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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 7 heures
Sujet: My crack at fiala
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>You are talking about term. I am talking about AAV.

So if Fiala wanted $5m/year or $9m/year, you think the trade price would be the same?

I mean, c'mon.</div></div>

Depending on how long that contract was going to be for and what teams doing the acquiring?

Yes.

The key in any contract negotiation is how long that player is willing to sign for and for how much. AAV goes down if the contract is longer term. It goes <em>up</em> when it's shorter term.

EVH has Fiala comped at $7-8M on his next contract if it's long-term.

If the team is in win now mode and they want Fiala for only a few years while they go for it and are willing to overpay on a shorter term contract to keep him there. The assets they're moving are going to be futures and do them no good anyway. They're expendable, to put it bluntly. So a higher AAV isn't likely to scare them off, now is it.

That doesn't mean trade value and the overall return diminishes just because he's going to be signed for a higher AAV. Because if the team wants the player badly enough, and is comfortable enough with the contract to be signed by the incoming player the assets delt are basically inconsequential in the acquiring teams mind.

If they're not comfortable, they move on. Bottom line.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 8 heures
Sujet: My crack at fiala
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>IcemanJoe</b></div><div>How do you know this? This all feels like assumptions not based in fact. If Fiala was going to sign for 6 mil, he’d already have a contract with the Wild. Wild offered 3 years 6 mil per last offseason. He should be in the 7+ mil range. Any team trading for Fiala knows this. And I’m sure after the Stanley cup final we’ll start hearing leaks of what Fiala’s contact demands are. Then all GMs will know.</div></div>

At this point, it feels like he’s trolling.

No matter how many times it's been explained, shown, or linked to an article that disagrees with his POV. He ignores it. Completely.

He's right, everybody else is wrong. And there can be no other possibility than what he thinks will happen.

There's a term for people like that.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 8 heures
Sujet: Necessary cap maneuvers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>robrob10</b></div><div>Nobody signed for 2023-24. Wallstedt is further away than that.</div></div>

Not true.

Professional scouts disagree with that assessment. They think he's a lot closer to NHL ready than that. This is the best goalie prospect in the world right now you're talking about.

Wallstedt is going to be playing in the AHL next year. It wouldn't be unreasonable to expect him to be pushing for a roster spot, even if it's as a backup, by 23-24. This is a kid who has been playing against grown men since he was 17 in the SHL, and succeeding.

The <em>only</em> reason he'll be playing for Iowa next year is so he can get accustomed to North American ice and game speed. That's it.

He's much farther along in his development as a goaltender at a younger age than your average goaltending prospect. He's not someone who's going to take until he's 27 to see NHL ice.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HOCKEYBOY448</b></div><div>Really I thought he’d have been over either that year or 24-25.</div></div>

He's signed his ELC and is expected to play for Iowa next season. He's already coming over.
Forum: Armchair-GMjeu. à 18 h 43
Forum: Armchair-GMjeu. à 18 h 38
Sujet: Barf
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>squashmaple</b></div><div>Not to pick nits, but Sillinger was not a college player. He was drafted out of the USHL, where he played because Covid basically canceled the WHL season. Otherwise he would've been in Medicine Hat.

Also, I don't know if you can point to a top ten and say categorically college &gt; juniors. When looking at them like macro level, all of college vs all of the OHL, it's weighted in favor of the OHL if only because of volume of players between three full leagues. College only has, what, 25 programs with pro-quality players. Also, four of the top ten players last year were all from one single college program, which if anything undermines your argument. Sure, UMich had a better draft than most OHL teams, but I don't think you can argue that college as a whole did.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>I wasn't making that argument, the Razmanian Mor-, er, Devil was -- go back and read the comment before mine. But he's all over the place. Logic isn't his forte.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>These numbers are off. CHL makes up about 1/3 of draft. And in recent years, top-10 players via USHL/NCAA or European routes have had more success than CHLers, which have experienced a lull recently. Especially with top-10 forwards.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>No fair citing actual facts to refute wildly illogical flights of . . . whatever.</div></div>

Look, at the end of the day I could care less about the numbers. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. So what, I don't care. I'm not going to sit here and cry, or try to argue. It's whatever.


<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>squashmaple</b></div><div>
Also, I don't know if you can point to a top ten and say categorically college &gt; juniors. When looking at them like macro level, all of college vs all of the OHL, it's weighted in favor of the OHL if only because of volume of players between three full leagues. College only has, what, 25 programs with pro-quality players. Also, four of the top ten players last year were all from one single college program, which if anything undermines your argument. Sure, UMich had a better draft than most OHL teams, but I don't think you can argue that college as a whole did.</div></div>


At the end of the day, ^THIS POST^, is what I was trying to point out.

The idea that college players are more valuable than those coming out of the CHL, because they're not.
Forum: Armchair-GMjeu. à 16 h 53
Sujet: Barf
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Well, your point is refuted by your own statement: only 3 of the top 10 players selected in the 2021 draft came from the CHL.

My entire point was that kids like Beniers, Johnson, Power and Sillinger, whom you include in the definition of “college players” along with Faber and Hughes, are rated more highly than players who are in or still in Canadian majors. <strong>Your contention to the contrary is idiotic, but providing proof of my assertion is intelligent.</strong> That's my point.</div></div>

I did no such thing. You stated those players weren't considered college players until <strong><em>AFTER</em></strong> they were drafted.

I proved they were.

That's it.

That does not mean I provided proof that college players are more valuable or more highly thought of than those coming out of the CHL. Do not get ahead of yourself or act so conceded just because you think I did, when I absolutely did not.

Because history says otherwise.

A few exceptions, does not mean it's true or that you're right. The bulk of CHL players still comprise the top spots.

College players have trended up the last few years, but they don't carry the draft. The CHL does. That is statistical fact. Until such time as there are more college players in the draft then CHL players. That fact will remain true.

College players are not valued over CHL players, individual talent is. As that talent will always do so. But that doesn't mean that scouts/teams value college players more. Scouting departments still place the greatest amount of time and effort into scouting CHL players than any other prospect pipeline. Because that is where the bulk of overall talent still comes from.
Forum: Armchair-GMjeu. à 16 h 10
Sujet: Kevyn Adams Summer
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BuFfaLOFaN</b></div><div>Pilut is actually rumored to be coming back next year. Idk if that's true but that's why people have been trading hom.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kclar</b></div><div>Cap space is worth something</div></div>

1) Even so, I highly doubt he does.

2) The Wild currently have 7 defenseman under contract for next year, and <em>still</em> have RFA Middleton to re-sign. Pilut isn't wanted or needed. He does nothing for us.

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Sure it does, but we would still need to move out at least another $5M in contracts to keep Fiala.

It's much easier, and smarter, to move out Dumba and one of Kulikov or Jost to get to the required $8M to reasonably keep Fiala.
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