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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 15 heures
Sujet: expediting the rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>imawesome</b></div><div>Add Norris, Batherson and your 1st (Wright) and Tampa considers.

Yes I know it's ridiculous, but so is your current trade. Stutzle's ceiling is maybe (MAYBE) a tiny bit higher than what Point is already at.</div></div>

Indeed, what a ridiculous comment

Stutzle is going to be an elite player. These 19 years olds on ELCs are worth a LOT

Artem Zub is a 25 y/o two-way beast

Filip Gustavsson is a 23 y/o bonafide top goalie prospect

It's a pretty damn good package. It doesn't mean TB SHOULD do it (you keep the guy you won with) but thinking the value is off like that is delusional. Most Sens fans won't want this to happen.


Also, Batherson is going to be considered one of the best contracts in the whole NHL for the next 6 years

Norris is 22 y/o and probably scores 30 goals this year while playing against top competition

Oh and you mentioned Ottawa's 1st too...lol add Vasilevskiy, Hedman and your next 2 firsts
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 15 heures
Sujet: expediting the rebuild
Norris probably scores 30 goals this season and he's 22 y/o facing top opposition. Don't think you'll be able to sign him for 5 years at 4.5

Craig Anderson? I mean, what a guy and what a player he was for Ottawa but he's going to be 41 y/o

Also, don't sign James Neal

If the Sens have the chance to draft Shane Wright, lol they won't really need Brayden Point then.

I mean Wright, Norris and Pinto. That could be deadly, Norris would probably be one of the best #2 and Pinto one of the best #3

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>That Point trade absolutely scares me especially considering you’re doing it with a division rival</div></div>

Point is a beauty but damn, Stutzle is going to be damn good too. We have seen glimpses of what he could do (like last game). Elite talents are able to put it together at some point and do it constantly. It's really really risky to trade him.

Giving Zub who is absolutely needed on RD makes it even harder. Not to mention Gustavsson who is the "goalie of the future" at the moment. he has been nothing short of stellar in basically every game he played, including this season. Outsiders probably gonna get fooled by his current SV% (0.899) but it doesn't mean much on Ottawa currently with the worst team defense of the last 25 years
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 16 heures
Sujet: hypothetical price trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MarcBergevin69</b></div><div>why are you so interested in my age ;) you like the way I type? &lt;3</div></div>

Wait, are you a girl? That changes everything. I'm going to be nicer! :sarcasm

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MarcBergevin69</b></div></div>

ok not going to fix your quote again... I actually like Price and yes he has been a great goalie but with his injury history, he might not have 5 years left of great NHL hockey. Not an easy league to play in.

There's a ton of young talented goalies growing into the game, the clock is ticking for guys like Price, Fleury, Rask, Varlamov... Rinne and Lundqvist retired already... a new generation is coming

A team could be tempted to "gamble" on Price with 50% retention but NO TEAM is going to give the Habs a 1st and a prospect of the quality of Alex Newhook... Maybe you didn't know who he was but he's from the same draft as Caufield and will easily be a better player. Something I was also saying when people were overhyping Caufield like crazy

Price can be traded with 50% retention but AVS fans won't want to pay that price, not even close
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 16 heures
Sujet: do we trade guys out at the TDL this year or what
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NDoody</b></div><div>I think it really all depends on the numbers they want. Both Brown and Paul would be great players to keep that are happy in OTT, but with the contracts already out and the ones coming for Stuztle, JDB, Thompson, Sanderson, it might be hard to keep the numbers in the right place.

I Feel like they should both be able to bring back good pieces but are they better than having both those players as the foundation for a solid Third line.

Formenton - Paul - C Brown. It would be hard for Sens to beat that as their third line.</div></div>

Paul is not efficient as a center, it brings much more defensive responsibility and as a very big body, he doesn't have the + skating required to play his shutdown game as well. It,s a guy who needs to be LW in your bottom-6, that's how he adds value to your lineup, not in the top-6 or not as a center.

Paul - Pinto - Brown

If Pinto didn't miss a whole season I would probably think differently but it is what it is. That line could be great

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claebom</b></div><div>Is it really though?

