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Whats Ghost worth at 2 25M

Créé par: TheeDjeeEem
Équipe: 2022-23 Coyotes de l'Arizona
Date de création initiale: 28 oct. 2022
Publié: 28 oct. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Gostisbehere didn't fit his round peg into Philly's square hole but has proven to be a great puck moving LD in Zona when allowed to play to his strengths. What's he worth @ 2.25M to a contender?
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CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Gostisbehere, Sh
12 250 000 $
Gostisbehere, Sh
12 250 000 $
Transactions
1.
ARI
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. Muzzin, Jake
  3. Niemelä, Topi
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
Which pieces make it worth?
TOR
  1. Gostisbehere, Shayne (2 250 000 $ retained)
2.
ARI
  1. Guzda, Mack
  2. Heponiemi, Aleksi
  3. Nause, Evan
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
  5. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
Détails additionnels:
3 B level prospects worth it?
FLA
  1. Gostisbehere, Sh
3.
ARI
  1. Turcotte, Alex
  2. Walker, Sean
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (LAK)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
Détails additionnels:
Which pieces would make sense?
LAK
  1. Gostisbehere, Sh
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
3082 500 000 $77 418 793 $0 $3 282 500 $5 081 207 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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4 300 000 $4 300 000 $
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UFA - 5
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5 850 000 $5 850 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 4
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7 150 000 $7 150 000 $
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UFA - 6
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
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UFA - 1
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1 775 000 $1 775 000 $
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3 200 000 $3 200 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
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853 333 $853 333 $
AG
RFA - 1
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1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
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UFA - 2
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1 125 875 $1 125 875 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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775 000 $775 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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450 000 $450 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, AG
RFA - 3
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883 750 $883 750 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C, AG
RFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance1 550 000 $$2M)
C
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Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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1 275 000 $1 275 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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2 725 000 $2 725 000 $
G
UFA - 3
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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733 333 $733 333 $
G
UFA - 1
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1 550 000 $1 550 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
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950 000 $950 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
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897 500 $897 500 $
G
RFA - 2
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886 667 $886 667 $ (Bonis de performance32 500 $$32K)
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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850 000 $850 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DD
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UFA - 1
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856 667 $856 667 $
DD
RFA - 3
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5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
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886 667 $886 667 $
DG
RFA - 4
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2 650 000 $2 650 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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5 291 667 $5 291 667 $
C, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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4 600 000 $4 600 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 3

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28 oct. 2022 à 7 h 47
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None of that.
28 oct. 2022 à 7 h 50
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28 oct. 2022 à 7 h 56
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Ghost at 2.25 has some value but given that he doesn;t play defense, I dont think he gets anything close to those returns. If Reilly from TOR or Doughty from LA get injured near TDl and those teams need a puck rushing/pp dman, maybe a 1st and a bit more?
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28 oct. 2022 à 8 h 12
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Ghost at 2.25 has some value but given that he doesn;t play defense, I dont think he gets anything close to those returns. If Reilly from TOR or Doughty from LA get injured near TDl and those teams need a puck rushing/pp dman, maybe a 1st and a bit more?


By what metric[s] does he not play D because his relCF% every year on otherwise bad teams says otherwise?
28 oct. 2022 à 8 h 13
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None of that.


Then those teams will prolly enjoy their first round exits to teams that can possess and move the puck for 60
28 oct. 2022 à 9 h 3
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Then those teams will prolly enjoy their first round exits to teams that can possess and move the puck for 60


Gostisbehere is not a difference maker on a playoff team. i would rather go after Klingberg over him.
28 oct. 2022 à 9 h 11
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All 3 teams easily pass, no way does Gostisbehere have that kind of value.
28 oct. 2022 à 9 h 48
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2nd and a 3rd. Very flawed player at 5 on 5
28 oct. 2022 à 9 h 49
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Quoting: TheeDjeeEem
By what metric[s] does he not play D because his relCF% every year on otherwise bad teams says otherwise?


Take a closer look at his 5v5 stats.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/g/gostish01.html

About halfway down the page. Corsi per 60 is -23.1 Fenwick (similar stat) -18.2. He's a good PP quarterback, but his possession quality is pretty bad 5v5 expected goals for vs 5v5 expected goals against was a -20.4 last year. People can say...ah but's it's AZ. That's a double edge sword too. Hard to brag about relative corsi when your "relative" is the other Yotes. These are just the stats too. The eye test is also bad.
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28 oct. 2022 à 9 h 59
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Way overvalued here. Think Chiarot type deal and that’s if he continues to put up the offensive numbers.
28 oct. 2022 à 10 h 2
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Take a closer look at his 5v5 stats.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/g/gostish01.html

About halfway down the page. Corsi per 60 is -23.1 Fenwick (similar stat) -18.2. He's a good PP quarterback, but his possession quality is pretty bad 5v5 expected goals for vs 5v5 expected goals against was a -20.4 last year. People can say...ah but's it's AZ. That's a double edge sword too. Hard to brag about relative corsi when your "relative" is the other Yotes. These are just the stats too. The eye test is also bad.


-23.1 CF/60 this year with a tiny sample size and on ASU... on Philly it's actually positive and on ASU he's started more in DZ than OZ.

expected shooing F/A % doesn't mean as much for Dmen as Corsi/Fenwick [he blocks shots] because they typically start/drive the possession, forwards "finish."

I think ASU should resign him if they can't receive a 1st for him at 2.25M... a 4x4 for his skill set is fair.
28 oct. 2022 à 10 h 7
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Quoting: TheeDjeeEem
-23.1 CF/60 this year with a tiny sample size and on ASU... on Philly it's actually positive and on ASU he's started more in DZ than OZ.

expected shooing F/A % doesn't mean as much for Dmen as Corsi/Fenwick [he blocks shots] because they typically start/drive the possession, forwards "finish."

I think ASU should resign him if they can't receive a 1st for him at 2.25M... a 4x4 for his skill set is fair.


Puck Moving QBs certainly have their place in the NHL, but the Barrie's / Ghosts / Shats of the world are falling by the wayside because they're not 2-way players. If you know Ghost isn't a 2-way playing going into it...that's fine. Keep his minutes down in 5v5 situations and play him for the full 2min PP...it can work. I wouldn't give more than $3M a year though. AZ does indeed need NHLers. I'd be in full support of them extending him. I just don't think there's a snowballs chance in Heck that AZ gets a 1st rounder for him. PHI sent picks to AZ just to take on his cap hit. That's how bad defensively he is. Cap Dump territory.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/489575
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28 oct. 2022 à 10 h 59
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Certainly no team is going up that much in the trades proposed.
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28 oct. 2022 à 11 h 37
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Walker and the better of our two thirds feels about right to me. He's a rental with a significant cap hit turning 30 at the end of the season, so it's unlikely that we'll be interested in re-signing him.
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I'd say at least a 1st at the deadline the extra depending on how desperate teams are at the deadline
 
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