It's literally been reported and said on here many times wild don't want boeser, yet for some reason Vancouver fans keep trading him to Minnesota. No. Minnesota isn't trading dumba to Vancouver, nor is dumba waiving for Vancouver. Schenn is worth a 3rd, maybe 2nd.

Minnesota cannot afford Boeser beyond this season.

Pens would most likely accept if there's an extension in place

Its the same reason Toronto fans keep sending Alex Kerfoot to Vancouver in trades. People seem to think where a player is from plays any role in a team wanting them, just not the case.

I actually saw reports Minnesota was interested in Boeser, but didn’t think they could fit his cap hit. So there was interest, just Minnesota’s cap situation means there isn’t a fit

You’ll take Boeser and you’ll like it! Boeser is from Minnesota so that’s the only destination he’s allowed being traded to

Seattle is not trading Shane Wright. As good a fit as Horvat would be with Seattle, we may be looking at his ceiling right now. Wright's is quite a bit higher. As the Kraken build closer to being a cup contender in the years to come, they'll take Wright and his upside every time.

I can see Schenn going to the Lightning. Wright for Horvat just isn't happening. But I do think eating Dumba's salary for a pick is a great idea though,

let's see: Seattle could have Shane Wright from now through 2030, his age-26 season, with at least 3 more of those being at a sub-$1M AAV,

or they could have Bo Horvat from now through 2030, his age-35 season, at a cap hit of at least $8M AAV.


Which one are you taking? Horvat's shooting 10% higher than he has throughout his career - trading Wright for Horvat 1-for-1 would be almost the same as going to Horvat's rookie season and trading him straight up for Jiri Hudler (top 10 in goals & points that year!) and giving Hudler a big extension.

I agree with not trading Wright for Horvat.

However, even before this season, Horvat was an elite scorer, he was just overshadowed by Miller and Pettersson. Horvat was tied 35th in goals league-wide from 2019 to 2022. His average shooting percentage over the past 3 seasons has been 16.1%. He's only been shooting about 5-6% higher this season. If Horvat was scoring at that 16% rate, he'd still be Top-20 in goals this season.

Not sure where you're pulling that 16% over the past 3 years because Hockey-Reference has him at 12.4% in 2019-20, 14.5% in 2020-21, and 16.0% last season. He scored 72 goals on 503 shots over those 3 years - 14.8% overall, or just over 8 points less than his current shooting percentage (22.9%). (For context on the 10%, his career shooting% entering this year was 13.1% and before last night's game his % this year was 23.1.)

Not saying he's not a great scorer, just that if you want to value him it makes more sense to look at the 500+ games before this year than just the 44 games we have this year. From 2015-16 (his first season getting top-6 minutes) through last season, he averaged 25 goals and 55 points per year - totally good numbers for a high-end 2C who can fill in at 1C and get PP1 minutes! But some of your fellow Vancouver fans have put up a lot of posts valuing him at his current scoring rate, which feels a bit short-sighted to me! It would be the same as assuming Brock Nelson was all of a sudden a 40 goal scorer instead of a 25-30-55 guy after he shot 21.6% last season - sometimes dudes just go off and come back down to earth.

Right off of NHL.com https://i.imgur.com/i3Hagt0.png




You want to look at the seasons when he had the likes of Sven Baertschi, Ronald Kenins, and Derek Dorsett on his wing? Are you also going to mention that he was scoring a 20-goal/40-point pace with players who were essentially AHL tweeners on his line? You're doing the same thing you're accusing Vancouver fans of doing this season, focusing on a small aspect of his career and saying that he's worth far less than he is.

Horvat has scored at a 30-goal pace since 2016-17. His stats increased in 2018-19 when the Canucks roster improved to a point where he wasn't playing with bottom-six and fringe NHLers. If you had put Horvat with top-six talent, on average he's going to score at a 60-point pace. Horvat's a solid 1B option on any team in the league.

NHL.com must be doing something weird on your end because when I search "Bo Horvat" on their stats page and lock in 2019-20 through 2021-22, I get the same 14.3% (72 goals on 503 shots) - link here

I said he was a 25-30-55 guy who would be a high-end 2C/PP1 guy. You said he was a 60 point guy who's a solid 1B option. Not sure what you're disagreeing with me about, unless you think that him scoring an extra point every 16 games is going to make an immense difference in his value?

There’s a very high chance Shane Wright has a better season than Horvat next year and he’ll be on an ELC. Horvat and vancouvers 1st wouldn’t even get you Shane Wright

I wasn't disagreeing with the fact that he was a 60-point pace centerman in 2015-16, I showed why he was scoring at a lesser rate (his linemates) compared to now.

I was also pointing out the hypocrisy of you criticizing Canuck fans who are celebrating Horvat's current season, with you saying that Horvat's 44 games shouldn't matter, while at the same time calling back to Horvat's sophomore season (8 years ago?) and saying that should have more of an impact on his trade value. Horvat's 2015-16 season has no effect on the 2022-23 season on his current trade value (if any effect at all) and certainly much less of an effect than Horvat's current 56-goal pace campaign.

It makes no sense to value players based on how they performed 8 years ago; you don't see teams lining up to trade for Jamie Benn just because he was second in scoring in 2015-16. Teams will look at recent years which I highlighted in the comment you originally responded to: Horvat has been Top-35 in scoring from 2019 to 2022 if you're wanting to take recent history into account. Canuck fans are basing his value on Horvat's recent (2-3 years) level of play, which teams will, too.