So what would you value a far superior player like Bo Horvat who is having a career year and has more goals than Monahan has points?
It's hard to judge because if he keeps up that goal pace, has there ever been a TD move that big? Have to assume a 1st + a top prospect at the minimum.
Canucks cannot afford to keep Kuzmenko and Horvat unless they trade 2 big pieces which is probably what they will try to do unfortunately. That would mean the Canucks keep 2 players while losing 2 players meaning that they will be even worse next year. Doesn't make too much sense. Management has got to realize we need to rebuild
Keep Kuzmenko, Trade Horvat + Garland/Miller like I said
I find it funny how some people were sleeping the Sabres 1 2 Center combo and now Thompson and Cozens both look amazing. Thompson especially is just insane. Hes like a forward version of Tyler Myers if Myers were good.
I thought the Sabres should have waited to see if Thompson could repeat last season. I was wrong. He’s a legitimate 1C
Were you messaging like this last year before the Chiarot or Lehkonen or even Kulak trades? It happens every year, not sure why people doubt their values come TD
I personally Think vancouver will attempt to keep Kuz and Trade Horvat + Garland. Just feels like that teams needs some fresh energ. Kuz is still new enough to where he can be a core peice for them IMO. I also dont just see them full on Fireselling everyone, I think their goal is still be a competive team With Petey + Hughes
Recent history suggests they won't go nuts and trade like 3 core players. They've shown zero interest in rebuilding thus far. I think things are turning in that direction, but we'll see.
Were you messaging like this last year before the Chiarot or Lehkonen or even Kulak trades? It happens every year, not sure why people doubt their values come TD
GM's aren't just gonna forget that Monahan was a cap dump in the summer
GM's aren't just gonna forget that Monahan was a cap dump in the summer
That has nothing to do with anything. He's a 50 PT 2nd line center. Teams couldn't take a risk on that contract for a guy who just had double hip surgery. Montreal took the risk and it paid off.
It's hard to judge because if he keeps up that goal pace, has there ever been a TD move that big? Have to assume a 1st + a top prospect at the minimum.
Copp got a 1st, 2nd, prospect
Giroux got a 1st, 3rd, decent prospect
Foligno got a 1st, 4th
All those players were significantly worse than Horvat in the year they were traded. Horvat for a 1st, 2nd, top prospect is not unreasonable
Unlike you, I dont have the time to search for it anway, but, ive recalled you may have said that
Doesn't really require me to go through your history to remember your outrageous takes. I am not imagining things. I don't think I am not the only one in this thread who agrees that you overvalue Habs players way more than other people
Recent history suggests they won't go nuts and trade like 3 core players. They've shown zero interest in rebuilding thus far. I think things are turning in that direction, but we'll see.
A rebuild is a long process. Doubt they will trade everyone in one year. Kuzmenko and Horvat should easily be the first to go. If Boeser and Garland rebound next year, they should also go. They tried making it work with this core but it didn't happen
Were you messaging like this last year before the Chiarot or Lehkonen or even Kulak trades? It happens every year, not sure why people doubt their values come TD
Tbf Chiariot is a DMan which are typically a Hotter comodity on Trade Deadline Day
Lehky didnt go for a ridiculous price really. Good return for both teams
Tbf Chiariot is a DMan which are typically a Hotter comodity on Trade Deadline Day
Lehky didnt go for a ridiculous price really. Good return for both teams
Kulak wasnt a bad price either
My opinion on Canuck values:
Horvat with retention: 2023 first, second, A prospect
Kuzmenko: 2023 first, maybe a late round pick
Schenn: third round pick, maybe a late second if a team is desparate but it is unlikely
Why are we looking at his history if it's behind him? Of course we have to get to the TD with no issues first, but if he gets there, nobody should be concerned about his history for a single playoff run.
Why are we looking at his history if it's behind him? Of course we have to get to the TD with no issues first, but if he gets there, nobody should be concerned about his history for a single playoff run.
Cuz gms care about what kind of players they're bringing in, and history matters there quite a lot. Especially if they plan to keep the guy long-term.
That being said, I think Monahan stays in MTL. But for the life of me I can't see a scenario where Habs net a first for first taking him in, and another for moving him out. Sounds WAY too fantasy world sh*t for me.
Looking at advanced numbers both were great players, but Lehky was a career middle 6 defensive forward. Got a former 1st + 2nd.
Kulak was a career 3rd pairing defender that got a 2nd.
Monahan is a former PPG forward, a very good faceoff taker who will easily get a 1st +
"Former" A team wont pay for him because hes a "Former" PPG player especially with his injury history. Im a fan of Monahan and think he might be able to net a first but thats max with the way the TDL market is.
Looking at advanced numbers both were great players, but Lehky was a career middle 6 defensive forward. Got a former 1st + 2nd.
Kulak was a career 3rd pairing defender that got a 2nd.
Monahan is a former PPG forward, a very good faceoff taker who will easily get a 1st +
The fact that you say "former PPG" just goes to show that even you know that he is nothing like what he used to be. Just because he was good like 4 years ago doesn't mean he is that same player now.