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Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Now What?

18 mai 2023 à 17 h 26
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I think you might be going light on some of the contracts but who knows. Personally Brock Nelson scares me. This team needs to get younger and quicker.

I would want to look at Frost or Hayton as 2C options next year


Both those 2 strike as too green personally.

I thought Nelson could make sense now that the Islanders add Horvat.

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18 mai 2023 à 17 h 43
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Both those 2 strike as too green personally.

I thought Nelson could make sense now that the Islanders add Horvat.

I look tosee if I can come with a new name


Yup, your not wrong. But just to compare these two for a second. Hayton putting up very similar numbers to Johnston on a pretty terrible ARI team and he is doing that while getting almost double the Def Zone starts. With all the clouds surrounding ARI right now, he is my ideal target. TOR needs to find a young 2C that can grow with the team. I could see him really break out here is TOR.

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18 mai 2023 à 21 h 35
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For sure, my first choice would be Gourde but SEA does have some C's that could be moved. But I don't believe Wright is close to be NHL ready, so maybe not.


In terms of age, Gourde isn't young. I was shocked to learn he's older than Brock Nelson. I thought it was the other way around.

I'd aim for someone younger.
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18 mai 2023 à 22 h 4
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18 mai 2023 à 22 h 19
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Last year it also happened but he remained which surprised me as I thought he was off to FLA

Would not surprise me if he goes to WSH
18 mai 2023 à 22 h 22
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So I made a team and its interesting.

Barbashev-Matthews-Bertuzzi
Tavares-Rodrigues-Marner
Knies-Holmberg-Jarnkrok
Motte-Acciari-Lafferty

Rielly-Schenn
Girard-Brodie
McCabe-Timmins

Woll/Samsonov

Everyone fits almost 1mill in space and 22man team (extras Gio and McMann)

Costs Nylander and Liligren but adding a Dman like Girard adds some puck moving and offense
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18 mai 2023 à 22 h 22
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In terms of age, Gourde isn't young. I was shocked to learn he's older than Brock Nelson. I thought it was the other way around.

I'd aim for someone younger.


Me too.

I want Gourde because he has that
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18 mai 2023 à 23 h 31
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https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4187336

I think I found the worst Nylander trade proposal of all time
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18 mai 2023 à 23 h 33
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I think I found the worst Nylander trade proposal of all time


I'd be content with Olausson if he was also packaged with Byram
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18 mai 2023 à 23 h 34
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I'd be content with Olausson if he was also packaged with Byram


In general if Avs called and said give u Girard for Nylander I would start exploring

Girard is a Dman who might need a new team and has the tools to be dangerous plus on a nice contract and not even close to 30

Now there was a proposal released and it scares me as it looks really realistic but also gives me Kadri vibes

Devon Toews + Newhook for Nylander
18 mai 2023 à 23 h 43
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In general if Avs called and said give u Girard for Nylander I would start exploring

Girard is a Dman who might need a new team and has the tools to be dangerous plus on a nice contract and not even close to 30

Now there was a proposal released and it scares me as it looks really realistic but also gives me Kadri vibes

Devon Toews + Newhook for Nylander


Toews > Girard 🤷‍♂️
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18 mai 2023 à 23 h 52
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Toews > Girard 🤷‍♂️


The thing im concerned about is Toews away from Makar as it seems when he doesnt play with him or Girard he struggles hmmm

Girard meanwhile when he plays with a defensive Dman seems to thrive (Manson) seems to do well

Idk to me a Dpairing of Girard-Brodie would do well. And with Girard being 25 and having a nice contract I see it working nicely.
18 mai 2023 à 23 h 52
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In general if Avs called and said give u Girard for Nylander I would start exploring

Girard is a Dman who might need a new team and has the tools to be dangerous plus on a nice contract and not even close to 30

Now there was a proposal released and it scares me as it looks really realistic but also gives me Kadri vibes

Devon Toews + Newhook for Nylander


Toews and Newhook for Nylander would be an absolutely incredible deal. Toews' contract will be tricky given his age and his inevitability gargantuan payday, but he is one of the league's best. He could easily be a number 1 defenseman for a cup winning team. Newhook is no slouch either. If Nylander is out and Toews could be extended at roughly the same amount as what Nylander would cost (~8 mil) for something like 5 years, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Knies - Matthews - Bertuzzi
Newhook - Tavares - Marner
Robertson - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
McMann - Acciari - Lafferty

Toews - Severson
Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren

Samsonov
Woll

It's obviously a big stretch, but thats a great team
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18 mai 2023 à 23 h 53
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The thing im concerned about is Toews away from Makar as it seems when he doesnt play with him or Girard he struggles hmmm


I remember watching Toews play with the Islanders in the playoffs prior to him being shipped off for two 2nd rounders. He was fantastic there as well, I can't even describe to you how jealous I was of Colorado when they pulled that deal off.

