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Dach

Créé par: Civil_Eng_PE
Équipe: 2023-24 Blue Jackets de Columbus
Date de création initiale: 14 juin 2023
Publié: 22 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
I see a ton of Habs fans offering trades for Boqvist. IMO the only way we trade Boqy is if a good (potentially) center is coming back. For the Habs it would have to be Dach... Maybe if you get PLD he becomes expendable. Dvorak isn't that enticing so it would have to be Dach...

Not saying its a good fit currently but I feel like Dach would be the only player who would entice Jarmo. If Dach isn't included we would just trade away Peeke instead and run Boqy as our 2RD.
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  1. Boqvist, Adam
  2. Roslovic, Jack
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (CBJ)
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Dash last summer was sold for 13th and 66th OA. This is 34th OA + Boqvist (IMO worth a middle to low 1st rounder) and Roslovic.
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22 juin 2023 à 10 h 8
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Optimistic price for Boqvist.
22 juin 2023 à 10 h 10
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DACHs value increased since the trade.
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22 juin 2023 à 10 h 11
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Optimistic price for Boqvist.


I do feel like he is worth around a 25th-30th OA pick. He was the center piece of the Seth Jones trade and last year when he was the QB of the CBJ PP1 for the first time in what feels like 2-3 seasons we had a decent PP.
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DACHs value increased since the trade.


Then maybe take out the 2nd and do a 2024 1st (Top 10 protected)
22 juin 2023 à 10 h 12
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Quoting: Civil_Eng_PE
Then maybe take out the 2nd and do a 2024 1st (Top 10 protected)


Unprotected or Top 5 protected
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22 juin 2023 à 10 h 12
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Sorry buddy but his price went up since he was stolen from Chicago for just the 13th and 66th pick
22 juin 2023 à 10 h 14
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Quoting: Civil_Eng_PE
I do feel like he is worth around a 25th-30th OA pick. He was the center piece of the Seth Jones trade and last year when he was the QB of the CBJ PP1 for the first time in what feels like 2-3 seasons we had a decent PP.


He also hasn't played more than 40-something games in a season.
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22 juin 2023 à 10 h 15
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Unprotected or Top 5 protected


Jarmo would probs do top 5 protected depending on how much he likes Dach. I think there were reports that we were in on him last summer when he was being shopped around.
22 juin 2023 à 10 h 15
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So the odd man out of your top 4 is worth aguably a 13th overal pick (which was Dach's low value)?

Roslovic add nothing to this trade for the habs.

While Bob seems like a nice RD to have - I'm not willing to send our #2 Center with great potential for a guy getting passed by Blankenburg, Severson and Gudbranson in the depth chart.
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22 juin 2023 à 10 h 15
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I do think people generally underestimate Boqvist's value. They forget how young he is because he's been in the NHL for 5 years. He took strides last year, especially as an athlete, and is primed to keep moving up.
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It is worth noting that Dach's value did indeed go up. He remains an excellent target for CBJ. Honestly, I hope CBJ can do some work to scoop up some players in the remnants of wherever PLD goes. If that's MTL, Dach. If it's LAK, Vilardi. If it's FLA, Reinhart. Something to that effect would go a long way.
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22 juin 2023 à 10 h 16
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He also hasn't played more than 40-something games in a season.


TBF its not like Dach stays healthy all the time either. He is tougher than Boqvist but he also misses games.
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22 juin 2023 à 10 h 17
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I do think people generally underestimate Boqvist's value. They forget how young he is because he's been in the NHL for 5 years. He took strides last year, especially as an athlete, and is primed to keep moving up.
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It is worth noting that Dach's value did indeed go up. He remains an excellent target for CBJ. Honestly, I hope CBJ can do some work to scoop up some players in the remnants of wherever PLD goes. If that's MTL, Dach. If it's LAK, Vilardi. If it's FLA, Reinhart. Something to that effect would go a long way.


Would be poetic if PLD joining a new team lets us obtain a new 1/2 C
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22 juin 2023 à 10 h 18
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So the odd man out of your top 4 is worth aguably a 13th overal pick (which was Dach's low value)?

Roslovic add nothing to this trade for the habs.

While Bob seems like a nice RD to have - I'm not willing to send our #2 Center with great potential for a guy getting passed by Blankenburg, Severson and Gudbranson in the depth chart.


Boqvist is 100% our 2RD right now. Above Gudbranson and Blanks by far lol. But I get it. I think if PLD ends up on the Habs a trade may be worked out between CBJ and Montreal.
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22 juin 2023 à 10 h 21
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Quoting: MTLaveragefan
So the odd man out of your top 4 is worth aguably a 13th overal pick (which was Dach's low value)?

Roslovic add nothing to this trade for the habs.

