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Créé par: JeffGorton
Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 21 mai 2023
Publié: 21 mai 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Habs drafts selections

#5: Michkov/ Smith

#14: Reinbacher/Wood/Musty

#29: Hrabal/Perron/Dragicevic

#37: Hrabal/Halttunen
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
88 500 000 $
21 500 000 $
87 750 000 $
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Liljegren, Timothy
  2. Muzzin, Jake
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (BOS)
TOR
  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. Xhekaj, Arber
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
2.
MTL
  1. Carter, Jeff
  2. Granlund, Mikael
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
PIT
  1. Kovacevic, Johnathan
  2. Ylönen, Jesse [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
  4. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (VGK)
3.
MTL
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (COL)
Détails additionnels:
Anywhere that needs cheap depth

Would cost like a 4th each or a 3rd for both idc anymore
COL
  1. Edmundson, Joel (1 750 000 $ retained)
  2. Hoffman, Mike (2 250 000 $ retained)
4.
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [Droits de RFA]
WPG
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Mesar, Filip
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (BOS)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
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2025
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2182 500 000 $74 314 166 $1 170 000 $4 752 500 $8 185 834 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 8
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3 362 500 $3 362 500 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
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950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 500 000 $$4M)
AD, AG
RFA - 2
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897 500 $897 500 $ (Bonis de performance557 500 $$558K)
AD, AG
RFA - 2
7 750 000 $7 750 000 $
C
UFA - 8
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
C
UFA - 7
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
C
UFA - 2
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3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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1 925 000 $1 925 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance275 000 $$275K)
DD
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
762 500 $762 500 $
DD
UFA - 1
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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21 mai 2023 à 21 h 50
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Prepare to get yell at by Toronto and Pittsburgh fans. Those are fair trade but still, they will yell at you. Especially Pens fans that think they can dump Granlung for a fifth max.
21 mai 2023 à 21 h 51
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The TO deal is very favorable for Montreal. I can see why the other moves would be a possibility albeit Colorado cap is probably too tight.
21 mai 2023 à 21 h 55
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
Prepare to get yell at by Toronto and Pittsburgh fans. Those are fair trade but still, they will yell at you. Especially Pens fans that think they can dump Granlung for a fifth max.


Pen fans don’t like Granlund.

Leaf fans would take that deal if Montreal retained on Anderson. Also, no need to include Muzzin — he’ll go on LTIR — if he is healthy he’s a terrific defenceman.
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21 mai 2023 à 21 h 57
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Quoting: Prime_Jimbo
The TO deal is very favorable for Montreal. I can see why the other moves would be a possibility albeit Colorado cap is probably too tight.


Col was a placeholder, i just want Eddy and Hoff gone anywhere

The TO deal does favor the Habs, was kinda trying to see how other Habs fans would react more than Leafs fans
21 mai 2023 à 21 h 59
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Pen fans don’t like Granlund.

Leaf fans would take that deal if Montreal retained on Anderson. Also, no need to include Muzzin — he’ll go on LTIR — if he is healthy he’s a terrific defenceman.


Habs would never retain on Anderson. If his contract was 2 years, i could see it but 4 years left is too much. Thats why I added a contract and LTIR isnt active during the offseason. So Muzzin is technically counting towards the cap rn. Would help the Leafs make the major moves they should be making
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 2
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
Prepare to get yell at by Toronto and Pittsburgh fans. Those are fair trade but still, they will yell at you. Especially Pens fans that think they can dump Granlung for a fifth max.


Literally nobody thinks that, but enjoy yourself.
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 4
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Horrid for the Leafs. Anderson is not worth is cap, and Muzzin if he remains on LTIR doesn't hurt the Leafs cap at all. And LTIR doesn't hurt a team during the off season.
Horrid for Colorado and really any team, who don't want even retained cap dumps
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 11
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All teams that aren't Montreal say no very easily.
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 12
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Pens better accept and send a fruit basket
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21 mai 2023 à 22 h 13
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Quoting: JeffGorton
Habs would never retain on Anderson. If his contract was 2 years, i could see it but 4 years left is too much. Thats why I added a contract and LTIR isnt active during the offseason. So Muzzin is technically counting towards the cap rn. Would help the Leafs make the major moves they should be making


A contract on LTIR has no barring on the cap. Anderson is a good player but overpaid for what he brings and cap space is the most limiting factor in todays NHL. Teams give away first round picks to save 5 million. Imagine what Anderson’s cap hit times four years could buy you on the open market. Plus you wouldn’t have to give up a first.

