Agree. Hindsight is needed to evaluate this deal and folks are oversimplifying tremendously

First we need to see NJD win 2 playoff rounds this year or next (I think they will), then the deal becomes more fair for SJ. It's really a necessity for SJ at this point (go Devils!)
Next we need to see how Mukhamadullin and Holtz develop and are utilized over the next few years.

Holtz because I think he was part of the conversations and ultimately Grier didn't want him for both his worth and how his inclusion likely reduced the overall return. So we have to see if Holtz blows up into a star or not to see if SJ passing on Holtz was a huge mistake or if he is overrated. I bet the conditional 2nd/1st was dropped off the deal if Holtz was included over Muk.

Zetterlund is going to have a bigger role in SJ than he would in NJ. Okhotiuk is also a good piece that will be utilized by SJ sooner. People forget how much of a turd SJ's prospect pool is compared to NJ's and so a swap of minor pieces dramatically improved SJ's situation. Muk was like NJ's 4th or 5th best prospect? He is probably SJ's 2nd or 3rd best now.

Grier continues the quantity over quality approach like he did with the 11th OA 22' pick.

Agree. Hindsight is needed to evaluate this deal and folks are oversimplifying tremendously

First we need to see NJD win 2 playoff rounds this year or next (I think they will), then the deal becomes more fair for SJ. It's really a necessity for SJ at this point (go Devils!)
Next we need to see how Mukhamadullin and Holtz develop and are utilized over the next few years.

Holtz because I think he was part of the conversations and ultimately Grier didn't want him for both his worth and how his inclusion likely reduced the overall return. So we have to see if Holtz blows up into a star or not to see if SJ passing on Holtz was a huge mistake or if he is overrated. I bet the conditional 2nd/1st was dropped off the deal if Holtz was included over Muk.

Zetterlund is going to have a bigger role in SJ than he would in NJ. Okhotiuk is also a good piece that will be utilized by SJ sooner. People forget how much of a turd SJ's prospect pool is compared to NJ's and so a swap of minor pieces dramatically improved SJ's situation. Muk was like NJ's 4th or 5th best prospect? He is probably SJ's 2nd or 3rd best now.

Grier continues the quantity over quality approach like he did with the 11th OA 22' pick.

I was expecting something around Mukhamadullin, 1st, 2nd, lesser prospect (like Okhotiuk).
So to that, San Jose added Zetterlund for retention, talking Johnsson and the other minor pieces.

And SJS fans gotta start getting acquainted with Muk.
Even though many Devils fans never once saw him play, usually those that did liked what they saw.

Hindsight isn't needed whatsoever. Expectations are what is needed. What kind of player do you expect to get from those picks (reminder playoff team = later in the rounds) What are the potential of these players?

Top picks/prospects can turn into busts and later picks can turn into superstars, so you saying no hindsight is needed is really weird. SJ will likely get 2 late 1sts out of this deal and Muk will likely develop into a top-4 D man. It's a quantity over quality deal, but that's typically what happens in trades: You get a known quality piece for a bunch of quantity because that may match each team's needs at the time. The market was such that teams were not willing to drop their top prospects for Meier, and in this case SJ likely wanted Muk more than Holtz due to Holtz's skating.

This is getting way too philosophical for me. Would those busts be due to the team not being able to develope or are we saying they picked the wrong player? Think we can't take Hindsight into any trade because GMs can't.

I think the problem most have from the SJ side are the magic beans. SJ got a replaceable 3rd liner, a defensive prospect, and what are either 2 very late firsts or a late first and mid to late second. That’s it. Given the percentages of players making the NHL they’re lucky if either of the two picks plays a full NHL career.

The key piece is Muk and, given NJ’s prospect pool, many of the other magic beans should have been sacrificed for one of the true top prospects. Nemec or Hughes should have been the targets, frankly, no matter what the cost, be it negotiations with Meier, throwing in Bonino, giving up picks, etc. SJ will be drafting a high-end forward this summer, also known as Meier’s replacement/upgrade(?). They traded their best defensive prospect in the system earlier in the year and their 2 best young defensemen are no where near top-2 quality. Karlsson is very possibly gone in the summer and there is a huge hole left by he and Burns and no one to fill.

Muk appears serviceable and likely will be a top 4, but he is not a talent like the other 2. SJ and Mike Grier missed on this trade.

Yes, I am. And krebs was the centerpiece. I have the inside scoop. Kevyn Adams was not doing a trade with Vegas if it did not include Krebs.

And for the record:

Tuch 100 points
Eichel 68

Still feel Tuch is better? Lol

Yes.

Bahaha enjoy the bias buddy

Yes, I am. And krebs was the centerpiece. I have the inside scoop. Kevyn Adams was not doing a trade with Vegas if it did not include Krebs.

And for the record:

Tuch 100 points
Eichel 68

Yes, I am. And krebs was the centerpiece. I have the inside scoop. Kevyn Adams was not doing a trade with Vegas if it did not include Krebs.

And for the record:

Tuch 100 points
Eichel 68

Yeah about the whole “Krebs was the centerpiece”