While Bob seems like a nice RD to have - I'm not willing to send our #2 Center with great potential for a guy getting passed by Blankenburg, Severson and Gudbranson in the depth chart.


I’d say boqvist is 2RD. He’s not getting passed on the depth chart he just has the most trade value
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22 juin 2023 à 10 h 34
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Dach isn’t on the trade block. Neither for Boqvist or any player. He was Mtl best players on second Half of the season. Wouldn’t be surprised that he get near a point per game this season.
22 juin 2023 à 10 h 38
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Can't fathom the Habs doing this.

The idea of Boqvist being available and thus teams wanting him is born from the thought that he's being squeezed out in CLB in the lineup this year and may come at a not so expensive cost for teams to acquire.

If he's being shopped at top dollar, I don't think many teams will be interested at that cost.
22 juin 2023 à 10 h 50
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Well since Dach is a former 3rd OV pick (was valued between 10-11 since it was the 13th+66th OV picks for him), maybe the 3rd OV and 5th OV picks should be in the conversation. Assuming, MTL gets PLD, Roslovic isn't going to bring any value to the trade and they probably won't want his cap hit either. The difference between the 3rd OV and 5th OV is the 37th+101st (MTL's 2nd and 4th). I would value Dach like a 10th OV pick since that's basically what he was acquired for last off-season, so then it's just determining the difference between Dach and Boqvist.

So, the starting point would be:

CBJ receives: 1st MTL + 2nd MTL + 4th MTL+ Dach
MTL receives: 1st CBJ + Boqvist +...

It would probably make sense to remove the MTL 2nd since they would want more picks vs CBJ and then add whatever needs to be done.


Benefit of including of the pick swap:

I know a lot of CBJ fans will be against trading the 3OV except for a bonafide C, but chances are that Carlsson is making less of an impact than Dach will in the following season. MTL would likely select Michkov/Carlsson (BPA) or Reinbacher (if they draft based on need) which might mean that SJ takes Carlsson/Reinbacher but CBJ can still get a C in Will Smith. There is the possibility that MTL and SJ take two of Reinbacher/Michkov/Smith and Carlsson drops to CBJ anyways.
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Well since Dach is a former 3rd OV pick (was valued between 10-11 since it was the 13th+66th OV picks for him), maybe the 3rd OV and 5th OV picks should be in the conversation. Assuming, MTL gets PLD, Roslovic isn't going to bring any value to the trade and they probably won't want his cap hit either. The difference between the 3rd OV and 5th OV is the 37th+101st (MTL's 2nd and 4th). I would value Dach like a 10th OV pick since that's basically what he was acquired for last off-season, so then it's just determining the difference between Dach and Boqvist.

So, the starting point would be:

CBJ receives: 1st MTL + 2nd MTL + 4th MTL+ Dach
MTL receives: 1st CBJ + Boqvist +...

It would probably make sense to remove the MTL 2nd since they would want more picks vs CBJ and then add whatever needs to be done.


Benefit of including
I know a lot of CBJ fans will be against trading the 3OV except for a bonafide C, but chances are that Carlsson is making less of an impact than Dach will in the following season. MTL would likely select Michkov (BPA) or Reinbacher (if they draft based on need) which might mean that SJ takes Carlsson but CBJ can still get a C in Will Smith.


Love the analysis. Makes a lot of sense
22 juin 2023 à 10 h 57
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Love the analysis. Makes a lot of sense


Thank you, would love to see a V2 of this once the debate about the value of Boqvist is settled.
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22 juin 2023 à 11 h 17
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Quoting: Civil_Eng_PE
Love the analysis. Makes a lot of sense


HABS want to draft Smith. Hughes was his coach in the Juniors.

And you`re proposed trade is Ludicrous
22 juin 2023 à 11 h 19
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HABS want to draft Smith. Hughes was his coach in the Juniors.

And you`re proposed trade is Ludicrous


HABS are not looking for the 3rd pick, they are negotiating for the 2OA or 4AO. At 2 they draft Fantilli or at 4 they draft Smith
22 juin 2023 à 11 h 20
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Now this is a deal I could get behind. I could even see this Dach/Boqvist swap rolled into the 3OA for 5OA discussion, as long as CBJ are assured that MTL is taking Michkov so they can be sure they are getting a center at 5.
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22 juin 2023 à 11 h 23
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HABS are not looking for the 3rd pick, they are negotiating for the 2OA or 4AO. At 2 they draft Fantilli or at 4 they draft Smith


If both of those pics are not available and 3 is for Dach then you have to go with 3 if you want Smith. It isn't just 2 or 4 or no deal.
22 juin 2023 à 12 h 11
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I’d say boqvist is 2RD. He’s not getting passed on the depth chart he just has the most trade value


Fair enough.
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22 juin 2023 à 21 h 53
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Only way im trading Dach is if the 3rd pick or Jiricek (habs would add to either trade)
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