5.5 times 4 easily gets you Bertuzzi. Heck it might be enough for the Leafs to keep Bunting (3.2 million), Schenn (1 miillion) and Accari (1.3 million) which is heck of a lot better than just Anderson.
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 14
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Whats MTL Motivation here?
Liljgren's basically Petry when we acquired him for a 2nd and 4th round pick
Muzzin is of no interest at all

Xhekaj alone has more value then anyone offered .
He's our Tom Wilson, dont ever expect him to leave as long as Caufields in MTL
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 15
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Quoting: Billy739
Whats MTL Motivation here?
Liljgren's basically Petry when we acquired him for a 2nd and 4th round pick
Muzzin is of no interest at all

Xhekaj alone has more value then anyone offered .
He's our Tom Wilson, dont ever expect him to leave as long as Caufields in MTL


The extra 1st round pick and solid young RHD dman is not enough motivation. And they get to save 5m in cap
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 18
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Quoting: Newtown
A contract on LTIR has no barring on the cap. Anderson is a good player but overpaid for what he brings and cap space is the most limiting factor in todays NHL. Teams give away first round picks to save 5 million. Imagine what Anderson’s cap hit times four years could buy you on the open market. Plus you wouldn’t have to give up a first.

5.5 times 4 easily gets you Bertuzzi. Heck it might be enough for the Leafs to keep Bunting (3.2 million), Schenn (1 miillion) and Accari (1.3 million) which is heck of a lot better than just Anderson.


1st off Bertuzzi never comes to canada. 2nd,Bunting isnt staying after being healthy scratched in the playoffs. 3rd, Bunting and Bertuzzi both get over 6 million and they are 7 year deals. 4th, Anderson scored more goals than both of them and has the playoff edge the Leafs actually need
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 19
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that Pittsburgh trade would be nice
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 19
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All teams that aren't Montreal say no very easily.


Of course youd say that. But once again, your opnion has a much merit as Dubas does when it comes to creating successful teams
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 26
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1st off Bertuzzi never comes to canada. 2nd,Bunting isnt staying after being healthy scratched in the playoffs. 3rd, Bunting and Bertuzzi both get over 6 million and they are 7 year deals. 4th, Anderson scored more goals than both of them and has the playoff edge the Leafs actually need


Anderson did not score more than Bunting. I’m also not sure what playoff edge Anderson has, he’s got just 14 points in 43 playoff games, not the best
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 34
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1st off Bertuzzi never comes to canada. 2nd,Bunting isnt staying after being healthy scratched in the playoffs. 3rd, Bunting and Bertuzzi both get over 6 million and they are 7 year deals. 4th, Anderson scored more goals than both of them and has the playoff edge the Leafs actually need


It doesn’t matter. There are a million better ways to spend 5.5 million times 4. That was just 2 examples. Now add a first round pick and the options are endless.
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 37
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Anderson did not score more than Bunting. I’m also not sure what playoff edge Anderson has, he’s got just 14 points in 43 playoff games, not the best


The year Montreal made the finals there were 3 main factors, none of which were Anderson.

1) Price
2) Weber
3) The ability for Chariot, Edmundson and the rest of the Canadiens to cross check people in the head repeatedly and not get a penalty.
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 39
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Anderson did not score more than Bunting. I’m also not sure what playoff edge Anderson has, he’s got just 14 points in 43 playoff games, not the best


Simple
Without him Schiefele isnt shut down
Without him Marners a bigger factor
Without him Karlsson opens MTL a new Ahole in the WCF on our SCF run.

He's a Prick and a Good one who draws as many penalties as he takes.
More important his Offensive Zone Entries is top of the team always since arriving
He battles along the boards and cycles pucks back to the defensman.
He's a big body who also likes to battle in front

But most importantly , what he has others dont as a Power Forward of his size?
Its his Speed and ability to capitalize on break aways where he just outright has 2 steps on everyone not named Mcdavid basically

Could he be better? Absolutely, he could play like the top 6 Winger we paid him to be
Issue is he's more of a middle 6 kinda guy who was elevated to protect Caufield once MSL took over as coach.
Its the same set up MIN used elevating Foligno and Bottom 6 Winger to Top line to protect Kaprisov.

If im building a team i want Anderson at Maroon rate's but that's a pipe dream in a tax province vs tax free state
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 43
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Quoting: Newtown
Leaf fans would take that deal if Montreal retained on Anderson. Also, no need to include Muzzin — he’ll go on LTIR — if he is healthy he’s a terrific defenceman.


If Mon retains 50% (and pays the price for the extra 25%) and Lilly gets replaced by Robertson or Hirovenen.
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 46
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Quoting: Newtown
The year Montreal made the finals there were 3 main factors, none of which were Anderson.

1) Price
2) Weber
3) The ability for Chariot, Edmundson and the rest of the Canadiens to cross check people in the head repeatedly and not get a penalty.


