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Équipe: 2023-24 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 18 juill. 2023
Publié: 26 juill. 2023
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So I went through every "rumour" on hockey buzz for the flames and tried to put together trades based off these "rumours". I had to break them up, because almost all of them would have been to the Sabres otherwise. Trying to get them all done was ridiculous.

Rumours:
Backlund to Sabres or Isles
Markstrom to Devils or Sabres
Hanifin to Sabres or Bruins
Flames interested in Konecny
Dumba to Calgary
Calgary interested in Pesce
Huberdeau "very much in play" to AZ or Chicago (This was my favorite lol)

Has he ever been right about anything that wasn't already reported? Doubtfully.
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26 juill. 2023 à 22 h 11
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1- this is what u get for believing ANYTHING u see on Hockeybuzz 🤣🤣🤣

2- i don’t see the Sabres being interested in your proposed trade- Backlund & Tanev are both solid players that could help us, but there’s no way we give up 2 young guys (especially not Krebs) for a couple “rentals”
ZERO CHANCE that trade is even close to happening
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26 juill. 2023 à 22 h 20
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Really I don't there is much fact to those trade at all......how could anyone.
Bruins aren't taking on more cap especially on defence when their centre position is so iffy.
Huberdeau is the worse contracts in the league, and you want teams to give up anything for him?
Lot of cap going Jersey's way for no better goaltending.
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26 juill. 2023 à 22 h 43
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1- this is what u get for believing ANYTHING u see on Hockeybuzz 🤣🤣🤣

2- i don’t see the Sabres being interested in your proposed trade- Backlund & Tanev are both solid players that could help us, but there’s no way we give up 2 young guys (especially not Krebs) for a couple “rentals”
ZERO CHANCE that trade is even close to happening


1) It's pretty evident from the ACGM name and my post that I don't believe anything Eklund says.

2) After missing for 11 seasons, the sabres should be keen on taking a run at the cup. Those are two of the best shutdown players in the league for their respective positions. Maybe its not krebs, but at some point those prospects need roster spots, and next to Arizona, Buffalo has the deepest farm in the league.
26 juill. 2023 à 22 h 45
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The Devis could take everything out of that trade and would still pass on Markstrom for free.
26 juill. 2023 à 22 h 45
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Theres been rumors on every single goalie in the NHL going to the Devils... But fun fact none of them are true or gonna be true.
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26 juill. 2023 à 22 h 46
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Really I don't there is much fact to those trade at all......how could anyone.
Bruins aren't taking on more cap especially on defence when their centre position is so iffy.
Huberdeau is the worse contracts in the league, and you want teams to give up anything for him?
Lot of cap going Jersey's way for no better goaltending.


Again, I made the trades based off his rumours, not reality. The Bruins likely need a center, but that wasn't on the site when I made the ACGM.

Also, Huberdeau hasn't played his contract yet, so it cant be the worst in the league. He had a bad year, but it was at under 6MM.
26 juill. 2023 à 22 h 47
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Quoting: TyeZerker
Theres been rumors on every single goalie in the NHL going to the Devils... But fun fact none of them are true or gonna be true. The only goalie Devs want is Helly, but they arent trading for Helly or any goalie.
Ppl need to stop running with rumors man. YOu sir are a sheep for post rumors buy unreliable site/ppl just like Frank S.


Read the Description before you post stupid comments.
26 juill. 2023 à 23 h 6
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1) It's pretty evident from the ACGM name and my post that I don't believe anything Eklund says.

2) After missing for 11 seasons, the sabres should be keen on taking a run at the cup. Those are two of the best shutdown players in the league for their respective positions. Maybe its not krebs, but at some point those prospects need roster spots, and next to Arizona, Buffalo has the deepest farm in the league.


Those 2 players don’t make us Cup Contenders though
Not at all
And shipping out good young assets for rentals that will not help us reach our goal,
is just a waste of those young assets

Markstrom could make sense of it was at the right price though
27 juill. 2023 à 0 h 2
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Markstrom would be the Devils' fourth or fifth best goalie and has a cap hit nearly the size of all five goalies under contract to NJ combined
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27 juill. 2023 à 0 h 26
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Those 2 players don’t make us Cup Contenders though
Not at all
And shipping out good young assets for rentals that will not help us reach our goal,
is just a waste of those young assets

