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2022-23 NHL Playoff Discussion Thread #2: Ryan Suter is the biggest bird

3 mai 2023 à 13 h 4
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I dunno, maybe a bad take.

Started working and put random YouTube on other pc, it ran thru toronto postgame stuff.

They sound like scientists describing hockey. It sounds like they all have to say and act like a very specific way.

It gives me the perception that they are wound extremely tight, perhaps afraid to make mistakes or play with emotion.

I’m slowly disliking Sheldon Keefe and John Tavares. Neither are inspiring, whereas Matthew Tkachuk and Paul Maurice are the exact opposite.

If they’re gonna play Tampas game, then Flordias game, and so on if possible, they aren’t going to win a cup ever.


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Here are the top 10 all-sitation xG differential games so far in these playoffs. Last nights TOR vs. FLA game featured the 2nd largest differential. The Leafs game would be the "worst" loss for a team in the playoffs so far, in the sense that the team who generated far better chances lost the game.

If you played that game ten times TOR is wining 9 of them. There was a ton to like if you are a Leaf fan after watching how they performed against TBL, like night and day. If Bobrovsky continues to rock a +.944 save percentage throughout the Series, well you tip your hat and move on.
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3 mai 2023 à 14 h 35
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List 80-point centers that were Selke finalists...

Aleksander Barkov (2022)
Rod Brind'Amour (2007)
Bobby Clarke (1983)
Pavel Datsyuk (2008, 2009)
Sergei Fedorov (1992, 1994)
Peter Forsberg (1997)
Ron Francis (1996)
Doug Gilmour (1993, 1994)
Nico Hischier (2023)
Anze Kopitar (2018)
Elias Lindholm (2022)
Mike Modano (2001)
Troy Murray (1986)
Mike Richards (2009)
Joe Sakic (2001)
Bryan Trottier (1984)
Steve Yzerman (1996)

List of guys who did it before they turned 25-years old...

Sergei Fedorov (1994)
Peter Forsberg (1997)
Nico Hischier (2023)
Mike Richards (2009)



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3 mai 2023 à 14 h 50
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
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Here are the top 10 all-sitation xG differential games so far in these playoffs. Last nights TOR vs. FLA game featured the 2nd largest differential. The Leafs game would be the "worst" loss for a team in the playoffs so far, in the sense that the team who generated far better chances lost the game.

If you played that game ten times TOR is wining 9 of them. There was a ton to like if you are a Leaf fan after watching how they performed against TBL, like night and day. If Bobrovsky continues to rock a +.944 save percentage throughout the Series, well you tip your hat and move on.


The xG difference was only that big because of all the chances the Leafs got when they pulled their goalie for the 6 on 5. Before they pulled the goalie the xG was 3.769-2.782 in favour of the Leafs (all situations). Looking at only 5v5 it was 2.84-2.65 also in favour of the Leafs. They had more chances but it wasnt that big of a margin if you add context
3 mai 2023 à 14 h 56
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3 mai 2023 à 15 h 25
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The xG difference was only that big because of all the chances the Leafs got when they pulled their goalie for the 6 on 5. Before they pulled the goalie the xG was 3.769-2.782 in favour of the Leafs (all situations). Looking at only 5v5 it was 2.84-2.65 also in favour of the Leafs. They had more chances but it wasnt that big of a margin if you add context


The context

At 2:49 left in the 3rd TOR pulled Samsonov (36.5 secondes left got the Bennett penalty). They registered (Tavares 4 shots, Rielly 1 shot, Nylander 2 shots, Matthews 1 shot) 8 total shots.

In Period 1
xGF all situations
TOR 1.22 FLA 1.22

Period 2
TOR 1.02 FLA 0.43

Period 3
TOR 2.21 FLA 0.82
3 mai 2023 à 15 h 34
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The context

At 2:49 left in the 3rd TOR pulled Samsonov (36.5 secondes left got the Bennett penalty). They registered (Tavares 4 shots, Rielly 1 shot, Nylander 2 shots, Matthews 1 shot) 8 total shots.

In Period 1
xGF all situations
TOR 1.22 FLA 1.22

Period 2
TOR 1.02 FLA 0.43

Period 3
TOR 2.21 FLA 0.82


Im confused is that supposed to be the whole game or only until they pulled the goalie? It doesnt add up to the Leafs 5.59xG in the screenshot earlier

moneypuck has Toronto with over 2 xG after the goalie was pulled. Using the raw xG numbers which include that to say toronto wouldve won 9 out of 10 times doesnt really make sense since if TOR wasnt losing they never wouldve pulled the goalie in the first place
3 mai 2023 à 15 h 37
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
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Here are the top 10 all-sitation xG differential games so far in these playoffs. Last nights TOR vs. FLA game featured the 2nd largest differential. The Leafs game would be the "worst" loss for a team in the playoffs so far, in the sense that the team who generated far better chances lost the game.

If you played that game ten times TOR is wining 9 of them. There was a ton to like if you are a Leaf fan after watching how they performed against TBL, like night and day. If Bobrovsky continues to rock a +.944 save percentage throughout the Series, well you tip your hat and move on.


Agree with a lot, maybe this sums up my feelings better:

When I hear florida talking about the series they mostly talk about what they are going to do, how they are going to set the tone.

When I hear Toronto talking about the series they seem to talk a lot about how to defend against, for example, Matthew Tkachuk, or the physicality.

Toronto should be telling Florida how to play, Florida’s D should be stretched back and confused in their zone. Floridas wingers should be afraid to overcommit.

