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Hutson for Durzi

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Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 22 févr. 2023
Publié: 22 févr. 2023
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The Scratches Section is whom i think will be gone in 9 -10 days at the TDL.
Wont bother making those trades the focus here is Durzi for Hutson and the cost.


Lane Hutson is 5'10 first off before anyone comes to try about site's that arent updated regularly saying otherwise check out NCAA's official site for Lane Hutsons team which clearly marks the 2 inch growth spirt last fall . Only reason i noticed the announcers during NCAA games dont shut up about it and the comparisons to Makar .


Hutson address's LAK LD Depth Quality as a team VERY Deep in RD to the same degree MTL is with LD.
We'd have to move a Ghule or a Matheson to make this work , even then Harris ,Xhekaj, Kovacevic, and Struble will be pushing for minutes to this year and next.
Trudeau and Beaudin are great AHL call up options this year with Norlinder to a lesser degree there also.

We got Adam Engstrom according to coaches they've had to escort out of the building for training too much i kid you not. With his team daily , with Junior teams , by himself and never wants to leave the ice. His on ice game shows its paying off as he's 2nd in Rookie production in SHL only to Bystedt (i butchered the name im sure) and contiunes to absorb minutes . He's a Darnell Nurse level Athlete who knows no other way but to train all out all the time .

Clearly Engstrom like Hutson has become a unique variable.
If im choosing between the 2 im taking the dude dominating in a stacked SHL.
Hutsons a Norris Trophy caliber guy 100% no doubts .
Just when i see the interviews and maturity with the way he carries himself i think Lidstrom who was The Norris Trophy Guy for a long period of time based on insane conditioning among other things, but i digress.


Struble has a shot to push out first Wideman then Savard early.
He played beside Harris for 3/4 pro season with the first season and a half on his Right Side.
It was the only way he could get minutes and those were great seasons for Harris offensively.
They form kind of a Eddy-Petry type dynamic that 1st year and assuming his team continues their run in the playoffs he'll be up around 2nd week of April to play at the latest.


Beaudin has an edge because in 10 games beside Barron they did more on PP then
The entire Laval Roster combined in the previous almost 30 games.
They pass effortlessly to each other and seem to have an instant chemistry .
If injuries happen he might buy himself the rest of the year in the NHL the way we're going.

Trudeau is just boned despite overachieving i have better odds of finding my innonence again then he has of making MTL's roster full time .
We'd have to lose someone longterm like Ghule or Matheson for him to get a shot in a very small time frame
Thats the only way i see him pushing someone our as RD has better options today atleast .
Which would have been his best chance to showcase his talent


Our Right Defense on the other hand is Barron, Mailloux and project player Tournigy
Thats it outside Savard and Wideman who will be gone the minute they can be pushed out.


Durzi for Hutson makes sense for MTL.
For LAK assuming they see him as more then just a top 10 NCAA scorer but also as a fit to a hole they have.
Bjornfot isnt that guy and Anderson cant play both top 4 LD roles by himself long term.
Hutson fits in nicely between them though and offers the same PP playmaking ability Durzi does.
Question becomes now ,Whats the Cost?

I'm not sure as i've had LAK fans tell me fill that LD hole and a 2nd or a 3rd and Durzi's ours
But ive also heard he's untouchable unless they get a Romanov type deal and a prospect
I'm willing to do either , i dont care as this post is solely about finding the middle ground on cost.


All i ask is be productive in your comments

I'm starting out with us paying for NHL ready vs close to NHL ready /maybe next year.
I figure Durzi and Hutson need balance and the edge needs to go to LAK
Kidney gives LAK time and a wiaver exempt player for 3 years vs 1 with Turcotte.
Kidney is at a better place then Turcotte is as he struggles in his 3rd year Pro in LAK system.
1st round pick gives both teams insurance as a 2024 pick is worth it for MTL while a 2023 if Turcotte someone breaks out is worth it to LAK

Both Kidney and Hutson could be ready as soon as next training camp.
If Hutson wins the Hobey then like 95% of all winners i expect he'll turn Pro.
Kidney could got back to Junior for a Suzuki like Memorial Cup run whether he wins this year or not.
He's got better odds of making the jump to the NHL with a little more time to pack on muscle as his style of play is Gallagher style spark plug/team guy.
Again Skill set is at the same level but unlike Turcotte i find Kidney's built for battling that comes with bottom 6 roles.

