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Armchair-GM
8 mars à 11 h 18
Sujet:
PLD im hoping they think twice about it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dons_weeney</b></div><div>If they go from Bergeron to Dubois in the span of 8 months........</div></div>
Yeah, I'd love for Boston to get an incredibly demanding 2C centre that thinks they're elite.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
8 mars à 11 h 13
Sujet:
PLD im hoping they think twice about it
I hope that Boston gets PLD, that would be hilarious.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
7 mars à 19 h 33
Sujet:
This Season is Cooked
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BrodeurBro30</b></div><div>If Henrique can get a 1st, and Mantha gets a 2nd and 4th, Toffoli can absolutely fetch a 1 with salary retained. He’s on pace for 30+ goals. Those players don’t grow on trees and he’s a postseason warrior. Also, Tank (rental) went for a 1st+ in the ‘23 deadline.</div></div>
It wasn't Henrique, it was Henrique + Carrick (both 75% retained) + 7th.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
7 mars à 18 h 20
Sujet:
This Season is Cooked
You're not getting a 1st + prospect for Toffoli, that's star centre level. He's a Top-6 winger, you'll get a 2nd + prospect for him, maybe a late pick, too.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
7 mars à 13 h 46
Sujet:
Playing around with a Lindholm trade idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>oh i'm saying i don't think you bring a thing to the table, and i generally don't enjoy conversing with children. best of luck sport.</div></div>
Come back when you have data and facts to back up your opinions.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
7 mars à 12 h 41
Sujet:
Playing around with a Lindholm trade idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>i'm 30, but whatever. so you're clearly still in high school, why didn't you play hockey? fun sport. give it a shot.</div></div>
Why don't you try to have a conversation and debate the topic instead of trying to ask what my high school interests are, boomer?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
7 mars à 12 h 34
Sujet:
Playing around with a Lindholm trade idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>lindholm is better at faceoffs. honestly, i don't really care about the fancy stats. they touch on about 2% of the equation. watch a game man. zacha is playing better than lindholm right now.
what did you call it? spongebob text or something? again - it makes you look really stupid. gen Z man, you guys are a hoot.</div></div>
ok boomer
Forum:
Armchair-GM
7 mars à 12 h 14
Sujet:
Playing around with a Lindholm trade idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>this is completely and utter delusional. stop lying to yourself - sensing a pattern here.</div></div>
Right, yeah my bad. Zacha's 45% on the faceoff is better than Lindholm's 56%.
Zacha's CF% at 5v5 is 47.5% whereas Lindholm's is 51.5% on Vancouver.
Zacha: https://i.imgur.com/jUzStr9.png
Lindholm: https://i.imgur.com/qpKLNpl.png
But again, I can back up my points with facts and evidence, you can only say "tHaT's nOt TRuE."
Forum:
Armchair-GM
7 mars à 11 h 40
Sujet:
Playing around with a Lindholm trade idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>notice, i wasn't comparing their careers. zacha is playing better than lindholm.....right now.</div></div>
And again, no Zacha is not playing better overall. <em>Slightly better</em> offensively, worse defensively.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 mars à 21 h 51
Sujet:
Playing around with a Lindholm trade idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>he's playing a heck of a lot better than lindholm is right now.</div></div>
No, he isn't.
Zacha has 1 more point in 1 less game while on pace for a career year and Lindholm is having a down year. Lindholm is far better overall; his defensive, penalty-killing, and faceoff skills are some of the best in the league. The only area Lindholm is struggling in right now is offense.
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Armchair-GM
6 mars à 21 h 2
Sujet:
Playing around with a Lindholm trade idea
No interest in Zacha.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 mars à 20 h 38
Sujet:
Flipping Lindholm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>I agreed with every word that writer said. It supports my point. It does nothing to support yours. did you not read it kiddo?
Here, let me help you out. This took about 30 seconds to look up. In the last 10 years, there have been four players traded around the deadline that have signed within 10 days of being traded:
Lindholm
JG Pageau
Mark Stone
Bo Horvat
Lindholm is one you could make an argument got as much as a second for an extension somewhat in place. I think it was more like Vaakainanen, valued maybe around a 4th, but whatever. The others? not a chance
1st and a 2nd for Pageau, a 26 year old shut down center on pace for 35 goals? there was no added value there. that's just the price.
Mark Stone, a point per game selke player getting a solid prospect and a second? there's no extra value there. ottawa got fleeced.
Bo Horvat - two way center on pace for north of 50 goals got a cap dump, a 1st, and a pretty good prospect. where's the extra value?
so you can continue to misread writers all you want, lie to yourself about what they said, in the case of seravelli, completely make up what they say, and take their words as you interpret them as gospel....or you can just look at what happens? good? good.
take care kiddo. best of luck in the spring semester.</div></div>
What are you comparing these trades to? You've only listed the trades themselves and we've already discussed two (Lindholm and Stone). Again, you haven't done anything to refute my Lindholm-Orlov comparison. Can you show a comparison to Lindholm where the player wasn't extended and fetched a similar value?