Toews rules
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18 mai 2023 à 23 h 56
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I remember watching Toews play with the Islanders in the playoffs prior to him being shipped off for two 2nd rounders. He was fantastic there as well, I can't even describe to you how jealous I was of Colorado when they pulled that deal off.

Toews rules


In general both are good Dman. The big advantage to Girard hes 25years old (not in prime) and has shown when he plays with a defensive Dman he does very well.

Now if Toews was willing to sign a reasonable extension would also consider him
18 mai 2023 à 23 h 57
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Eww yuck









Devon Toews in the playoffs

7 Games played (1st round)
—9 Points (2nd among Dmen)
—5 Points at 5v5 (2nd among Dmen)
—56.59 xGF%
—60.38 SCF%
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19 mai 2023 à 0 h 3
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Yea the more I think about it I think (and especially with the Landeskog news) we might see

Newhook + Toews for Nylander

Just pls let it not be another Kadri like trade where both guys come and are meh here while Willy goes and give Avs 50 goals or something lul
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19 mai 2023 à 0 h 5
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For the record I love the idea of Toews and Newhook for Nylander. But I’ve had a couple avs fans in ACGM tell me they wouldn’t trade Toews for Nylander straight up so I don’t know what to think.
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19 mai 2023 à 0 h 7
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For the record I love the idea of Toews and Newhook for Nylander. But I’ve had a couple avs fans in ACGM tell me they wouldn’t trade Toews for Nylander straight up so I don’t know what to think.


Will see if I can find it as it was an Avs fan who suggested it

Heck I think an Avs forum on twitter talked about it to lul
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19 mai 2023 à 0 h 7
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For the record I love the idea of Toews and Newhook for Nylander. But I’ve had a couple avs fans in ACGM tell me they wouldn’t trade Toews for Nylander straight up so I don’t know what to think.


Yeah I've been surprised that so many people propose that. Very lopsided in the Leafs favor
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19 mai 2023 à 0 h 8
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The thing im concerned about is Toews away from Makar as it seems when he doesnt play with him or Girard he struggles hmmm

Girard meanwhile when he plays with a defensive Dman seems to thrive (Manson) seems to do well

Idk to me a Dpairing of Girard-Brodie would do well. And with Girard being 25 and having a nice contract I see it working nicely.


Toews actually looks pretty good without Makar
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19 mai 2023 à 0 h 10
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For the record I love the idea of Toews and Newhook for Nylander. But I’ve had a couple avs fans in ACGM tell me they wouldn’t trade Toews for Nylander straight up so I don’t know what to think.


I would do that trade in a heart beat

Rielly Schenn
Toews Liljegren
McCabe Timmins

Yes pls

I also believe TOR would not skip a beat if they replaced Nylander with Garland but thats me
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19 mai 2023 à 0 h 14
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I would do that trade in a heart beat

Rielly Schenn
Toews Liljegren
McCabe Timmins

Yes pls

I also believe TOR would not skip a beat if they replaced Nylander with Garland but thats me


Heck before he leaves a pair of Toews-Brodie would be solid

Rielly-Schenn
Toews-Brodie
McCabe-Liligren
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19 mai 2023 à 0 h 15
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I would do that trade in a heart beat

Rielly Schenn
Toews Liljegren
McCabe Timmins

Yes pls

I also believe TOR would not skip a beat if they replaced Nylander with Garland but thats me


I really want to extort Vancouver out of a pick for Garland. Imagine a world where the Leafs get #11 to pick Sandin Pellika AND also get Simashev at 28... One can dream
19 mai 2023 à 0 h 17
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I really want to extort Vancouver out of a pick for Garland. Imagine a world where the Leafs get #11 to pick Sandin Pellika AND also get Simashev at 28... One can dream


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