Turcotte i feel if all works out could be a nice option for us .
His age /point in his career he's at fits the gap in our center depth during this rebuild.
Playing inbetween Suzuki and Dvorak could be great and buy us a year until PLD's a UFA.
IF he overachieve's though he'll put us in a position where we wont need PLD .


Both teams gain and both teams win
MTL is the one taking the biggest risk as its a lot more uncertain Turcotte makes the NHL then Kidney or Hutson.
Durzi's a big piece but from what i gathered at the highest a Romanov type deal was ask for.
Well it may be conditional but that FLA pick fits the bill and odds are LAK will convert on it as MTL needs centers and Turcotte would be top call up by proxy.
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  1. Durzi, Sean
  2. Turcotte, Alex
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (LAK)
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-Shouldnt have to sell anyone on Durzi but think Petry if he was good enough to be a #1 RD solo as Durzi showed he can as a rookie with Doughty,Roy and Walker injured much or all of last year. He's also Suzuki's best friend with chemistry and success in Junior together(nice added bonus)

-Turcotte's not progressing entering the final year of his ELC while Kidney is younger and will have an ELC slide on this year giving LAK the same quality with more time and a waiver exempt player for up to 3 year on a cap strapped team. Kidney plays a mix of Gallagher/Marchands style of hockey with an edge and provide's a style of player a deep team like LAK could use.
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  1. Hutson, Lane [Liste de réserve]
  2. Kidney, Riley
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (MTL)
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-5'10 check his teams site.
- 7th OA in NCAA scoring (last 2 D to place top 10 won Hobey)
- If he wins will become first rookie since Kariya to win Hobey Baker Award. (Makar won year 2, year 1 he had half Hutsons production)

Bonafide Future All Star and since 2014 most of the Hobey Baker award winners have panned out with a similar success rate as CHL Player of the Year has for Decades.
MTL takes a risk on Turcotte over Kidney as we only got 1 year to turn him around before Waivers. That said im basing alot on him improving in Laval as his dad was a huge name for MTL's AHL system mentoring Claude Lemieux the year he was called up for the 1986 cup run. More then that his chemistry as the Center Caufield played with when he wasnt beside J.Hughes makes him an interesting pick up . While he's a bigger risk if his chemistry with Caufield is still strong he's got a signifigant upside to

Conditional 1st becomes a 2023 FLA pick (17th OA) if Turcotte plays more then 10 NHL games before the end of this season. (covers LAK incase Turcotte breakouts on his own on a injury depleted team that needs a Center in which he becomes the strongest call up option by proxy)
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22 févr. 2023 à 11 h 23
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WTF, Hutson will possibly be the perfect partner for ghule. Mtl won't trade him
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Habs declone this trade easily.

You dont in a rebuild trade a potential norris dman for one who definitely wont be. Nevermind the insanity of trading the habs 1st rounder next year
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Gee, you claim Hutson is a certain NHL All Star and you trade him, and give you a first too?
Durzi and Turcotte..are "easily" replaceable. Hutson if living up to his claims.....not so much.
22 févr. 2023 à 11 h 29
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i just dont see why the habs would make this deal. they arent in a position to win now and hutson is the future of their defense
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22 févr. 2023 à 11 h 30
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WTF, Hutson will possibly be the perfect partner for ghule. Mtl won't trade him


He doesnt play RD
Like Mete he gets run over
Trying to make him a LD like with Mete will lead to injury issues at his size

The reason mostly big players play their off side is it forces you to turn you back to make the play on your forehand leaving you exposed to be run over.
The exception is someone extremely good on their back hand who wont create turnovers fanning on the puck

But nothing i've seen suggests he's ever played RD
Nothing suggest he should as its safer to move Ghule to RD if nothing else.
22 févr. 2023 à 11 h 32
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NEVER!!!! You will need to add Byfield and Brandt Clark
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22 févr. 2023 à 11 h 34
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Quoting: Billy739
He doesnt play RD
Like Mete he gets run over
Trying to make him a LD like with Mete will lead to injury issues at his size

The reason mostly big players play their off side is it forces you to turn you back to make the play on your forehand leaving you exposed to be run over.
The exception is someone extremely good on their back hand who wont create turnovers fanning on the puck

But nothing i've seen suggests he's ever played RD
Nothing suggest he should as its safer to move Ghule to RD if nothing else.