Like the Stone trade, Pageau's trade happened in a previous era of the NHL, also, you provided no value to compare it against. You just listed what Pageau's return was.
Can you expand on the Horvat deal, perhaps compare it to another trade of a top-line centre? Horvat for the 17th overall, Aatu Raty, and Beauvillier vs. what?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 mars à 20 h 28
Sujet:
Okay lets go
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Devsfan25</b></div><div>Not even considered. Alex Wennberg and Anthony Mantha just went for a 2nd and 4th. Both are worse than Toffoli. Toffoli is getting a 1st+. Lebrun has also said there’s a ton of interest</div></div>
Truscott is a high-quality defensive prospect in the NCAA, it's more than just a 2nd + 4th. The reported ask from the Devils for Toffoli is a pick + prospect, this would meet those requirements.
Also, most of the suitors have dropped out though, they've gone for different options. Florida got Tarasenko, Vegas got Mantha and Hanifin, and Edmonton got Henrique and Carrick. Carolina doesn't buy rentals. Boston doesn't need wingers. Since the Devils never trade with the Rangers, I believe only Colorado and Vancouver are potential trade partners.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 mars à 20 h 17
Sujet:
Flipping Lindholm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>1. i've seen your ACGMs, i don't care what you think.
2. what evidence did he provide? what proof? what comparisons? what of anything? if you can cite one viable piece of evidence he gave, i would be happy to hear about it.
Let me save you some times, I don't not consider the following sentence evidence that extensions can provide significantly more value: "Ideally, the Stars would find a trade partner who could sign Klingberg immediately to an extension, and thus drive the price up further."</div></div>
"This news article that completely disproves my point isn't sufficient proof because I said so." - Bcarlo25
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 mars à 19 h 41
Sujet:
TDL Lindholm
Hahaha, no. The Canucks aren't moving Hoglander for Guentzel. If the Canucks are moving any forwards its only Lindholm or Mikheyev.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 mars à 18 h 33
Sujet:
Flipping Lindholm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>you didn't provide them. i never indicated i had "insider reports." Rather, I suggested that a 20 year sample size of data was my evidence. Here it is, in great detail, and searchable: https://www.capfriendly.com/trades</div></div>
You can't provide any evidence, which is why you keep stalling, and saying my evidence (which I have provided) isn't good enough. You have no leg to stand on. It's clear to everyone reading this thread that your ego is preventing you from admitting you're wrong. You link the trade history here on CapFriendly, when I asked you to cite a specific example. "Player A was traded for X, Player B was traded for Y which brings up points 1, 2, and 3." If there are so many examples (as you have stated several times), you should be able to provide me with one example from the past two years, as I did when you asked.
Stop talking in circles and repeating that my points aren't valid solely because you say so. Provide evidence. The onus of proof is on you now. When you realize you can't provide the proof, you'll again turn back and say my points are invalid without providing a source to disprove them. Again, you have no leg to stand on. Set your ego aside and admit that you're wrong. Don't be a moron.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 mars à 18 h 17
Sujet:
Flipping Lindholm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>see i'm not basing my opinion on what random writers think. i'm basing it on objective truths. in other words - the stuff that actually freaking happens.</div></div>
You wanted an article and insiders for my proof, I provided them. I'm asking you to provide your sources in turn. Don't give me bull**** about objective truths. An objective truth is easy to prove, so prove it; provide an example of a trade comparison.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 mars à 17 h 50
Sujet:
Flipping Lindholm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>what do you want me to do man? you're saying the articles said something they didn't say. you even quoted it verbatim. it doesn't say what you are implying it says.
as for evidence - every single deadline trade that resulted in an extension in the salary cap era. every. single. one.</div></div>
Provide an article or insider report about how inconsequential a rental vs. an extension trade is. I've only asked you a half dozen times.
And provide an example of trade comparisons, as I did with Orlov and Lindholm. If there are so many from every single trade deadline over the past twenty years, then it will be easy to come up with some examples.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 mars à 17 h 42
Sujet:
Flipping Lindholm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>no, you did not provide that. apologies if you provided anything insightful after that, it's where i stopped.</div></div>
Your lack of intelligence and inability to understand how the articles correlate with my point isn't my problem. You keep saying, "This doesn't prove anything," or "No, you're speculating," yet you do nothing to refute my points or the articles. You continue to act like a child in this conversation, but I won't break out the crayons and make you a diagram of how this works. I won't stoop to your level of taking the ball and going home because you don't like how the conversation is going.
Provide evidence to back up your point and refute the points I have raised or admit that you were wrong.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 mars à 17 h 7
Sujet:
Could This Work
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JSEB93</b></div><div>Word - thanks! I do think Guentzel is worth more - but I'm expecting somewhat of a disappointing return. So trying to figure out realistically what that might be.