Markstrom could make sense of it was at the right price though


If you compare the GSVAs of just the Flames and the Sabres, the sabres clearly have more young offensive talent. GSVAs are regressed over 3 years, and slightly rated towards offense (because goal prevention is a harder matric to capture, so their are just less stats to pull from). Below are the GSVAs of all payers that played on both teams that had a GSVA greater than 1.0. The interesting part is that if you filter that same list strictly off their defensive component, you don't hit a Buffalo player until 7th on the list (Rasmus Dahlin @1.1). He's actually the only Buffalo player on that list to have a positive defensive rating and a GSVA over 1.0. And somewhat Ironically, Tage Thompsons defensive rating is -19.3 (worst of the bunch). Weegar, Backlund, Tanev, Coleman, Toffoli, Huberdedau, and Mangiapane were all better Defensively. Obviously Calgary had an entirely different issue (scoring). But my point is that both Tanev and Backlund are exactly what Buffalo needs. They are two exceptional defensive players who want to win a cup and Buffalo had the 26th Goals Against last year, and the 28th ranked PK. Scoring isn't their problem. If Buffalo can solve their D and goaltending, they will be hoisting the cup . I don't know why everyone thinks they are not primed to be a contender.

Markstrom will bounce back. I have never seen a goaltender get a case of the yips like that before. The guy went from Vezina caliber performance one year, to allowing 11 goals on the first shot of the game last year. It was 100% mental. Honestly, the change of scenery would probably bring him back to form.



Player GSVA
Tyler Toffoli 3.4
Rasmus Dahlin 3.2
Tage Thompson 2.9
MacKenzie Weegar 2.8
Jeff Skinner 2.7
Alex Tuch 2.7
Mikael Backlund 2.4
Rasmus Andersson 2.4
Elias Lindholm 2.2
Jonathan Huberdeau 1.8
Nazem Kadri 1.6
Blake Coleman 1.5
Andrew Mangiapane 1.4
Noah Hanifin 1.4
Dylan Cozens 1.3
Chris Tanev 1.3
Owen Power 1.2
Jack Quinn 1
27 juill. 2023 à 2 h 6
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Quoting: Dr_Invictus
If you compare the GSVAs of just the Flames and the Sabres, the sabres clearly have more young offensive talent. GSVAs are regressed over 3 years, and slightly rated towards offense (because goal prevention is a harder matric to capture, so their are just less stats to pull from). Below are the GSVAs of all payers that played on both teams that had a GSVA greater than 1.0. The interesting part is that if you filter that same list strictly off their defensive component, you don't hit a Buffalo player until 7th on the list (Rasmus Dahlin 1.1). He's actually the only Buffalo player on that list to have a positive defensive rating and a GSVA over 1.0. And somewhat Ironically, Tage Thompsons defensive rating is -19.3 (worst of the bunch). Weegar, Backlund, Tanev, Coleman, Toffoli, Huberdedau, and Mangiapane were all better Defensively. Obviously Calgary had an entirely different issue (scoring). But my point is that both Tanev and Backlund are exactly what Buffalo needs. They are two exceptional defensive players who want to win a cup and Buffalo had the 26th Goals Against last year, and the 28th ranked PK. Scoring isn't their problem. If Buffalo can solve their D and goaltending, they will be hoisting the cup . I don't know why everyone thinks they are not primed to be a contender.

Markstrom will bounce back. I have never seen a goaltender get a case of the yips like that before. The guy went from Vezina caliber performance one year, to allowing 11 goals on the first shot of the game last year. It was 100% mental. Honestly, the change of scenery would probably bring him back to form.



Player GSVA
Tyler Toffoli 3.4
Rasmus Dahlin 3.2
Tage Thompson 2.9
MacKenzie Weegar 2.8
Jeff Skinner 2.7
Alex Tuch 2.7
Mikael Backlund 2.4
Rasmus Andersson 2.4
Elias Lindholm 2.2
Jonathan Huberdeau 1.8
Nazem Kadri 1.6
Blake Coleman 1.5
Andrew Mangiapane 1.4
Noah Hanifin 1.4
Dylan Cozens 1.3
Chris Tanev 1.3
Owen Power 1.2
Jack Quinn 1


First of all, these analytics are ridiculous
Just for example:
According to your numbers, Kadri is barely better than Coleman & Skinner is better than Kadri
We both know that’s utter nonsense, so we can quit with that i hope

As for the ACTUAL POINT….
YOU even agree that we need to fix our goaltending
So adding 2 rentals without fixing the goaltending is a pointless endeavor that just leaves us losing in the playoffs & without future young talent that could actually be helping us get the Cup when we are truly ready to compete for it