LIKE Tory Krug he becomes a STUD!!!!!
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22 févr. 2023 à 11 h 36
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Gee, you claim Hutson is a certain NHL All Star and you trade him, and give you a first too?
Durzi and Turcotte..are "easily" replaceable. Hutson if living up to his claims.....not so much.


Turcotte is always injured and is most likely done trying to break into the NHL. He will never get more than 8 minutes per game. Most likely a bottom 6 fwd
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22 févr. 2023 à 11 h 36
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Habs declone this trade easily.

You dont in a rebuild trade a potential norris dman for one who definitely wont be. Nevermind the insanity of trading the habs 1st rounder next year


You clearly dont know who Durzi is .
He's a Shot Blocking Power Play Leader who can play 20 + minutes a night in his first 2 years with no break in pace.
Beside Ghule atleast 1/2 will be a Norris Trophy Winner atleast a couple times
To this point Ghule's had to carry the team with his most consistent help being Savard.
Durzi can help him signifigantly leaving Barron to lock down 2nd RD and Mailloux 3rd RD longterm

That's before we factor in the Career year Suzuki had on Power Play with Durzi on that memorial cup run.
The only one better then they were is Laval Rockets Teasdale who's on fire right now

While the chemistry might not translate to the NHL both Suzuki and Durzi's PP ability individually did without a doubt.
Especially given Suzuki being a ghost of a goal scorer without Caufield this should be a priority giving the Captain options
22 févr. 2023 à 11 h 40
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Quoting: Billy739
He doesnt play RD
Like Mete he gets run over
Trying to make him a LD like with Mete will lead to injury issues at his size

The reason mostly big players play their off side is it forces you to turn you back to make the play on your forehand leaving you exposed to be run over.
The exception is someone extremely good on their back hand who wont create turnovers fanning on the puck

But nothing i've seen suggests he's ever played RD
Nothing suggest he should as its safer to move Ghule to RD if nothing else.


Of course Guhle would play on his offside ...
Hutson-Guhle
Harris-Barron
Xhekaj-Mailloux would be good
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22 févr. 2023 à 11 h 50
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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy
Of course Guhle would play on his offside ...
Hutson-Guhle
Harris-Barron
Xhekaj-Mailloux would be good


It would be

But where's Matheson go?
What about Kovaecvic who's turning into an Eddy before our eyes?
What about Savard ?

More important what happens when Engstrom comes up?
Guys like him coaches dont leave on the bench.

Hutsons great but longterm , no he doesnt fit
Teams coveted and trade for high end RD for a reason
Most players cant play their off side, even fewer can maintain their production by doing so.

Besides thats just the overachievers from the last 2 years
What happens when the next batch comes up ?


Its just so expensive and costly to make all the moves just to accomodate 1 player.
If he had size enough or was skilled enough on his back hand to play his offside that's different.
But i dont like the idea of putting baby in the corner as Ghule's been leading this team and we just all but F'd his Norris trophy hopes for a new guy
22 févr. 2023 à 11 h 57
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Kidney > Turcotte

Hutson potential alone is worth 10 Durzis
22 févr. 2023 à 12 h 0
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Quoting: BadaBing
Turcotte is always injured and is most likely done trying to break into the NHL. He will never get more than 8 minutes per game. Most likely a bottom 6 fwd


Yeah i know but so was Danault and Dach , look how they worked out here.
Danault was deffinately wrote off the same way as a bottom 6 guy at best but Shaw helped elevate him as a Center when Desharnais and Mitchell went down .
Within 2 years he was a top 6 guys undisputed on our team

Turcotte i figured might get a boost given who his dad was and what he meant as a leader for the youth that went on to win the 1986 cup.
Maybe that might spark something in him

But agreed his value's low especially with 1 year left on his ELC its do or die time next year
22 févr. 2023 à 12 h 1
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
Kidney > Turcotte

Hutson potential alone is worth 10 Durzis


Man people dont know Durzi
But if thats the case ill just simply give up a 7th round pick and send LAK your way on the price quote
22 févr. 2023 à 12 h 10
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LIKE Tory Krug he becomes a STUD!!!!!