Although now that I saw the Walker trade - I think I may have undersold the Guentzel return a little bit haha</div></div>
Yeah, it doesn't help that Guentzel is injured right now either. I expect that the return will be more than that, too.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 mars à 17 h 4
Sujet:
Flipping Lindholm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>again, you were the one that brought up insiders. that was your case, "All the reports from insiders indicate a rental vs. long term contract significantly impacts the return." That was the very first thing you said to me.
I know what the text is designed to do. It doesn't have the desired affect. it just makes you look unintelligent.
You have made things up. You've tracked down articles and said, "see! this says A, B, and C!" And it just says something completely different that doesn't remotely support your point.
Stop shifting the goalposts. Lindholm's extension didn't significantly impact his trade value, because duh. look at the trade. likewise with every other deadline deal that results in an extension. If you want to just keep shifting the goalposts, have fun. i don't have the time for it.</div></div>
Yes, and I provided two articles that back up my point. You have not provided any articles or reports, only "vAGuE sPeCuLaTioN."
Buddy, you seem unintelligent. You cannot type correctly, you have provided no sources to back up your side of the debate, and have only been able to provide your speculation to refute my points. You're trying to turn this into a strawman about Spongebob text.
I haven't made anything up, I've used direct comparisons between real NHL players who were in similar positions and traded to the same team less than a year apart, explaining how they're similar and how we can compare the values of those trades. I've provided links to two articles that reinforce my statements. When I've asked you to do the same as you've requested of me, you can only provide vague speculation; no specifics about what the player was traded for or how it backs up your point, only "Mark Stone and Lindholm." You haven't provided alternative trade examples, or news articles about players' values with an extension vs. without one, or another modicum of evidence.
I haven't moved the goalposts whatsoever, I am asking that you use the same goal posts.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 mars à 16 h 42
Sujet:
Could This Work
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JSEB93</b></div><div>How would you feel about Guentzel 50% retained for:
1) one of Mikheyev, Garland or Lindholm
2) two of Podolzkin, Baines, Ratu, a first
Just tossing around some ideas</div></div>
I would trade Mikheyev, Bains, and Raty for Guentzel @ 50%. I'd even make that trade for no retention.
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Armchair-GM
6 mars à 16 h 40
Sujet:
Flipping Lindholm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>sure. lindholm. or how about every deadline rental that instantly inks an extension. notice how the trades never look much different than a regular deadline rental? how about mark stone? elite player signs an extension on the flight, and got a pretty minimal return. or we could just go through every single deadline trade. they all look pretty comparable regardless of an extension.
btw, the whole lowercase uppercase thing doesn't make you look smart. it makes you look like you don't have any creativity and can't come up with a comment of your own. You presented zero evidence, as what you were claiming was that an extension significantly alters value. neither of the two sources you cited mentioned that at all, they just mentioned vaguely that the ability to extend could increase value - which is something i have agreed with, and actively asserted. seravelli didn't even touch on it at all.
I just don't really get why you're trying to make stuff up. we can all just look at what happens in this league, and draw conclusions that normal people would.</div></div>
Where are your articles and insiders to back up your points? We have to use insiders! You can't use vague speculation!!!
I already referenced the Lindholm trade, I'm not sure why you're repeating that one when it goes against your point entirely. Stone was over 5 years ago, long before the Flat Cap Era. That's hardly relevant to the modern NHL. I used examples from within the last two years.
Spongebob text is designed to be mocking. You rejected my evidence and comparisons because they proved your opinion untrue. Your rejection had no counterpoint to reinforce your opinion, you said only no. Back up your point with evidence. Contradict my evidence with evidence of your own.
I have not made anything up, I've provided sources and comparisons — items you requested specifically and haven't been able to reproduce yourself. If you hold someone to a certain standard in a debate, you match that standard, too.
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Armchair-GM
6 mars à 16 h 19
Sujet:
Flipping Lindholm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>clearly....and i mean CLEARLY i was talking about the article about Klinberg.
you have shown extremely vague speculation. i didn't make it to the seravelli article because of how bad the first one was at "proving," your point.
update: seravelli doesn't even address your point. can you find something real?</div></div>
"vAgUE sPeCUlaTiOn" I've provided three sources to reinforce my point, including a detailed comparison of two similar players traded within a year to the same team. Where is your proof? It's your turn to provide evidence to back up your point.
You have claimed an extension or not has minimal effect on a player's value at the deadline. Please, provide evidence.
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Armchair-GM
6 mars à 14 h 12
Sujet:
Based on the latest rumors
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>laffytaffy13</b></div><div>If they want to fit in Guentzel they might have to</div></div>
Nope, Canucks can move out Mikheyev's contract instead.
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