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Créé par: Renegade_H
Équipe: 2023-24 Flyers de Philadelphie
Date de création initiale: 16 sept. 2023
Publié: 17 sept. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
TDL - Get rid of Staal, Ceci, and Joseph
Transactions
1.
PHI
  1. Bourgault, Xavier
  2. Ceci, Cody
  3. Foegele, Warren
  4. Holloway, Dylan
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
  6. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
Détails additionnels:
Holloway,Bourgault, 1st for retained TK
Foegele is salary dump
Ceci and 2nd for cheaper RD in Seeler
EDM
  1. Konecny, Travis (1 500 000 $ retained)
  2. Seeler, Nick
2.
PHI
  1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2024 (SJS)
Détails additionnels:
Third line winger for 1 year
3.
PHI
  1. Iafallo, Alex
  2. Schmidt, Nate
Détails additionnels:
Flyers need LW. WPG need 2nd line C. Schmidt for Sanheim is merely getting out of that contract.
4.
PHI
  1. Spence, Jordan
  2. Turcotte, Alex
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (LAK)
LAK
  1. Hart, Carter (1 979 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (PHI)
5.
PHI
  1. Joseph, Mathieu
  2. Pinto, Shane [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (DET)
OTT
  1. Allison, Wade
  2. Laughton, Scott
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Enfoui
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2024
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2025
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2026
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2383 500 000 $75 336 262 $1 187 500 $2 347 500 $8 163 738 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 5
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7 750 000 $7 750 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 7
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
2 625 000 $2 625 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
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863 333 $863 333 $
AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance650 000 $$650K)
AG, C
RFA - 1
Logo de Kings de Los Angeles
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance1 550 000 $$2M)
C
RFA - 1
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
5 875 000 $5 875 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
2 375 000 $2 375 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa
2 950 000 $2 950 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
1 600 000 $1 600 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
5 100 000 $5 100 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
859 167 $859 167 $ (Bonis de performance32 500 $$32K)
G
RFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
5 950 000 $5 950 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
775 000 $775 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
903 333 $903 333 $ (Bonis de performance32 500 $$32K)
DG
RFA - 3
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
2 650 000 $2 650 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Kings de Los Angeles
820 000 $820 000 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
DD
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
6 250 000 $6 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 4

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17 sept. 2023 à 7 h 23
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Don’t think Ottawa could do the trade. Joseph and Laughton have essentially the same cap hit, so we’d still have to unload a player to fit under the cap with a 20 man roster. Maybe with some retention it could work
17 sept. 2023 à 8 h 3
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Man that’s a bad deal for Philly on that Ottawa trade
17 sept. 2023 à 8 h 47
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Value is generous on the Habs trade, but the Habs are trying to create space for their prospects to play. Habs decline.
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17 sept. 2023 à 8 h 57
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I don't believe that LA trade would happen and especially not at that price. Hart is tainted, and may not even be available to be traded.
17 sept. 2023 à 9 h 6
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Quoting: jonh514
Value is generous on the Habs trade, but the Habs are trying to create space for their prospects to play. Habs decline.


Value isnt generous. Foegele is a borderline negative value asset at his cap hit. Its the same issue as joseph
17 sept. 2023 à 9 h 17
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Quoting: RicXX
I don't believe that LA trade would happen and especially not at that price. Hart is tainted, and may not even be available to be traded.


We don't really know if he's tainted. Pure speculation until announcement.
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17 sept. 2023 à 9 h 28
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Quoting: Renegade_H
We don't really know if he's tainted. Pure speculation until announcement.


