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Équipe: 2021-22 Wild du Minnesota
Date de création initiale: 4 avr. 2022
Publié: 4 avr. 2022
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In this Arm Chair I want other teams fans to tell me what assets the Wild would have to trade to obtain the players I select. I think the Wild may have to trade both Fiala and Dumba but one of them needs to go. With that in mind, fans may not want those assets and select other pieces. Let us forget the movement clauses so we can see what kind of return Minnesota has to give up to get the asset I select.
Just for argument sakes, lets assume Fiala and Dumba sign a fair extension. Meaning more than 5 years and at an average most people think it would take to sign. Example, Fiala signs a 7 year 7 million dollar deal. I'm hoping fans don't respond with "he's not available." Each player is available but might take an over payment.
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                4 avr. 2022 à 23 h 23
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                With Luke its not really how good he is as a raw prospect (which is very), its...well his last name.

                He's the 2nd most untouchable player on the team behind Jack.

                So it takes just about everything. Rossi, Wallstedt, Fiala/Boldy. I know that's too much, but we aren't about to piss off Jack.
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                4 avr. 2022 à 23 h 26
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                MTL, NY and NJ hang up and block future calls.

                Toronto accept both trades. LA probably accept too.

                Not sure Arizona would want Fiala.
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                4 avr. 2022 à 23 h 26
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                Luke Hughes is just completely untouchable. That term is used a lot, but there are few things in the league that could be a return for him that wouldn't piss off Jack and the entire fan base.
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                4 avr. 2022 à 23 h 26
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                Faber is untouchable to most kings fans right now and the Kings are extremely high on him.

                I am afraid however when he becomes a UFA he’ll book it to MIN given the chance. But that’s a long time from now.
                4 avr. 2022 à 23 h 28
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                Quoting: LIRIK
                MTL, NY and NJ hang up and block future calls.

                Toronto accept both trades. LA probably accept too.

                Not sure Arizona would want Fiala.


                Its a Fiala replacement if they trade him
                4 avr. 2022 à 23 h 30
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                Quoting: LIRIK
                MTL, NY and NJ hang up and block future calls.

                Toronto accept both trades. LA probably accept too.

                Not sure Arizona would want Fiala.


                I believe this person is referring to if Dumba and Fiala go what would it take to get these guys to replace them

                But if thats not the case then nah Toronto dont need either guy. Niemela is a nice 2-way defender in the making. Dumba at times makes questionable plays in his own end often making Brodin need to bail him. Also 925k over 1 year at 6mill any day

                Knies I would prefer over Fiala. Knies is gonna be scary when he enters. Leafs lost Hyman and while Bunting has been good hes just filling in till Knies is ready and then that Matthews line will really step up its game. Also 925k vs 8mill yeah taking the 925k
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                4 avr. 2022 à 23 h 31
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                Boldy, Rossi, Lambos, Addison, Beckman, and a 6th

                (In other words, were not trading Hughes).

                Good list of prospects though
                4 avr. 2022 à 23 h 35
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                I don't see any of these teams accepting, Perhaps Toronto and i'm not even sure they do.
                4 avr. 2022 à 23 h 42
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                Rangers, Leafs just can't on more cap, the same reason the Wild need to trade either Dumba or Fiala.

                And really it's difficult to tell Dumba at the end of the playoffs. "Hurry up and sign a contract with (another team) cause we don't want you any more. But if you don't sign a contract, you're welcome to stay in the Wild family for a year."
                There are few teams that can take RFA Fiala new contract , and give no cap back to the Wild..
                4 avr. 2022 à 23 h 42
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                Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
                I don't see any of these teams accepting, Perhaps Toronto and i'm not even sure they do.


                Accepting what? OP is asking what it would cost to acquire them, they’re not actually proposing anything for trade value.

                The Dumba and Fiala comments aren’t related to the prompt here, that’s just for context on why MN would be targeting the prospects to begin with.

