Are you sure this is not just Code for "he's too injured so we can shop at trade deadline time and then we expect a miraculous recovery for late in the 1st round".?

Not Leafs related, but this is absolutely heartbreaking. Bruce and Canucks fans deserve so much better than what they are subjected to. I'm eternally grateful Dubas dragged us out of the mud and got us a fun team, because things could be so much worse.

K I was doing something fun

If what Friedman said about them being stingey about their 1st and Knies is true I built a TDL leafs team that did not require major assets to be moved but still make them better

In the scenario

Kerfoot, Hirvonen, Abruzzese, Simmonds (via Braun trade and do him a solid) and Steeves get traded along with some picks (Highest being a 2nd)

And who comes in

Adam Henrique, Nick Bonino, Justin Braun, Zach Parise and Noel Acciari

And the team after the TDL

Bunting-Matthews-Nylander
Henrique-JT-Marner
Parise-Acciari-Jarnkrok
Bonino-Kampf-Engvall

Rielly-Liligren
Gio-Brodie
Sandin-Holl

Goalie Duo

Extras: Timmins, Braun, ZAR More come via playoffs: Holmberg, Clifford, etc.

PP unit 1 = The same

PP unit 2

Parise-Bunting-Henrique
Sandin-Jarnkrok

And honestly through re-evaluating it, its not bad

As Acciari and Bonino would help with the PK with Acciari adding some toughness, All Parise and the others would improve the scoring depth and Henrique would be an upgrade at LW next to JT and Marner. Braun would be nice playoff insurance.

Interesting
I would like to know what your trade breakdowns were but I personally do not want to move Hirvonen or Niemela along with Knies.

Do you think Praise will get moved?
I don't see the point of the Braun add because we have about the same or better internally.

Not Leafs related, but this is absolutely heartbreaking. Bruce and Canucks fans deserve so much better than what they are subjected to. I'm eternally grateful Dubas dragged us out of the mud and got us a fun team, because things could be so much worse.

Braun is the type of D Toronto has been missing since Muzzin has been out and with injury likelihood we gonna need all the bodies we can and Braun will be a calming presence on that blue line.

As for Parise if Isles gonna miss Lou should do the smart thing and trade him

K so for the breakdowns

For Henrique (50% ret) - Has 1.5 years remaining

Toronto sends 2024 2nd + Hirvonen + Kerfoot (#6 prospect)

For Parise

Toronto sends Steeves or Abruzzese and a 2023 3rd (Theirs) (#10 or 11 prospect)


For Acciari

Toronto sends 2025 3rd

For Bonino (50% ret)

Toronto sends 2024 4th

and finally

For Braun (50% ret)

Toronto sends a 2023 5th

So in the end Toronto would have spent

1 2nd (2023)
2 3rds (2023 and 2025)
1 4ths (2024)
1 5ths (2023)

Along with Kerfoot, Abruzzese or Steeves, and Hirvonen

Not bad as we still got all our 1sts for the next 3 years. Parise's looks expensive but remember the guys on pace for 25 goals and is making under league min (750k)

I am not interested in moving Hirvonen, thoughts on giving say Moldenhauer instead?

Moldenhauer looks like an extremely promising middle 6 energy guy. Plus, he's committed to one of the best NCAA teams in UofMich, so Id wait to see what he's got before moving on

I am not interested in moving Hirvonen, thoughts on giving say Moldenhauer instead?

In general Hirvonen looks okay and his trade value his is higher rn. Moldenhauer is in a position to where we dont got to rush and sign him. Hes going to College next year and if all goes well will be a good bottom 6 energy player

So I would rather move Hirvonen as even with him gone we still have Minten, Niemela, Robertson and Knies

I made the following trades in a ACGM

Henrique at 50% retention
For
Kerfoot
Voit
Rights to Moldenhauer
2027 2nd rounder

Bjugstad
For
Gaudette
Rights to Litowsky

Braun
For
Abruzzese

So u want to give up Voit whose younger and leading the OHL to keep a 21 year old Hirvonen idk doesnt seem like the right idea. And u know every team rejects as why is Anaheim gonna wait 4 years for a 2nd.....

As for Bjugstand Arizona hangs up and u overpaid for Braun as a 5th is less than Abruzzese value

I am not interested in moving Hirvonen, thoughts on giving say Moldenhauer instead?

I’m probably in this camp as well. I want the Leafs to be able to come away with prospects who are closer to helping us within a year or two.

Hirvonen (playing against men), Abruzzese, Steeves, Tverberg and Robertson.

With the addition of Timmins, I’d move Niemela for the right player.

The guys who are further away: Moldenhauer, Minten, Voit and one of our goalie prospects should be on the table. As well as the 2024 1st.

With the uncertainty of Amirov and Robertson’s injury history and with us moving back last year, keeping the 2023 1st is almost a must.

Just my opinion

The one thing is Voit could be with the Marlies next year so I want to see how he adapts to the AHL as man if he adapts we in for some fun. Seen a few guys like Hirvonen (who play against men) come and just dont do much and yea

I will definitely side with the prospect who is playing against men over a guy dominating junior.

Again, I wouldn’t be trading Voit fit just anyone but you also have to give to get. And Voit is definitely a nice trade chip