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20 janv. 2023 à 12 h 33
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Do you think it might be worth considering not bringing back Kampf next year? Especially at 2 million or more of cap hit?

We know he brings a good defensive game but man forking over 2 million for his production seems like a tough pill to swallow


Absolutely
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Absolutely


So Holmberg potentially 4C.
Who do you like as 3C UFA option and/or trade bait? I like adding Henrique and Sundqvist as my thinking but is Sundqvist similar to Kampf from production stand point???
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20 janv. 2023 à 13 h 18
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So Holmberg potentially 4C.
Who do you like as 3C UFA option and/or trade bait? I like adding Henrique and Sundqvist as my thinking but is Sundqvist similar to Kampf from production stand point???



For sure and in an ideal world we will have traded for that 3C at the deadline, preferably someone with term. Henrique would be really awesome.

Love Sundqvist too but more for the 4th line. A Engvall (6’4) Kampf (6’2) Sundqvist (6’3) 🤤 and he is a cup winner. He should be high on the Leafs trade board.
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20 janv. 2023 à 14 h 18
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Quoting: Trickster
Do you think it might be worth considering not bringing back Kampf next year? Especially at 2 million or more of cap hit?

We know he brings a good defensive game but man forking over 2 million for his production seems like a tough pill to swallow


For the 4th line I got no issues. Leafs dont got anyone to replace him. Like when Keefe needs a Dzone faceoff won or a penalty killed next to Marner hes out there. Yeah 2mill will be annoying in terms of the offense but for good defensive depth u got to pay. Like some will say Holmberg, the guys good but he cant win a faceoff and thats gonna give us PK headaches. In general Leafs have been looking for a guy like Kampf for a while and now they got one. Keep him on a nice cap hit for our shutdown 4th line and were good for the next few years.
20 janv. 2023 à 14 h 32
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For the 4th line I got no issues. Leafs dont got anyone to replace him. Like when Keefe needs a Dzone faceoff won or a penalty killed next to Marner hes out there. Yeah 2mill will be annoying in terms of the offense but for good defensive depth u got to pay. Like some will say Holmberg, the guys good but he cant win a faceoff and thats gonna give us PK headaches. In general Leafs have been looking for a guy like Kampf for a while and now they got one. Keep him on a nice cap hit for our shutdown 4th line and were good for the next few years.


His cap hit needs to remain the same on term for me.
Anything more and your hurting elsewhere and even at 1.5, glup.
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20 janv. 2023 à 14 h 41
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His cap hit needs to remain the same on term for me.
Anything more and your hurting elsewhere and even at 1.5, glup.


Well if we look at defensive 3-4Cs in todays NHL all are making more

Sundqvist 2.75m
Lowry 3.25m
Kuraly 2.5mill
Sturm 2mill
Bleuger 2.2mill

So saying Kampf should not make more than 1.5mill doesnt seem correct. When hes extended or signs he will be making around 2-3mill

For me if he wants more money increase the term. My ideal contract for him is what Sturm got but if we wants term give him the Kuraly deal. And I have done the math giving him that does not hurt much as u got some prospects potentially coming up (Steeves, Knies, Abruzzese, etc) and u still got money to extend Timmins, Bunting, etc.
20 janv. 2023 à 15 h 9
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Do I like McCabe? Absolutely. Do I see how he fits in terms of money and on the roster? Nope. Unless they plan on sitting Gio, adding another LD makes zero sense IMO. Need more forward depth
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20 janv. 2023 à 15 h 14
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I love Boudreau so much. Bring him home as some sort of coach please
20 janv. 2023 à 15 h 16
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Well if we look at defensive 3-4Cs in todays NHL all are making more

Sundqvist 2.75m
Lowry 3.25m
Kuraly 2.5mill
Sturm 2mill
Bleuger 2.2mill

So saying Kampf should not make more than 1.5mill doesnt seem correct. When hes extended or signs he will be making around 2-3mill

For me if he wants more money increase the term. My ideal contract for him is what Sturm got but if we wants term give him the Kuraly deal. And I have done the math giving him that does not hurt much as u got some prospects potentially coming up (Steeves, Knies, Abruzzese, etc) and u still got money to extend Timmins, Bunting, etc.



Lowry, Strum, and Roy all play 3C as If you are looking for comparisons, it’s:
Kuraly - 2.5
Cizikas - 2.5
Nosek - 1.75
Bleuger - 2.2


Kuraly on pace for 22 points
Bleuger on pace for 19 points
Nosek on pace for 15 points
Cizikas on pace for 23 points
Kampf on pace for 26 points


You don’t over pay for bottom six players. Kampf at 1.5-1.8, sure. Kampf at anything more than 2.5 (which he will most likely get on the open market) you don’t. Leafs will have some very tough contracts in 2024. Having a 2.5+ player that just wins faceoffs and kills PK is a luxury this team can’t afford.

