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Forum: Armchair-GMjeu. à 18 h 43
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Sujet: Barf
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>squashmaple</b></div><div>Not to pick nits, but Sillinger was not a college player. He was drafted out of the USHL, where he played because Covid basically canceled the WHL season. Otherwise he would've been in Medicine Hat.

Also, I don't know if you can point to a top ten and say categorically college &gt; juniors. When looking at them like macro level, all of college vs all of the OHL, it's weighted in favor of the OHL if only because of volume of players between three full leagues. College only has, what, 25 programs with pro-quality players. Also, four of the top ten players last year were all from one single college program, which if anything undermines your argument. Sure, UMich had a better draft than most OHL teams, but I don't think you can argue that college as a whole did.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>I wasn't making that argument, the Razmanian Mor-, er, Devil was -- go back and read the comment before mine. But he's all over the place. Logic isn't his forte.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>These numbers are off. CHL makes up about 1/3 of draft. And in recent years, top-10 players via USHL/NCAA or European routes have had more success than CHLers, which have experienced a lull recently. Especially with top-10 forwards.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>No fair citing actual facts to refute wildly illogical flights of . . . whatever.</div></div>

Look, at the end of the day I could care less about the numbers. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. So what, I don't care. I'm not going to sit here and cry, or try to argue. It's whatever.


<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>squashmaple</b></div><div>
Also, I don't know if you can point to a top ten and say categorically college &gt; juniors. When looking at them like macro level, all of college vs all of the OHL, it's weighted in favor of the OHL if only because of volume of players between three full leagues. College only has, what, 25 programs with pro-quality players. Also, four of the top ten players last year were all from one single college program, which if anything undermines your argument. Sure, UMich had a better draft than most OHL teams, but I don't think you can argue that college as a whole did.</div></div>


At the end of the day, ^THIS POST^, is what I was trying to point out.

The idea that college players are more valuable than those coming out of the CHL, because they're not.
Forum: Armchair-GMjeu. à 16 h 53
Sujet: Barf
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Well, your point is refuted by your own statement: only 3 of the top 10 players selected in the 2021 draft came from the CHL.

My entire point was that kids like Beniers, Johnson, Power and Sillinger, whom you include in the definition of “college players” along with Faber and Hughes, are rated more highly than players who are in or still in Canadian majors. <strong>Your contention to the contrary is idiotic, but providing proof of my assertion is intelligent.</strong> That's my point.</div></div>

I did no such thing. You stated those players weren't considered college players until <strong><em>AFTER</em></strong> they were drafted.

I proved they were.

That's it.

That does not mean I provided proof that college players are more valuable or more highly thought of than those coming out of the CHL. Do not get ahead of yourself or act so conceded just because you think I did, when I absolutely did not.

Because history says otherwise.

A few exceptions, does not mean it's true or that you're right. The bulk of CHL players still comprise the top spots.

College players have trended up the last few years, but they don't carry the draft. The CHL does. That is statistical fact. Until such time as there are more college players in the draft then CHL players. That fact will remain true.

College players are not valued over CHL players, individual talent is. As that talent will always do so. But that doesn't mean that scouts/teams value college players more. Scouting departments still place the greatest amount of time and effort into scouting CHL players than any other prospect pipeline. Because that is where the bulk of overall talent still comes from.
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