Paul has never scored more than 20 points (&lt;30 point pace) and is currently having a very rough year both offensively (0.18 PPG) and defensively (2.5 xGA/60, 3.79 GA/60). He also put up those points in previous seasons whilst having generous deployment alongside solid linemates (top 5 through 2019-2021 are Connor Brown, Colin White, Evgeni Dadonov, Chris Tierney and JG Pageau). As he drops in responsibility once the team gets better, he looks to drop in points too. After all, he puts up 0.8 P/60 this year at 5v5 while playing 17 minutes total a game. Watch when he drops to 13 minutes. And I could go on and on about how he's not, nor should be, a center but I digress. Nick Paul is a bottom 6 winger who is best suited to play as a 4LW on a good team. So if a team is willing to treat him like a Barclay Goodrow and wants to overpay for him, by all means: bye Nick!</div></div>

No I agree, he's not a center and it's a big reason why he's having a rough year. Pinto and White injuries have hurt him more than anyone else. He needs to be LW for one of these guys with Connor Brown on the other wing so Paul could play his game. His value is not really in his point production and never will. Think about a Paul Gaustad but unfortunately from the wing, which is also why he won't cost an arm and leg to extend. Gaustad was taking 4-5% in C.H.% so let's say Paul gets 3.5% which would be about 2.8 AAV

I have stressed a lot (maybe not on CF) about the importance of having a strong bottom-6 forward group. Guys like Brown, White, Paul and Formenton will be key for having that, Angus Crookshank too

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claebom</b></div><div>Connor Brown's a bit different as he's actually a great player who produces and does well defensively. He would be awesome to have on our third line when the team is contending. That being said, he's coming up to the end of his deal and has had three straight seasons of ~50 point paces and percentage benders. We gave Brady $8.2M for three straight seasons of 50 point paces, so what is Brown going to ask for given he's actually competent defensively? Certainly not $8M, but even $5M is too much to give a 3rd liner. If he wants to sign a more realistic deal and comprehends that his point totals are a function of giving him more responsibility than he will ever have elsewhere or will have with the team in the next few years, then great. Otherwise, he's better sent out so he isn't lost for free.</div></div>

Connor Brown is not really a "3rd liner" though and teams know that. They have a completely different way of looking at this than the average fan. He's a matchup forward who excels at EV/PK hockey. Most of his production comes from that. I will just copy/paste the link for my Connor Brown facts if you want to look at them (but you probably know a few of them but look at post #15 in the link below)

I don't see Connor Brown asking for a huge payday, For comparables, you'd have to look at Pageau and Danault for example but they are centers so a tad bit less than them. Actually a 5 years contract like Batherson AAV would be great

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/529490?post_id=2796040

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claebom</b></div><div>You're right that 1st round picks and 2nd rounders aren't immediately helpful, but they can be repackaged into deals for pieces that serve the team well now and into the future without overpaying or overvaluing.

And besides, the team is still probably two years away from making real noise, if not longer.</div></div>

Problem with that is that we'd have to rely on Dorion being a good GM... Not expecting him to acquire a Reinhart, Arvidsson, Buchnevich or Devon Toews with these assets.

And the team years away from making real noise is exactly the problem. Chabot turns 25 y/o this season... Do we want to wait until he's 28-29 y/o before truly competing? That'd be quite pathetic. Batherson, Tkachuk and Norris (future) contracts will also start consuming themselves
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 17 heures
Sujet: do we trade guys out at the TDL this year or what
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>I just can’t see us giving a 30 year old Connor Brown 6 years at 5 mill per</div></div>

Connor Brown is 27 years old right now and turns 28 next month. He'll still be a "young 29" when his contract ends. If you can get him for 4-5 years under 5.0 you do it. There's 2 things to consider in his case :

- he is a PLUS skater, as long as he's healthy, he's not going to slow down overnight

- he has been relatively healthy his whole career.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Borocop</b></div><div>Unless mete turns it around in a but hes my #1 on the gone list with josh brown, hes been a detriment both on offense and defnese this year with horrible turnovers on both ends of the ice and has forgotten how to transition the puck.</div></div>

To Victor Mete's defense, he has mostly played with Nikita Zaitsev and Josh Brown and both have been absolutely terrible this season.