Markstrom has been up & down for 4 years now,
AND he turns 34 mid-season
There’s no way to know if he’ll bounce back again,
or if his age is catching up to him & he’s falling off a cliff
I’m not saying he WILL fall off a cliff
I’m saying NEITHER OF US know & it’s a distinct possibility


The Sabres need a little more time to be legit contenders
This isn’t the year to trade our great young prospects for rentals- that would be dumb imo
We need to keep developing our good young talent,
just like we have been- bc we’re clearly on the right path

And if the *RIGHT* deal is there to be made,
then cool
But 2 good young assets for 2 rentals is a dumb move,
period
27 juill. 2023 à 3 h 7
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Player GSVA
Tyler Toffoli 3.4
Rasmus Dahlin 3.2
Tage Thompson 2.9
MacKenzie Weegar 2.8
Jeff Skinner 2.7
Alex Tuch 2.7
Mikael Backlund 2.4
Rasmus Andersson 2.4
Elias Lindholm 2.2
Jonathan Huberdeau 1.8
Nazem Kadri 1.6
Blake Coleman 1.5
Andrew Mangiapane 1.4
Noah Hanifin 1.4
Dylan Cozens 1.3
Chris Tanev 1.3
Owen Power 1.2
Jack Quinn 1

Where did you get these figures from? The player cards I have (which should be the most recently updated) show different GSVA for those players.
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27 juill. 2023 à 3 h 18
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Where did you get these figures from? The player cards I have (which should be the most recently updated) show different GSVA for those players.


You can export them from the Athletic. This extract was from the last week of the season, so there were a few teams that has 2 or 3 games in hand. Not material for the overall GSVA but it could change a decimal point either way.
27 juill. 2023 à 7 h 26
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Sooo one of the best defensive defenseman in the league, A first, and a solid prospect forrr..... A 33 year old goalie? lol
27 juill. 2023 à 8 h 43
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No clue who Eklund is, but that Hawks trade IS utter nonsense.
27 juill. 2023 à 9 h 39
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Yeah...Canes say no.

Jonas and Pesce are not comparable. Why would we trade a 2nd pair RD with a 3rd pair LD? Jonas has 1/2 the PPG as Pesce and 1/3 his +/-

Dube probably edges out Drury just a tad, but we don't need a 4th line winger.

This "trade" is a massive net negative for CAR.
27 juill. 2023 à 9 h 51
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No clue who Eklund is, but that Hawks trade IS utter nonsense.


He's a guy who has a website posting rumours that never come true.

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/
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27 juill. 2023 à 10 h 8
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Quoting: homiedaclown
First of all, these analytics are ridiculous
Just for example:
According to your numbers, Kadri is barely better than Coleman & Skinner is better than Kadri
We both know that’s utter nonsense, so we can quit with that i hope

As for the ACTUAL POINT….
YOU even agree that we need to fix our goaltending
So adding 2 rentals without fixing the goaltending is a pointless endeavor that just leaves us losing in the playoffs & without future young talent that could actually be helping us get the Cup when we are truly ready to compete for it

Markstrom has been up & down for 4 years now,
AND he turns 34 mid-season
There’s no way to know if he’ll bounce back again,
or if his age is catching up to him & he’s falling off a cliff
I’m not saying he WILL fall off a cliff
I’m saying NEITHER OF US know & it’s a distinct possibility


The Sabres need a little more time to be legit contenders
This isn’t the year to trade our great young prospects for rentals- that would be dumb imo
We need to keep developing our good young talent,
just like we have been- bc we’re clearly on the right path

And if the *RIGHT* deal is there to be made,
then cool
But 2 good young assets for 2 rentals is a dumb move,
period


GSVA is a measure of a player's value to the team both offensively and defensively given their usage. Each component is individually regressed towards the mean with a 3 year rolling average. Coleman is fairly consistent defensively and offensively year to year. Kadri was awful defensively last year so his GSVA dropped . Conversely Skinner Improved. Since it is run over 3 years and not their entire career, you'd likely see Skinner rise (because his 1st year in buffalo would not be factored in anymore); and you'd see kadri fall as he returns to his usual output, sans the Colorado years. If measuring points and plus/minus was all we needed there would be no advanced stats.

I doubt Markstrom would be traded anyways. He has little value after last season, and Calgary would fair better to let him return to normalcy. last year was his only year professionally to post a sub 0.90 save %. makes no sense to sell low.
 
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