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Forum:
Armchair-GM
il y a 11 minutes
Sujet:
Marino
Remove the Minnesota 2nd and swap Brännström for something else. Wild don't need or want another LHD prospect when we're overflowing with them.
Besides, Sens fans think 7th OVA and a prospect like Jarventie/Sokolov or JBD is fair for Fiala without the Wild adding anything.
And I can't see the Sens moving Joseph as part of that package. One of the other prospects I named above would likely be delt instead.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
il y a 18 minutes
Sujet:
Golden Gophers 4649
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ged1821</b></div><div>Hawks don’t need or want Kulikov. As a salary dump Guerin would have to include a high pick for Chicago to consider this. Otherwise don’t bother.</div></div>
Kulikov isn't a bad player though. Or on a bad contract. Wild aren't adding to move him.
Plenty of teams could use a solid two-way defenseman who can play in their bottom 4.
Just because a player is being moved for cap space, doesn't mean they add to do so. To think a solid player on a decent contract would require additional assets to move is asinine.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
il y a 3 heures
Sujet:
Golden Gophers 4649
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>I think all those trades are quite doable. Jost would be a good fit in DET, OTT would be an excellent place for FIala and moving Kulikov clears cap
My one compalint is you have to have Boldy in your top 6, and he and Rossi should be playing together starting next year, That's the future of this team</div></div>
Yeah, I'm not exactly sure why he wants to break up the best shutdown line in hockey and put Rossi in between Greenway and Foligno when the GREEF line is perfect as is.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
il y a 4 heures
Sujet:
Ideal Islanders
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Warrior24</b></div><div>Let's say Fiala gets $7.5M, the value of that on an offer sheet is a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.
The Isles 1st, plus Wahlstrom or Raty is an overpay as that is the equivalent of 2 1sts.
Beau + 1st, 2nd, 3rd is an overpayment as the Isles can offer sheet him for less.
Fiala will most likely return a 1st, 2nd/ or similar value prospect, 3rd or similar value prospect.</div></div>
Both teams beat-writers at the Athletic agreed to 13th and one of those two as the basis for a trade in separate articles within the last two weeks.
25 year old PPG 80+ wingers don't come cheap, and are rarely if ever hitting the market.
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Armchair-GM
il y a 5 heures
Sujet:
Ideal Islanders
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Warrior24</b></div><div>Over pay for Fiala, and the LD is not good enough.</div></div>
On paper.
But there is nothing here aside from Beauvillier that is particularly enticing for Minnesota.
The ask would be for the 13th OVA and one of Wahlstrom or Raty, most likely.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
il y a 6 heures
Sujet:
1 Year Fix
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gmonwy</b></div><div>How does Minnesota afford that?</div></div>
We can't.
Not only does this do nothing for us. We're giving up the younger better player at this point.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
il y a 6 heures
Sujet:
EF said a lot of movement in WPG
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>"Grain" of salt?
Howbout the entire mine?</div></div>
I mean, he's exactly the type of player Toronto wants and has been looking for.
Can they afford him? Not so much.
Not with the current roster as constructed, anyway. I could see it happening if they try to re-tool. A Nylander or Marner swap for Bertuzzi makes sense for both teams. I wouldn't necessarily rule it out.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
il y a 6 heures
Sujet:
Necessary cap maneuvers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sedin33</b></div><div>Yes the same way Miller will be an UFA. Dumba would still have value at the TDL</div></div>
Thank you.
That type of comment never makes sense to me. They still have value.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
il y a 7 heures
Sujet:
My crack at fiala
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>You are talking about term. I am talking about AAV.
So if Fiala wanted $5m/year or $9m/year, you think the trade price would be the same?
I mean, c'mon.</div></div>
Depending on how long that contract was going to be for and what teams doing the acquiring?
Yes.
The key in any contract negotiation is how long that player is willing to sign for and for how much. AAV goes down if the contract is longer term. It goes <em>up</em> when it's shorter term.
EVH has Fiala comped at $7-8M on his next contract if it's long-term.
If the team is in win now mode and they want Fiala for only a few years while they go for it and are willing to overpay on a shorter term contract to keep him there. The assets they're moving are going to be futures and do them no good anyway. They're expendable, to put it bluntly. So a higher AAV isn't likely to scare them off, now is it.
That doesn't mean trade value and the overall return diminishes just because he's going to be signed for a higher AAV. Because if the team wants the player badly enough, and is comfortable enough with the contract to be signed by the incoming player the assets delt are basically inconsequential in the acquiring teams mind.