A team with a ton of cap space, sure.

UFA
F. Gaudreau
Noel Acciari
Nick Bonino
20 janv. 2023 à 15 h 23
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Do I like McCabe? Absolutely. Do I see how he fits in terms of money and on the roster? Nope. Unless they plan on sitting Gio, adding another LD makes zero sense IMO. Need more forward depth


Muzzin played the 5th most mins at all situations and Lyubushkin had the 13th against TBL. Both heavy in your face players. I would be very very surprised if they don’t add a Gudas, Mayfield, Braun, and I guess a McCabe type player.
20 janv. 2023 à 15 h 48
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Do I like McCabe? Absolutely. Do I see how he fits in terms of money and on the roster? Nope. Unless they plan on sitting Gio, adding another LD makes zero sense IMO. Need more forward depth


I dont feel Leafs need another D yet. I want to see Brodie play before I make that descision. As playing through a broken rib is painful and if it affects his game then u go get a RD who can fill in
20 janv. 2023 à 15 h 50
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Muzzin played the 5th most mins at all situations and Lyubushkin had the 13th against TBL. Both heavy in your face players. I would be very very surprised if they don’t add a Gudas, Mayfield, Braun, and I guess a McCabe type player.


U could probs get Braun for a 5th or 6th even with Philly retaining 50% (would cost 500k against the cap) as hes been alright but not as good as last year. Heck was HS a few times

I would do it for some D depth as injuries do happen in the postseason and heck sometimes Tampa ran 7 D in their games
20 janv. 2023 à 15 h 55
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U could probs get Braun for a 5th or 6th even with Philly retaining 50% as hes been good but not as good as last year. Heck was HS a few times

I would do it for some D depth


Book it, save it, throw it in my face if I’m wrong lol:

Rielly Brodie
Giordano Holl
Sandin Liljgren

One of these guys will not be in the roster game one against TBL.
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20 janv. 2023 à 15 h 59
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Book it, save it, throw it in my face if I’m wrong lol:

Rielly Brodie
Giordano Holl
Sandin Liljgren

One of these guys will not be in the roster game one against TBL.


Yep, as D depth is important and I see nothing wrong. Might need to lower Brodie because of his rib injury (could affect his play) but lets see.
20 janv. 2023 à 16 h 7
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Book it, save it, throw it in my face if I’m wrong lol:

Rielly Brodie
Giordano Holl
Sandin Liljgren

One of these guys will not be in the roster game one against TBL.


Yah, even though a forward is a far more pressing issue, I have a gut feeling Dubas might get a defenseman because “defense wins championships” (when in reality both are important).
20 janv. 2023 à 16 h 13
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Yah, even though a forward is a far more pressing issue, I have a gut feeling Dubas might get a defenseman because “defense wins championships” (when in reality both are important).


I don’t believe it will be just one. We can debate on who is likely making the bigger impact but IMO a D that will play in the top 4, a fwd that will play in the top 4, and a fwd that will play in the bottom six will be added this team.

Not all at once at the TDL, moves are coming.

But again, maybe I’m completely out to fukcin lunch.
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20 janv. 2023 à 16 h 23
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I don’t believe it will be just one. We can debate on who is likely making the bigger impact but IMO a D that will play in the top 4, a fwd that will play in the top 4, and a fwd that will play in the bottom six will be added this team.

Not all at once at the TDL, moves are coming.

But again, maybe I’m completely out to fukcin lunch.


In general Leafs got 2mill. If Say Dubas goes and gets McCabe Holl goes the other way to probs make the money work

And people will go k how do u upgrade forward then all the cap space is gone.

Glad u asked. Well Kerfoot's 3.5mill can come into play. Lets say we go get Meier u package out Kerfoot and get Meier at 50% ret. Costs 3mill. Then if u want to add some depth to the bottom 6 find a way to do money in and out deals or waive Simmonds to get almost another mill added to that 500k gap between Kerfoot and Meier.