Maybe I didn't word it correctly, just with everything being said I'm calling the entire 2018 jr team tainted. Minus the few players that have been confirmed not there.
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17 sept. 2023 à 10 h 31
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So you say Foegele us a cap dump, but you still get positive assets for him. Weird
17 sept. 2023 à 10 h 55
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EDM abruptly ends the call with an eye roll and a sigh.
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17 sept. 2023 à 10 h 58
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Quoting: Black61
Value isnt generous. Foegele is a borderline negative value asset at his cap hit. Its the same issue as joseph


30 point forward for a 5th round pick. I'll take that.
17 sept. 2023 à 11 h 38
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
So you say Foegele us a cap dump, but you still get positive assets for him. Weird


One man's trash is another man's treasure.
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17 sept. 2023 à 11 h 52
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even tho sanheim is from manitoba, Jets don’t need another LHD, and frost is a little underwhelming as a 2C although he could improve. the value isn’t quite there for this to work
17 sept. 2023 à 11 h 59
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Quoting: DustinBrown1989
Man that’s a bad deal for Philly on that Ottawa trade


Lol not a chance
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17 sept. 2023 à 12 h 0
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Quoting: AlTintin1122
Lol not a chance


And least take off the second going back
17 sept. 2023 à 12 h 2
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These seem solid to me
17 sept. 2023 à 12 h 19
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Quoting: DustinBrown1989
And least take off the second going back


Any deal with Pinto and a 1st better be bringing back an elite player. Don’t be this ridiculous lmao
17 sept. 2023 à 12 h 30
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Quoting: AlTintin1122
Any deal with Pinto and a 1st better be bringing back an elite player. Don’t be this ridiculous lmao


I mean.... youre moving down a round for a proven leader. You signing Pinto? As of right now, that looks iffy - thus the trade.
17 sept. 2023 à 12 h 32
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Quoting: Renegade_H
I mean.... youre moving down a round for a proven leader. You signing Pinto? As of right now, that looks iffy - thus the trade.


I would maybe move the lower 1st for Laughton with retention but no way is Pinto being involved in a trade for Laughton. Pinto has top 6 potential
17 sept. 2023 à 12 h 36
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Quoting: AlTintin1122
I would maybe move the lower 1st for Laughton with retention but no way is Pinto being involved in a trade for Laughton. Pinto has top 6 potential


So this trade would be closer to acceptable if it was Ridley Greig instead of Pinto?
17 sept. 2023 à 12 h 38
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So this trade would be closer to acceptable if it was Ridley Greig instead of Pinto?


Neither is available , I don’t know what fans of other teams are thinking but none of those 2 are available. They’re 2 of their best young players with top 6 potential and are cheap
17 sept. 2023 à 21 h 33
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No in what world is that a fair trade with the amount of comparables there are for the oilers also ceci>>>seeler
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18 sept. 2023 à 6 h 13
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Quoting: Oiler_fan88
No in what world is that a fair trade with the amount of comparables there are for the oilers also ceci>>>seeler


Duh. The whole point of the swap was for salary cap space - comes out to roughly 1.7M
18 sept. 2023 à 10 h 8
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Quoting: Renegade_H
Duh. The whole point of the swap was for salary cap space - comes out to roughly 1.7M


So then why are we paying a 2nd also I would recommend looking at the debrincat trade as well as the meier trade
18 sept. 2023 à 15 h 12
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Quoting: Oiler_fan88
So then why are we paying a 2nd also I would recommend looking at the debrincat trade as well as the meier trade


Alright. Maybe straight up and we can ship Ceci to another team. As for Debrincat trade, the appeal to TK is the pending RFA status. Recently read The Athletic article about teams and cap space efficiency per player, TK was valued at 7.1M. Getting him for 4M is a damn good bargain.
18 sept. 2023 à 15 h 56
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One man's trash is another man's treasure.

He's not considered trash in Edmonton though. He scores at a first line rate at 5v5 without playing with McDavid and is good defensively.

His scoring rates are like 90% of Konecny's at 50% the cap hit, and he brings a lot of physicality that TK doesn't. If they trade Foegele for Konecny they aren't adding their 1RD, two top prospects plus a 1st and 2nd.
 
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