This is so ignorant i dont know where to start.
Anderson wasnt the guy, he was one of many
Thats how we got there

Weber was playing with 2 injuries and like Gallagher ended the year on IR
He joined the team during the Playoffs where players had to help them pick up their slack.
Weber had Chiarot carry him while also holding Merrils hand because we couldnt trust our 3rd pair without a top 4 guy holding their hand

Petry got his finger jammed in a slot for the Camera's that a Photographed left open and became a non factor soon after while Romanov stepped up someone especially in handling Pietrangelo who was Physically Dominating and Descimating Petry and Weber at this point. By the time we got to the SCF our two top 4 RD were rocking 2-3 injuries each and had equipment modified so they could continue to play.

Price 100% was a main Factor
Outside that Caufield , Toffoli , Suzuki , Perry , Staal and even ****ing Joel Armia had a bigger impact then most of your dumbed down viewpoints on MTL's run. . .
Thats before we even consider the role Danault , Gallagher , and Byron played in Shutting down some of the top Forwards in the league and stacked teams in TML,WPG and VGK.

You want to be ignorant , fine
But expect for me to Correct any Slander you post


Have a Nice Day
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21 mai 2023 à 22 h 48
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Quoting: Billy739
Simple
Without him Schiefele isnt shut down
Without him Marners a bigger factor
Without him Karlsson opens MTL a new Ahole in the WCF on our SCF run.

He's a Prick and a Good one who draws as many penalties as he takes.
More important his Offensive Zone Entries is top of the team always since arriving
He battles along the boards and cycles pucks back to the defensman.
He's a big body who also likes to battle in front

But most importantly , what he has others dont as a Power Forward of his size?
Its his Speed and ability to capitalize on break aways where he just outright has 2 steps on everyone not named Mcdavid basically

Could he be better? Absolutely, he could play like the top 6 Winger we paid him to be
Issue is he's more of a middle 6 kinda guy who was elevated to protect Caufield once MSL took over as coach.
Its the same set up MIN used elevating Foligno and Bottom 6 Winger to Top line to protect Kaprisov.

If im building a team i want Anderson at Maroon rate's but that's a pipe dream in a tax province vs tax free state


I don’t think anyone is disputing his value as a player. Power forwards that can play a regular shift have value. Whether he is a top 6 forward or top 9 is up to debate. He shows flashes of brilliance but disappears for long stretches. If he’s consistent, he’s Tom Wilson lite and well worth a top 6 spot and his contract, but be honest, how many games have Hab fans wanted to see Josh Anderson do something, anything, and it hasn’t happened? Too much for 5.5 times 4.
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 51
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If Mon retains 50% (and pays the price for the extra 25%) and Lilly gets replaced by Robertson or Hirovenen.


I don’t think Hirvonen would be a problem for most Leaf fans. Personally, unlike many, I still like Robertson’s upside if he can stay healthy.
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 53
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I don’t think Hirvonen would be a problem for most Leaf fans. Personally, unlike many, I still like Robertson’s upside if he can stay healthy.


Obviously, but my point is, the Leafs won't give up much more than a 1st for a 75% retained Anderson. Even then... I'd be sketched out as these next years were the same years Lucic went to s**t. The Dif. though, is the Lucic can stand up for anybody... Anderson just a bigger and more scared version of Marner when it comes to fights
21 mai 2023 à 22 h 54
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Quoting: Billy739
This is so ignorant i dont know where to start.
Anderson wasnt the guy, he was one of many
Thats how we got there

Weber was playing with 2 injuries and like Gallagher ended the year on IR
He joined the team during the Playoffs where players had to help them pick up their slack.
Weber had Chiarot carry him while also holding Merrils hand because we couldnt trust our 3rd pair without a top 4 guy holding their hand

Petry got his finger jammed in a slot for the Camera's that a Photographed left open and became a non factor soon after while Romanov stepped up someone especially in handling Pietrangelo who was Physically Dominating and Descimating Petry and Weber at this point. By the time we got to the SCF our two top 4 RD were rocking 2-3 injuries each and had equipment modified so they could continue to play.

Price 100% was a main Factor
Outside that Caufield , Toffoli , Suzuki , Perry , Staal and even ****ing Joel Armia had a bigger impact then most of your dumbed down viewpoints on MTL's run. . .
Thats before we even consider the role Danault , Gallagher , and Byron played in Shutting down some of the top Forwards in the league and stacked teams in TML,WPG and VGK.

You want to be ignorant , fine
But expect for me to Correct any Slander you post


Have a Nice Day


Weber wasn’t inured. Read the quotes by Tampa’s players that said as much and stated he was a beast and beat on them all series.

Before the next season started the NHL had meetings and a crackdown on crosschecking. It was out of control and Montreal was the beneficiary.

These items can both be verified with a simple Google search.
 
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