                Edit - phrasing
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                4 avr. 2022 à 23 h 45
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                Quoting: palhal
                Rangers, Leafs just can't on more cap, the same reason the Wild need to trade either Dumba or Fiala.

                And really it's difficult to tell Dumba at the end of the playoffs. "Hurry up and sign a contract with (another team) cause we don't want you any more. But if you don't sign a contract, you're welcome to stay in the Wild family for a year."
                There are few teams that can take RFA Fiala new contract , and give no cap back to the Wild..


                It’s not my favorite type of ACGM, but you’re entirely missing the point of what they’re asking. They’re simply asking what it would require to acquire these prospects, not that Fiala or Dumba are the centerpieces.

                So, for example, Toronto could say “the cost of Knies is Rossi Lambos and Wallstedt. Don’t like it? Then no deal. Not interested in moving Knies for anything other than an overpay.”
                4 avr. 2022 à 23 h 46
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                You talking about the 18 YO, Hobey Baker finalist, point per game in NCAA as a dman, brother of Devils superstar center?
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                4 avr. 2022 à 23 h 53
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                Arizona would want the house. DG looks phenomenal in Edmonton right now. I’m sure they’d be asking for Rossi, wallstedt, lambos, and a pick. Most of these guys are the top prospect on their teams, the acquisition cost would be ludicrously high
                4 avr. 2022 à 23 h 57
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                Nothing works for Montréal to trade a 1st overall pick to Minnesota. They don’t want to downgrade on quality, and since Kaprizov obviously doesn’t work, there isn’t any piece the Wild have you could justify moving it for.

                I mean maybe if the habs really, really, really liked Marco Rossi, but even then the optics are terrible and there’s too many question marks.
                5 avr. 2022 à 9 h 49
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                For 1st overall, youre looking at 2 of Wallstedt, Rossi or Boldy

                Wallstedt, Rossi, 2023 1st (top 10 protected) for 2022 1st (MTL), Drouin (50% retained) and Primeau
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                5 avr. 2022 à 16 h 45
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                I believe this person is referring to if Dumba and Fiala go what would it take to get these guys to replace them

                But if thats not the case then nah Toronto dont need either guy. Niemela is a nice 2-way defender in the making. Dumba at times makes questionable plays in his own end often making Brodin need to bail him. Also 925k over 1 year at 6mill any day

                Knies I would prefer over Fiala. Knies is gonna be scary when he enters. Leafs lost Hyman and while Bunting has been good hes just filling in till Knies is ready and then that Matthews line will really step up its game. Also 925k vs 8mill yeah taking the 925k


                Yes, I was referring to that. There may be a point we can afford Fiala or we have to trade Dumba to afford Fiala. In that case, what would teams want from our roster to get the players I've attached. For example, some NJD fans are all about the Hughes coming together and playing for them. While most other fans couldn't care less. Sometimes the passionate fans shadow the majority of the fans. So in this example, we can use Dumba/Fiala and other assets to trade for the ones I've listed above.
                5 avr. 2022 à 16 h 51
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                Quoting: JeffGorton
                For 1st overall, youre looking at 2 of Wallstedt, Rossi or Boldy

                Wallstedt, Rossi, 2023 1st (top 10 protected) for 2022 1st (MTL), Drouin (50% retained) and Primeau


                Thank you for actually giving a context on what you would look for. I may think things are an overpayment but many posters are obsessed with their prospects. Just for context, the Wild are ranked 3rd in organizational depth. The thought of giving up that for Wright would mean he has to hit or you set your organization back a ton! Imagine if he got off to a Lafreniere start to his career and Wallstedt, Rossi hit on their ceiling. Changes the landscape of your team quite a bit
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                5 avr. 2022 à 17 h 5
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                Arizona would want the house. DG looks phenomenal in Edmonton right now. I’m sure they’d be asking for Rossi, wallstedt, lambos, and a pick. Most of these guys are the top prospect on their teams, the acquisition cost would be ludicrously high


                Are you talking about all 4 pieces for DG, or a combination of these 4? Rossi and a first for example?
                5 avr. 2022 à 17 h 9
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                Quoting: MellowK
                Luke Hughes is just completely untouchable. That term is used a lot, but there are few things in the league that could be a return for him that wouldn't piss off Jack and the entire fan base.