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_linecombo.php?select=D&amp;defenseman=OTT%3A4652%3AVICTOR%3AMETE&amp;games=2021-2022%3AR%3A99&amp;period=ALL&amp;situation=ALL

The problem in Ottawa is that there's no #2 and no #4. You have a #1 (Chabot), a #3 (Zub), a bipolar #5 (Zaitsev) and a bunch of #6 and #7

These 2 huge holes in the top-4 literally puts everyone in trouble

Personally, I wouldn't mind having him as the #7 next season as he's young, cheap, very fast and usually very good in zone exits. You'd rather have him be a healthy scratch rather than JBD, Brannstrom or Thomson

Chabot
Sanderson
Zub
Thomson
Brannstrom
JBD
Del Zotto

Although we'll already have MDZ who will be an expensive #7
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures
Sujet: do we trade guys out at the TDL this year or what
Get absolutely what you can for :

Chris Tierney
Zach Sanford
Dylan Gambrell
Nick Holden
Anton Forsberg
Joshua Brown

Keep Heatherington, Mete and Gaudette as depth guys for another year

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>I would move Connor Brown or Nick Paul also but only if a team is desperate and offering a lot</div></div>

I understand why you think this but have to be careful here

Batherson : 5 years left
Chabot : 6 years left
Tkachuk : 6 years left

That is the situation after this season where we won't make the playoffs. This is basically "the window" to contend. Considering that it might take a few years before actually being good in the playoffs, how many years will we really have? lol

I know it's pretty cynical to look at it this way but that's the reality IF nothing changes in ownership. Melnyk selling the team to new owners who would build an arena downtown would change everything but can't bank on this scenario for now

Until then, trading Brown and Paul is counter productive in terms of making this team competitive tomorrow. "Futures" are nice but we are loaded with them and late 1st round picks and 2nd round picks won't help for years...

Really have to consider this
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 23 heures
Sujet: Sens lineup next year w Giroux and no other signings or trades
Signing Giroux but not having him as a center on a team that is missing quality veteran centers? Also having Pinto (who is unfortunately missing a full season) as the 3rd line center would be a better idea than throwing him in the 2nd line center role. Let him focus on his strengths and work from there. It would also allow Paul and Brown to have a good season, also playing to their strrengths in a matchup role. Personally I believe Greig is going to be quite good so look at that 2nd line : sexy!

Also hope we're not re-signing Sanford (but trading him). Angus Crookshank will make this team. He would be a regular already if he didn't injure himself

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Stutzle - Giroux - Greig
Paul - Pinto - Brown
Crookshank - White - Formenton
Watson

Chabot - Thomson
Sanderson - Zub
Brannstrom - Zaitsev
Heatherington - Del Zotto

Gustavsson
Murray

Defense and goaltending look optimal though! But if I am Matt Murray, I never play another game for the Ottawa Senators so I ask to be traded


<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Wouldn't recommend a 34 year old Giroux be signed to a five year contract by any team.</div></div>

Yeah max you should go is probably 3 years
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 24 heures
Sujet: What is he worth
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claesson4Norris</b></div><div>I wouldn't move him for less than a 2nd minimum. Personally I wouldn't move him at all. He's an important part of the locker room, and he shouldn't be too expensive to re-sign.</div></div>

And "luckily" he's not having his best season as he hasn't been put in the best position to succeed. Paul and Brown with Stutzle is stupid as it doesn't allow them to play their matchup EV game. Plus Paul played many games at Center where he's just not as efficient. He's a 3rd/4th line LW, not a 2nd line Center. It's in the bottom-6 that he'll add value to your team, not anywhere else.

So based on that so far, he shouldn't be too expensive to extend. I could see 2.5 x 4 years

It would be better to keep a quality veteran over a 2nd + marginal prospect at best

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JetsCanesSens</b></div><div>A 4th or 3rd or something like that.</div></div>

No, GMs know Paul's value doesn't reside in his stats line.
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 19 h 49
Sujet: hypothetical price trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MarcBergevin69</b></div><div>ust because 1 idiot says something ridiculous on the radio doesn't make every habs fan's opinion invalid. No one in their right mind would think price could fetch makar. The fact that you generalise everyone into that category is what's childish about this. Grow up.</div></div>

How the hell did you mess up the quote? I mean it's something pretty easy to manage :help

So you are also not the smartest peanut in the turd eh?

