Anaheim doesn't need and wouldn't pay a premium for) a health guarantee (likely means you get a 2nd) and a team that needs center depth (also not Anaheim)

Verbeek is still selling hope, not winning. If we make the post season this years it's because we outperformed expectations. We're not ready for a serious push, and that's when you buy rentals. Go see if Boston wants him.

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14 nov. 2023 à 16 h 4

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Quoting: xercuses

One stl laughs at that
Two a first is way too pay for a guy whod be on there 3rd line wing or 4th line center

How about a 3rd

Monahan is on pace for 70 pts, he's an all situation (PP, PK, Faceoff specialist) veteran top 6 C with a cap hit of $2M. A 3rd round pick?

Your comment should be a trolling infraction.

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14 nov. 2023 à 16 h 5

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Quoting: dgibb10

Protected is optimistic. It's going to be conditional.

Sure both of those things, but at the very least protected (which OP was saying habs should push for a team that might miss the playoffs to get a lottery pick, which is unrealistic).

14 nov. 2023 à 16 h 11

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Quoting: Shanesaw9

I just don't like trading him to a team that has a very good chance of making the second round of the playoffs (at least) like the Bruins because then the pick usually keeps getting worse.

I was hoping so badly last year that Florida would lose in the first round (even though it meant cheering for the Bruins) because I wanted Montreal to get a good pick in the strong draft. Watching the Panthers make it to the Finals and seeing that pick go all the way to #31 (essentially a 2nd round pick) sucked and I want the Habs to avoid that again, which is why i targeted bubble playoff teams. .

Just my 2 cents
I could see Montreal trading him for a 1st round pick that is top 5 or top 10 protected for sure. The odds of one of that teams that I was suggesting sneaking in to the top 10 (if they are playoff contenders at the deadline) are pretty low.

14 nov. 2023 à 16 h 14

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Quoting: KentMcNally

NOBODY IS GIVING YOU A PICK THAT HAS ANY CHANCE OF BEING HIGHER THAN 17TH. No team is going to set themselves up to pay a mid/high 1st for a rental 3rd line C who can't stay healthy

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