So then in the end u got (A top 4 D, Top 6 LW, and room for one more bottom 6 forward or 2 (if u get teams to retain 50% on the 1mill deals). Do I think they need to go down this specific path no but its an option

I would rather go spend on a top 6 LW, 2 good bottom 6 forwards, then if u really need a D buy low on Braun (costs 500k).
20 janv. 2023 à 16 h 27
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Well if we look at defensive 3-4Cs in todays NHL all are making more

Sundqvist 2.75m
Lowry 3.25m
Kuraly 2.5mill
Sturm 2mill
Bleuger 2.2mill

So saying Kampf should not make more than 1.5mill doesnt seem correct. When hes extended or signs he will be making around 2-3mill

For me if he wants more money increase the term. My ideal contract for him is what Sturm got but if we wants term give him the Kuraly deal. And I have done the math giving him that does not hurt much as u got some prospects potentially coming up (Steeves, Knies, Abruzzese, etc) and u still got money to extend Timmins, Bunting, etc.


I'd argue that both Sundqvist and Blueger will take a pay cut for the upcoming season.

Others have term.
20 janv. 2023 à 16 h 30
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Do I like McCabe? Absolutely. Do I see how he fits in terms of money and on the roster? Nope. Unless they plan on sitting Gio, adding another LD makes zero sense IMO. Need more forward depth


I don't see how we have room for a 4 million D man if you want to add top6 LW to this team, mainly eyeing Meier and dreaming though.

Instead if we get a top 6LW at significant lesser salary
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20 janv. 2023 à 17 h 12
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I don’t believe it will be just one. We can debate on who is likely making the bigger impact but IMO a D that will play in the top 4, a fwd that will play in the top 4, and a fwd that will play in the bottom six will be added this team.

Not all at once at the TDL, moves are coming.

But again, maybe I’m completely out to fukcin lunch.


I don't see 3 additions, I'd say 1 forward, 1 dman. But hey, you could be right, no one knows.
20 janv. 2023 à 19 h 6
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https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs-jake-muzzin-not-progressing-towards-return-1.1908725

Loved him in Toronto and he was a good leader. Sucks he got banged up so bad these last few years but I hope he makes the right choice

Either way we know we wont have him for this playoffs so lets see as our D yes is doing well but I just feel when watching something's missing
20 janv. 2023 à 19 h 13
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https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs-jake-muzzin-not-progressing-towards-return-1.1908725

Loved him in Toronto and he was a good leader. Sucks he got banged up so bad these last few years but I hope he makes the right choice

Either way we know we wont have him for this playoffs so lets see as our D yes is doing well but I just feel when watching something's missing


Such a shame things have gone the way they have. I dont think a trade has elicited a bigger response from me since the Muzzin trade. I was stoked to get him.
20 janv. 2023 à 19 h 15
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Such a shame things have gone the way they have. I dont think a trade has elicited a bigger response from me since the Muzzin trade. I was stoked to get him.


Yeah Muzzin was fun. Big heavy hitting guy who could put up points while making good Dzone plays. Heck made Zaitsev look good lul. Then the injuries started some from his playstyle, others from dumb players and their cross checks. I hope like Spezza if he does LTIR there is a job waiting in the front office for 2024.

The one trade that was close was Gio. Despite not being in his prime like Muzzin was still a nice add.

Whatever Dubas decides it just wont feel the same without Muzzin
20 janv. 2023 à 20 h 40
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K I was doing something fun

If what Friedman said about them being stingey about their 1st and Knies is true I built a TDL leafs team that did not require major assets to be moved but still make them better

In the scenario

Kerfoot, Hirvonen, Abruzzese, Simmonds (via Braun trade and do him a solid) and Steeves get traded along with some picks (Highest being a 2nd)

And who comes in

Adam Henrique, Nick Bonino, Justin Braun, Zach Parise and Noel Acciari

And the team after the TDL

Bunting-Matthews-Nylander
Henrique-JT-Marner
Parise-Acciari-Jarnkrok
Bonino-Kampf-Engvall

Rielly-Liligren
Gio-Brodie
Sandin-Holl

Goalie Duo

Extras: Timmins, Braun, ZAR More come via playoffs: Holmberg, Clifford, etc.

PP unit 1 = The same

PP unit 2

Parise-Bunting-Henrique
Sandin-Jarnkrok

And honestly through re-evaluating it, its not bad

As Acciari and Bonino would help with the PK with Acciari adding some toughness, All Parise and the others would improve the scoring depth and Henrique would be an upgrade at LW next to JT and Marner. Braun would be nice playoff insurance.
20 janv. 2023 à 22 h 6
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https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs-jake-muzzin-not-progressing-towards-return-1.1908725

Loved him in Toronto and he was a good leader. Sucks he got banged up so bad these last few years but I hope he makes the right choice

Either way we know we wont have him for this playoffs so lets see as our D yes is doing well but I just feel when watching something's missing


Are you sure this is not just Code for "he's too injured so we can shop at trade deadline time and then we expect a miraculous recovery for late in the 1st round".?
 
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