My original statement was "<em>Montreal media have repeated stupid stuff over the years making the public believe that Carey Price has incredible value</em>" so what the hell are you talking about? Is it because I have only named 1 example? I mean, it was pretty clear that my observation was just not based on "1 idiot on the radio". Montreal media is MORE than one person... Is this real life? :tearsofjoy

And that "idiot" was Ron Fournier who is one of the biggest hockey personalities in the Quebec province history, someone that a lot of people listened to. J-C Lajoie who is another big one also made that kind of ridiculous statement, and not just once. Like I said, a lot of medias did

And as evidenced by hundreds of ACGMs here on Cap Friendly, Habs fans DO overrate Price value like crazy, until fans from a lot of other fanbases have been telling them that they would totally refuse their silly proposals

But yeah I need to grow up because I am "generalizing"... Are you going to embarass yourself even more?

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MarcBergevin69</b></div><div>Also I live in Ottawa and let me tell you, the way Ottawa fans were talking about their team going into this season was something else. So settle down</div></div>

The discussion had absolutely NOTHING to do with Ottawa so the fact that you are repeating this makes it even more sad. I thought you were like 14 years old which I found "cute" but now that I see that you are 21 years old, it's kinda pathetic.
Forum: Armchair-GMsam. à 19 h 39
Sujet: hypothetical price trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MarcBergevin69</b></div><div>Hey man, I completely disagree with your comment. Montreal media didn't carry the Habs to the finals, Carey Price did.

Also I understand why Seattle who is a bottom feeder for the next couple years wouldn't want to take on Price at 10.5 millionv.</div></div>

Well, you're probably not from Montreal but I live 15 mins away from the Bell Center. I think it was in 2020 (as I was putting a mask to go in a store), I was listening to an interview with now retired Ron Fournier on the radio and he was saying that maybe the Habs should think about trading Carey Price as they could get a very good young player like CALE MAKAR in return. Maybe he said there would be more pieces but I don,t even want to imagine.

If that's not DELUSIONAL, I don't know what it is. I have listened and watched Montreal medias for over 30 years. Don't worry, I KNOW what I am talking about

Also, very poor reading comprehension here we go... I said "over the years" and you're talking about a playoffs run?

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MarcBergevin69</b></div><div>Lastly, hopefully one day Ottawa's unparralled success comes true, until then hope you're enjoying reality.</div></div>

Ok so you also must be 14 years old lol

If you think you poor little pathetic jab does anything but make you look completely desperate... I call Melnyk the worst owner in the NHL and Dorion the worst GM. So yeah I don't disagree
Forum: Armchair-GMsam. à 19 h 23
Sujet: Joakim kemell changes this team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Stutzle needs to play with someone better than Paul and Connor Brown lol. Give him Pinto and Kemell and this whole team changes</div></div>

It also doesn't allow Paul and Brown to play their matchup game where they excel. Pinto with them on the other hand... that line could be a strength

I'm guessing the OP has updated, the forward is perfect like that

However :

- NO to Zadorov

- No to Korpisalo. Murray is much better and was just sent to the AHL

- Zaitsev should be 6th or 7th unless he starts playing much better (like he did last year)

- I'd be very surprised if they ever play Brannstrom on RD

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claesson4Norris</b></div><div>... he's not gonna do a damn thing to fix the goalie situation</div></div>

I don't see any problem with Ottawa's goaltending. 2 goalies that should/could be starting goalies and a good #3 in Forsberg. Team defense and coaching on the other hand...
Forum: Armchair-GMsam. à 18 h 53
Sujet: Stealing from the Poor
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>UpsideDownQue</b></div><div>1st + Kaut?</div></div>

Martin Kaut doesn't accomplish much for Ottawa. They have a ton of forward prospects who will fight to crtack the roster in the near future. I mean, they let Duclair walk as a RFA (very stupid) just before the 2020-21 season and Balcers go on waivers (very stupid). Big numbers game, although there's a lot of incompetence in management/coaching

Look at Batherson, Tkachuk and Chabot contracts (and soon Norris), Sens would be very stupid to sell actual good players for futures. There's still several problems but they need to ADD, not SUBTRACT

Zub should have been signed on a long term deal but for some reason, our genius GM rushed to sign him for 2 years as soon as the 2020-21 season finished.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheBoyDuddus</b></div><div>Easy pass from Ottawa. Deal would need to start with a first, especially if the 1st is as late as Colorado's would be</div></div>

Not even, Zub should just be available in package for a clear upgrade.