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2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #11: The Main Event

22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 25
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Quoting: Db1899
If Sebastian Aho was made available he'd be the 2nd best D on the market. He'd be a good fit on Dallas or Minnesota


2nd best D on the market for the Islanders or league-wide?
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22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 29
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Chycrun to OTT makes no sense though as hes a LD. They need a shutdown RD who can play with Chabot or be with Sanderson in a mentor role

Chycrun makes more sense for a team needing a LD like LAK

For Ottawa I feel they did this just to get cap space


The whole LD, RD thing depending on Handness is really overated imo, If your a good skater you can play both some actually find they prefer the Right side.

I don't completely disagree they could use a shutdown D to Pair with moreso Chabot but I don't think there is really a DFD RD on the market other than Murphy or Jensen who are both 30+ next season. I also believe either Chabot or Sanderson could move to the other side.
22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 30
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
The whole LD, RD thing depending on Handness is really overated imo, If your a good skater you can play both some actually find they prefer the Right side.

I don't completely disagree they could use a shutdown D to Pair with moreso Chabot but I don't think there is really a DFD RD on the market other than Murphy or Jensen who are both 30+ next season. I also believe either Chabot or Sanderson could move to the other side.


NSH made Fabbro available and hes been a nice 2nd pair shutdown RD before this year

For a 2nd and B prospect should be able to get him
22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 34
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
The whole LD, RD thing depending on Handness is really overated imo, If your a good skater you can play both some actually find they prefer the Right side.

I don't completely disagree they could use a shutdown D to Pair with moreso Chabot but I don't think there is really a DFD RD on the market other than Murphy or Jensen who are both 30+ next season. I also believe either Chabot or Sanderson could move to the other side.


Doesn’t it simply have to do with having the strong side on their forehand for passing, especially lateral passes? If you’re on the “wrong” side then you’d have to backhand to your defense partner or winger.

I do agree it’s probably overblown though.
22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 34
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Quoting: SevenLeg
2nd best D on the market for the Islanders or league-wide?


3rd* league wide. He’s a very good 2nd pair D.
22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 35
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Im really curious with the Muzzin news who Toronto's gonna add to D.

There's one team im waiting on till the TDL to see where they at before saying it

But I feel 2nd pair shutdown net front guarding RD is needed and should be an upgrade over what Holl already does
22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 36
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
Chychrun>>>>
Gavrikov>>
Kulikov>
Ghostisbehere>>>>
Parayko>>>>
Soucy>>>>
Ekholm>>>>


Chychrun and Ekholm 100%. Kulikov and gavrikov suck. Payaryko and soucy are mediocre
22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 38
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Quoting: justaBoss
Bruh. He's a 6th D in NYI based on accrued ice time. A 27-year old playing his first year as a full-time NHLer.

Analytically he's been great, but...2nd best D? Tone it down a notch.


Aho always been good. He just never got a fair shot. It doesn’t matter what his TOI is, he’s been the best isles D by far. His relative numbers are great and he passes the eye test
22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 40
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Quoting: Db1899
Chychrun and Ekholm 100%. Kulikov and gavrikov suck. Payaryko and soucy are mediocre


Yea I'd still put Aho in the below average category./bad.. Just because his charts are blue in a small sample size doesnt make him good...

I'd take 5 of those Dman over Aho and wouldn't think twice
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22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 45
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Quoting: Db1899
if you think Aho is below average you're either ignorant or have a low IQ


Considering he's a 3rd pair Dman at best that technically means he's below average in terms of DMan. He plays favorable minutes, and has good analytics in a SMALL sample size.
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22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 46
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22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 48
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Islanders are 5-2-2 since the Horvat trade and are looking like they'll make it. Trade was well worth it thus far.
22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 49
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
Considering he's a 3rd pair Dman at best that technically means he's below average in terms of DMan. He plays favorable minutes, and has good analytics in a SMALL sample size.


that's not how this works man. He does not play favorable minutes, he plays against opposing team top 6 , he just doesn't get much time on special teams. 56 games is a pretty good sample size to say he's been very good this season.

If you can prove me wrong that Aho is actually a below average defenseman ill Venmo you $100
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3rd* league wide. He’s a very good 2nd pair D.


Karlsson, Ekholm, Orlov, Jensen, Chychrun, McCabe are all options I'd consider better adds.
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22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 50
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Islanders are 5-2-2 since the Horvat trade and are looking like they'll make it. Trade was well worth it thus far.


AHL Healthy scratch imo
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22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 50
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Islanders are 5-2-2 since the Horvat trade and are looking like they'll make it. Trade was well worth it thus far.


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22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 51
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Quoting: SevenLeg
Karlsson, Ekholm, Orlov, Jensen, Chychrun, McCabe are all options I'd consider better adds.


fair enough, I didn't even know all of them were available in a trade. I'll just leave it at Aho has been a good 2nd pair D and would be a good add for a contender, especially when you consider his cap hit is 825 k through next season
22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 52
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Canucks fans worst nightmares be like


Montreal fans pumped. Another team Florida has to beat
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22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 53
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fair enough, I didn't even know all of them were available in a trade. I'll just leave it at Aho has been a good 2nd pair D and would be a good add for a contender, especially when you consider his cap hit is 825 k through next season


But I kinda agree that the cap hit may make him more enticing (or doable) than some of the bigger names.
22 févr. 2023 à 21 h 56
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Montreal fans pumped. Another team Florida has to beat


Then you realize they’re one point ahead of the penguins
22 févr. 2023 à 22 h 1
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Then you realize they’re one point ahead of the penguins


3 teams below them have a better point % so I'm not worried yet. They're still out of a playoff spot in my mind.
22 févr. 2023 à 22 h 3
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Quoting: Db1899
that's not how this works man. He does not play favorable minutes, he plays against opposing team top 6 , he just doesn't get much time on special teams. 56 games is a pretty good sample size to say he's been very good this season.

If you can prove me wrong that Aho is actually a below average defenseman ill Venmo you $100


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Fairly average numbers, below average competition has a limited role. Is a 3rd Pair Dman on literally every team in the league which by the definition shown above is below average when 2nd Pair skill level is average...
22 févr. 2023 à 22 h 7
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
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Fairly average numbers, below average competition has a limited role. Is a 3rd Pair Dman on literally every team in the league which by the definition shown above is below average when 2nd Pair skill level is average...


He's a 3rd pairing defender that faces lower tier competition. Db is completely wrong lol
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22 févr. 2023 à 22 h 12
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
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Fairly average numbers, below average competition has a limited role. Is a 3rd Pair Dman on literally every team in the league which by the definition shown above is below average when 2nd Pair skill level is average...


you just posted a chart that shows he's better than half defenseman in a 2 year span and this season better than around 80-85%. So you now you're proving you can't read a chart that you posted. Take a lap
22 févr. 2023 à 22 h 12
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
He's a 3rd pairing defender that faces lower tier competition. Db is completely wrong lol


Aho faces above average competition this season. Even if you use basic counting stats and on ice stats, he is much better than a 3rd pair D this season.
 
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