He could , but thats the exception not the rule
Given how well Hughes drafted this year i expect we'll have more Mesar's,Beck's, Engstroms ,Davidson's and Hutson's to talk about soon
I just dont like that he cant play defense walked onto a stacked team who needed a PP QB and boom he's a top guy.
The point of going to NCAA was top evolve his game including his defense which is bad.
I mean think PK Subban then factor in PK actually learned how to play Defense before earning an NHL job.
Odds are in a rebuild Hutson walks on with the sea's parted and still doesnt know how to play defense.

How many cups Krug won ?How many Gold Medals? World Cups?
Zero , he's won Zero because when facing Championship caliber depth he's easily ground out as shown by conference and finals loss's but no cups


See where im going with this?
No amount of individual awards will compensate for not winning a Cup , ask Torey Krug
22 févr. 2023 à 12 h 20
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I mean yeah the Kings would do that but idt the Habs would
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22 févr. 2023 à 12 h 24
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Hmmmm . . . all the Montreal homers savage you, and I think this is a good and fair trade, which no one has advanced before, for which I give you kudos . . . maybe I'm not as biased against Montreal (or you) as you think I am?
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22 févr. 2023 à 12 h 37
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Hmmmm . . . all the Montreal homers savage you, and I think this is a good and fair trade, which no one has advanced before, for which I give you kudos . . . maybe I'm not as biased against Montreal (or you) as you think I am?


Could be we both found some middle ground when it comes to fully looking at both sides.
I know i thought i did before but in hindsight there's time where i clung to much to historical pretext as if it guaranteed identical circumstances for it .

I was forced to look harder at our fanbase's level of Flair for the Dramatic.
It made me realize largely they're like dogs chasing cars always distracted by a new one going by lol
Each passing year its seems worse as a whole as fewer and fewer look at both sides of a deal in context.

I'll just leave it with i respect your POV more then i once did .
I hold no resentments nor cling to past disagreements like i sometimes do with others (Palhal, LittleJerry , ext)
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22 févr. 2023 à 12 h 40
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This is awful. No deal. Habs are interested in Durzi for sure, but not at the cost of the prospect in their pipeline that has the highest ceiling including Slafkovsky. Regardless of where you see his floor.

Also, Justin Barron and Logan Mailloux are gonna be number 3 or 4 defensemen, so the Habs don't really need Durzi as much as the OP seems to imply.
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22 févr. 2023 à 12 h 40
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Quoting: Billy739
You clearly dont know who Durzi is .
He's a Shot Blocking Power Play Leader who can play 20 + minutes a night in his first 2 years with no break in pace.
Beside Ghule atleast 1/2 will be a Norris Trophy Winner atleast a couple times
To this point Ghule's had to carry the team with his most consistent help being Savard.
Durzi can help him signifigantly leaving Barron to lock down 2nd RD and Mailloux 3rd RD longterm

That's before we factor in the Career year Suzuki had on Power Play with Durzi on that memorial cup run.
The only one better then they were is Laval Rockets Teasdale who's on fire right now

While the chemistry might not translate to the NHL both Suzuki and Durzi's PP ability individually did without a doubt.
Especially given Suzuki being a ghost of a goal scorer without Caufield this should be a priority giving the Captain options


I am well aware of who durzi is. He didnt do the things Hutson is doing at the same age. You clearly dont know who hutson is if you dont know that
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22 févr. 2023 à 12 h 42
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Appreciate the well written out explanations and thought process in your posts as always Billy but I got to be honest here. I don't think I've ever agreed with a single one of your trade ideas and the reoccurring theme is that 95% of commenters don't either. This one is no different. Doesn't mean you're wrong or that we're right. Just a philosophical difference of opinion I guess... That's perfectly fine. I'll take a post like this vs 75% of the terribly thought out AGM's on here.