Florida should be worried about how they will contain Mitch Marner, auston matthews, Toronto’s depth with Ory as the 3C, etc. But they don’t care really, their answer is consistently [yeah they’re skilled guys we’re going to play our game.]

Toronto needs to know they’re going to win. It feels like they want to find the exact method that gives the best chance at winning on paper. Toronto is better, deeper, faster, and more physical (if you exclude Matt Tkachuk who is just different).
3 mai 2023 à 15 h 39
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Im confused is that supposed to be the whole game or only until they pulled the goalie? It doesnt add up to the Leafs 5.59xG in the screenshot earlier

moneypuck has Toronto with over 2 xG after the goalie was pulled. Using the raw xG numbers which include that to say toronto wouldve won 9 out of 10 times doesnt really make sense since if TOR wasnt losing they never wouldve pulled the goalie in the first place


I use Natural Stat Trick

All situations
3 mai 2023 à 15 h 47
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I mean, Seattle is a team built off of depth, Edmonton is a team built off McDrai, I don’t think Seattle can be a budget Edmonton


I mean in terms of both score there problems away

As lets be honest it was kind of a common theme these series.

Both had defensive issues at times and goaltending was a bit shakey.
3 mai 2023 à 18 h 1
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
I use Natural Stat Trick

All situations


Ok using NST look at the gameflow chart for xG:

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Look at the end of the 3rd period where the xG spikes up, thats all from the 6 on 5. Before they pulled the goalie it was a pretty close game in terms of xG
3 mai 2023 à 18 h 12
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Am I missing something? Is this supposed to be a joke or some woke response?

If it's real, do what you will, but it just seems bad for brand cohesion if that's my business lol
3 mai 2023 à 19 h 28
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Christ this Canes team is good.
Complete domination from them so far.
3 mai 2023 à 19 h 41
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Quoting: Steven_Stamkos
Am I missing something? Is this supposed to be a joke or some woke response?

If it's real, do what you will, but it just seems bad for brand cohesion if that's my business lol


I don’t know, I think it’s mostly a joke lol. Just thought it was funny.
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3 mai 2023 à 19 h 50
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Did anyone tell The Devils that their win over the Rangers means they have a game in Carolina tonight?
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3 mai 2023 à 20 h 7
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Did anyone tell The Devils that their win over the Rangers means they have a game in Carolina tonight?


1. Devils look very tired. Just came off of a 7 game series and traveling to NC. Canes have had much rest (5 days)
2. Canes have a very good game plan verses the Devils. Looks like Game 1 vs the Rangers. I expect Ruff to adjust like he did vs the Rangers
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3 mai 2023 à 20 h 15
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We are 25 minutes into the game and Freddie hasn't stopped a single offensive zone shot
3 mai 2023 à 20 h 32
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1. Devils look very tired. Just came off of a 7 game series and traveling to NC. Canes have had much rest (5 days)
2. Canes have a very good game plan verses the Devils. Looks like Game 1 vs the Rangers. I expect Ruff to adjust like he did vs the Rangers


Devils look asleep

Game 2….Luke in, Graves out
3 mai 2023 à 20 h 51
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2nd period was all Devils. Right calls on Martinook (2 min) and Staal (4 min) and it’s 2-1 game with three power play chances to even.
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3 mai 2023 à 21 h 32
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2nd period was all Devils. Right calls on Martinook (2 min) and Staal (4 min) and it’s 2-1 game with three power play chances to even.


Refs were brutal tonight
3 mai 2023 à 21 h 42
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Refs were brutal tonight


Martinook tearing helmet off
Staal high stick on Hughes (4 min)
Trip on Sharangovich
Boarding on Bratt
Staal clearing faceoff with hand

12 minutes of PP…

Devils played like garbage. But refs didn’t help.
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3 mai 2023 à 21 h 45
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Vegas pregame cracks me up
3 mai 2023 à 21 h 56
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Martinook tearing helmet off
Staal high stick on Hughes (4 min)
Trip on Sharangovich
Boarding on Bratt
Staal clearing faceoff with hand

12 minutes of PP…

Devils played like garbage. But refs didn’t help.


There might have been offside on the Skjei goal (I didn't see a good replay though)
3 mai 2023 à 22 h 1
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There might have been offside on the Skjei goal (I didn't see a good replay though)


Skjei goal was 100% offside. Surprised the Devils didn't challenge it.

Can't blame anyone but the coaching staff for that though, that's what the challenge is for and they often let close ones go because the review exists
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3 mai 2023 à 22 h 10
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In how many series did the "better goaltending" win?

Ullmark/Swayman -- Bobrovsky/Lyon
Vasilevskiy -- Samsonov
Shesterkin -- Schmid/Vanecek
Sorokin -- Anderson/Raanta
Hellebuyck -- Brossoit
Korpisalo -- Skinner
Gustavsson/MAF -- Oettinger
Georgiev -- Grubauer
3 mai 2023 à 22 h 17
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In how many series did the "better goaltending" win?

Ullmark/Swayman -- Bobrovsky/Lyon
Vasilevskiy -- Samsonov
Shesterkin -- Schmid/Vanecek
Sorokin -- Anderson/Raanta
Hellebuyck -- Brossoit
Korpisalo -- Skinner
Gustavsson/MAF -- Oettinger
Georgiev -- Grubauer


5 (games 5 and 6 are the exceptions)
3 (only game 3,5 and 6)
3 (the last three games)
Like 2 or 3 (both islanders wins and maybe game 6)
2 ( game 2 and 4)
1 (game 5)
Almost, if not every game
Every kraken win minus game 5
 
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