If they're not comfortable, they move on. Bottom line.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
il y a 7 heures
Sujet:
Swiss line
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>
Wild fans keep asking for 2nd overall plus prospect...its insulting to Devils fans, to all NHL fans.</div></div>
Wild fans have done nothing of the sort.
I haven't seen one ACGM where the the ask was 2nd OVA plus prospect for Fiala alone.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
il y a 8 heures
Sujet:
My crack at fiala
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Each said, "If"...I am citing examples.
There is a relationship between contract and trade return.
Higher contract = less trade return
Lower contract = more trade return
I don't know why this is such a controversial concept with Wild fans.</div></div>
It's not, because I have never once seen that to be the case.
What I have seen is if a player agrees to a long-term contract, regardless of the contract amount, the acquiring team will pay out in assets for that player.
What your saying makes no sense.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
il y a 8 heures
Sujet:
My crack at fiala
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>IcemanJoe</b></div><div>How do you know this? This all feels like assumptions not based in fact. If Fiala was going to sign for 6 mil, he’d already have a contract with the Wild. Wild offered 3 years 6 mil per last offseason. He should be in the 7+ mil range. Any team trading for Fiala knows this. And I’m sure after the Stanley cup final we’ll start hearing leaks of what Fiala’s contact demands are. Then all GMs will know.</div></div>
At this point, it feels like he’s trolling.
No matter how many times it's been explained, shown, or linked to an article that disagrees with his POV. He ignores it. Completely.
He's right, everybody else is wrong. And there can be no other possibility than what he thinks will happen.
There's a term for people like that.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
il y a 8 heures
Sujet:
Necessary cap maneuvers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>robrob10</b></div><div>Nobody signed for 2023-24. Wallstedt is further away than that.</div></div>
Not true.
Professional scouts disagree with that assessment. They think he's a lot closer to NHL ready than that. This is the best goalie prospect in the world right now you're talking about.
Wallstedt is going to be playing in the AHL next year. It wouldn't be unreasonable to expect him to be pushing for a roster spot, even if it's as a backup, by 23-24. This is a kid who has been playing against grown men since he was 17 in the SHL, and succeeding.
The <em>only</em> reason he'll be playing for Iowa next year is so he can get accustomed to North American ice and game speed. That's it.
He's much farther along in his development as a goaltender at a younger age than your average goaltending prospect. He's not someone who's going to take until he's 27 to see NHL ice.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HOCKEYBOY448</b></div><div>Really I thought he’d have been over either that year or 24-25.</div></div>
He's signed his ELC and is expected to play for Iowa next season. He's already coming over.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 16 h 26
Sujet:
The Impossible offseason that looms for minnie
Well, this was idiotic.
<em>Let's compound the buyouts by doing it twice</em>...
🤦♂️
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 0 h 12
Sujet:
Dream scenario not realistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought I remembered that's who Dorion is answering to right now.
I'll see if I can find the old article that talked about it.</div></div>
Sorry for the wait. Got sidelined helping out family.
Found it though.
https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2022/05/snapshots-revenue-playoff-structure-senators-ownership.html
It's at the bottom... naturally.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 21 h 50
Sujet:
Dream scenario not realistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Yeah they have a board. Don’t know who’s on it</div></div>
Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought I remembered that's who Dorion is answering to right now.
I'll see if I can find the old article that talked about it.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 21 h 14
Sujet:
Dream scenario not realistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>I don’t even know who Dorions boss is 😂😂😂</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>IcemanJoe</b></div><div>Isn’t it the Melnyk heirs?</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Probably but doubt they know how to judge Dorion or keep him on a leash or hire someone new</div></div>
IIRC, isn't the Senators, and by that extension Dorion, currently under the purview of the Melnyk family's board of directors?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
jeu. à 18 h 43
Sujet:
cups for sid
No.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
jeu. à 18 h 41
Sujet:
Barf
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>I wasn't making that argument, the Razmanian Mor-, er, Devil was -- go back and read the comment before mine. But he's all over the place. Logic isn't his forte.</div></div>
Was that your way of calling me a moron?
Not angry, just asking.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
jeu. à 18 h 39
Sujet:
Barf
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>squashmaple</b></div><div>Oh, crud, I thought I had both quoted in this post. Sorry! I know *you're* reasonable.</div></div>
I'm perfectly reasonable. There is nothing here that would suggest I'm not.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
jeu. à 18 h 38
Sujet:
Barf
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>squashmaple</b></div><div>Not to pick nits, but Sillinger was not a college player. He was drafted out of the USHL, where he played because Covid basically canceled the WHL season. Otherwise he would've been in Medicine Hat.