Aside from the player evaluations perspective which can make or break anyone's opinion on a trade, if you were hell bent on getting Turcotte and Durzi, I truthfully think you get both for cheaper cost than you're entailing here. Wanting these two guys is not a bad idea but the cost has to fit and this is paying a premium for no reason IMHO.
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22 févr. 2023 à 12 h 45
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Hmmmm . . . all the Montreal homers savage you, and I think this is a good and fair trade, which no one has advanced before, for which I give you kudos . . . maybe I'm not as biased against Montreal (or you) as you think I am?


I love your comments hahaha
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22 févr. 2023 à 12 h 55
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Quoting: Billy739
It would be

But where's Matheson go?
What about Kovaecvic who's turning into an Eddy before our eyes?
What about Savard ?

More important what happens when Engstrom comes up?
Guys like him coaches dont leave on the bench.

Hutsons great but longterm , no he doesnt fit
Teams coveted and trade for high end RD for a reason
Most players cant play their off side, even fewer can maintain their production by doing so.

Besides thats just the overachievers from the last 2 years
What happens when the next batch comes up ?


Its just so expensive and costly to make all the moves just to accomodate 1 player.
If he had size enough or was skilled enough on his back hand to play his offside that's different.
But i dont like the idea of putting baby in the corner as Ghule's been leading this team and we just all but F'd his Norris trophy hopes for a new guy


Calm down cowboy
Hutson and Engstrom are YEARS away
Hutson will play another season or two in the NCAA or one in the NCAA & one in Laval. After those two years, Savard contract will be expired
Engstrom will probably play another 2 years in the SHL before making the jump in North America
Kovacevic is overrated, he is a #6 defenseman and ideally a #7

Next year :

Matheson-Savard
Guhle-Edmundson
Xhekaj-Harris
Kovy

2024-25 :

Guhle-Savard
Matheson-Barron
Xhekaj-Harris
Kovy

2025-26 :

Matheson-Harris
Guhle-Barron
Xhekaj-Mailloux
Kovacevic ?

Maybe
Matheson-Barron
Hutson-Guhle
Xhekaj-Harris
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22 févr. 2023 à 13 h 17
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We'd have to move a Ghule or a Matheson to make this work
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You lost me there. Guhle is the best potential top pairing D we have. Keeping him isn't even debatable.

The point of having good scouting and stocking high end picks, is to find the exceptional players. Hutson has exceptional ability. You can't compare him favorably to Makar and then suggest trading him in the same breath.

The general idea of trading from our LHD depth for a RHD is fine, but Guhle is definitely not the right move.
Moving Hutson becomes less likely as he progresses.

Would absolutely consider Hutson in a Durzi trade, but we cannot move our 1st in the same deal (at least not without lottery protection).
Personally I have doubts about Hutson. I'd love to be wrong, but I will admit it's better to keep him and find out ourselves.
We also have no need to pursue Turcotte.

Our best course of action is to remain patient and develop our prospects until the team shows it is prepared to take the next step. At that point, we see where our RD stands, who's available, and who we would consider moving.
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22 févr. 2023 à 13 h 30
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He could , but thats the exception not the rule
Given how well Hughes drafted this year i expect we'll have more Mesar's,Beck's, Engstroms ,Davidson's and Hutson's to talk about soon
I just dont like that he cant play defense walked onto a stacked team who needed a PP QB and boom he's a top guy.
The point of going to NCAA was top evolve his game including his defense which is bad.
I mean think PK Subban then factor in PK actually learned how to play Defense before earning an NHL job.
Odds are in a rebuild Hutson walks on with the sea's parted and still doesnt know how to play defense.

How many cups Krug won ?How many Gold Medals? World Cups?
Zero , he's won Zero because when facing Championship caliber depth he's easily ground out as shown by conference and finals loss's but no cups


See where im going with this?
No amount of individual awards will compensate for not winning a Cup , ask Torey Krug


So based on your Theory, Caufield will amount to nothing. The fact that he was drafted by the HABS at no. 15 and passed by other teams, won the Hobey Baker award and is probably the smallest player in the NHL, the HABS will never win a CUP with him. Dude wake up!!!!!!!
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