Also, I don't know if you can point to a top ten and say categorically college > juniors. When looking at them like macro level, all of college vs all of the OHL, it's weighted in favor of the OHL if only because of volume of players between three full leagues. College only has, what, 25 programs with pro-quality players. Also, four of the top ten players last year were all from one single college program, which if anything undermines your argument. Sure, UMich had a better draft than most OHL teams, but I don't think you can argue that college as a whole did.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>I wasn't making that argument, the Razmanian Mor-, er, Devil was -- go back and read the comment before mine. But he's all over the place. Logic isn't his forte.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>These numbers are off. CHL makes up about 1/3 of draft. And in recent years, top-10 players via USHL/NCAA or European routes have had more success than CHLers, which have experienced a lull recently. Especially with top-10 forwards.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>No fair citing actual facts to refute wildly illogical flights of . . . whatever.</div></div>
Look, at the end of the day I could care less about the numbers. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. So what, I don't care. I'm not going to sit here and cry, or try to argue. It's whatever.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>squashmaple</b></div><div>
Also, I don't know if you can point to a top ten and say categorically college > juniors. When looking at them like macro level, all of college vs all of the OHL, it's weighted in favor of the OHL if only because of volume of players between three full leagues. College only has, what, 25 programs with pro-quality players. Also, four of the top ten players last year were all from one single college program, which if anything undermines your argument. Sure, UMich had a better draft than most OHL teams, but I don't think you can argue that college as a whole did.</div></div>
At the end of the day, ^THIS POST^, is what I was trying to point out.
The idea that college players are more valuable than those coming out of the CHL, because they're not.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
jeu. à 16 h 53
Sujet:
Barf
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Well, your point is refuted by your own statement: only 3 of the top 10 players selected in the 2021 draft came from the CHL.
My entire point was that kids like Beniers, Johnson, Power and Sillinger, whom you include in the definition of “college players” along with Faber and Hughes, are rated more highly than players who are in or still in Canadian majors. <strong>Your contention to the contrary is idiotic, but providing proof of my assertion is intelligent.</strong> That's my point.</div></div>
I did no such thing. You stated those players weren't considered college players until <strong><em>AFTER</em></strong> they were drafted.
I proved they were.
That's it.
That does not mean I provided proof that college players are more valuable or more highly thought of than those coming out of the CHL. Do not get ahead of yourself or act so conceded just because you think I did, when I absolutely did not.
Because history says otherwise.
A few exceptions, does not mean it's true or that you're right. The bulk of CHL players still comprise the top spots.
College players have trended up the last few years, but they don't carry the draft. The CHL does. That is statistical fact. Until such time as there are more college players in the draft then CHL players. That fact will remain true.
College players are not valued over CHL players, individual talent is. As that talent will always do so. But that doesn't mean that scouts/teams value college players more. Scouting departments still place the greatest amount of time and effort into scouting CHL players than any other prospect pipeline. Because that is where the bulk of overall talent still comes from.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
jeu. à 16 h 16
Sujet:
What a Forsy contract might look like
How?
It was reported that Poile had on offer on the table. That's it. There are still numerous reports that the two sides aren't close yet.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
jeu. à 16 h 12
Sujet:
Barf
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>No. And my entire point was that the very guys you mentioned -- Beniers, Johnson, Power, Sillinger -- are rated more highly than CHL players, contrary to your support-free contention. Get it now?</div></div>
CHL players make up 60% of the draft. 50% of those selected in the top 10 on average come from the CHL.
Not rocket science. That's my point.
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Armchair-GM
jeu. à 16 h 10
Sujet:
Kevyn Adams Summer
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BuFfaLOFaN</b></div><div>Pilut is actually rumored to be coming back next year. Idk if that's true but that's why people have been trading hom.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kclar</b></div><div>Cap space is worth something</div></div>
1) Even so, I highly doubt he does.
2) The Wild currently have 7 defenseman under contract for next year, and <em>still</em> have RFA Middleton to re-sign. Pilut isn't wanted or needed. He does nothing for us.
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Sure it does, but we would still need to move out at least another $5M in contracts to keep Fiala.
It's much easier, and smarter, to move out Dumba and one of Kulikov or Jost to get to the required $8M to reasonably keep Fiala.
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