                I can respect that. You make a lot of sense. I bet it would take an over payment which is fine. I hate having teams that don't go out and trade for big time prospects. I would love to replace Dumba with Luke Hughes. If that means we gotta trade assets to do so then fine but at least we can be rebuilding/retooling during the cap hell years. You guys are close to competing every year, just gotta keep Hughes and Nico together and surround them with talent and goal tending.
                5 avr. 2022 à 17 h 20
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                Quoting: iAce
                I can respect that. You make a lot of sense. I bet it would take an over payment which is fine. I hate having teams that don't go out and trade for big time prospects. I would love to replace Dumba with Luke Hughes. If that means we gotta trade assets to do so then fine but at least we can be rebuilding/retooling during the cap hell years. You guys are close to competing every year, just gotta keep Hughes and Nico together and surround them with talent and goal tending.


                If we ignore Luke's last name, it's still not a trade that makes sense. Dumba only has another year on his contract, so they would be trading a prospect for essentially the option of choosing either Dumba or Severson to re-sign, and Fitz would likely pick Severson anyway.

                Fiala SHOULD be a guy that the Devils are interested in though. We need another true top 6 winger badly.
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                5 avr. 2022 à 17 h 29
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                Quoting: MellowK
                If we ignore Luke's last name, it's still not a trade that makes sense. Dumba only has another year on his contract, so they would be trading a prospect for essentially the option of choosing either Dumba or Severson to re-sign, and Fitz would likely pick Severson anyway.

                Fiala SHOULD be a guy that the Devils are interested in though. We need another true top 6 winger badly.


                The trade doesn't have to involve Dumba or Fiala. If the Wild called wanting to trade for Luke Hughes, what would the return be. It could be any assets on the Wild or in our system. I'm trying to look at what costs would fans expect to see to help their teams win a cup. It's not necessarily who gets the best young assets in return. I think Fiala with Jack Hughes would be insane. Like one of the most dynamic in the league. The Wild don't have a center that can provide him with that help and with Boldy, his production has gone up. I think Nico is similar to Ek from the Wild so would Greenway or Foligno help his line compete for a cup?
                5 avr. 2022 à 17 h 46
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                Quoting: iAce
                The trade doesn't have to involve Dumba or Fiala. If the Wild called wanting to trade for Luke Hughes, what would the return be. It could be any assets on the Wild or in our system. I'm trying to look at what costs would fans expect to see to help their teams win a cup. It's not necessarily who gets the best young assets in return. I think Fiala with Jack Hughes would be insane. Like one of the most dynamic in the league. The Wild don't have a center that can provide him with that help and with Boldy, his production has gone up. I think Nico is similar to Ek from the Wild so would Greenway or Foligno help his line compete for a cup?




                Devils are likely be moving out some middle 6 wingers this offseason rather than getting more. Guys like Tatar, Johnsson, Zacha and Kuokkanen feel more like a clog in the pipeline than anything. Utica has had an unreal season with a lot of well performing wingers leading the way, it just feels like these guys are just stopping us from getting a proper look at them.

                They will definitely be looking to add a goaltender and a true top 6 winger this offseason. Unless they want to make a big move on the back-end and go after a guy like Chychrun this offseason, I assume our defense will look pretty similar to what we had this year, just minus Subban, replaced by either a prospect or a cheap depth guy.
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                5 avr. 2022 à 18 h 39
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                Quoting: iAce
                Thank you for actually giving a context on what you would look for. I may think things are an overpayment but many posters are obsessed with their prospects. Just for context, the Wild are ranked 3rd in organizational depth. The thought of giving up that for Wright would mean he has to hit or you set your organization back a ton! Imagine if he got off to a Lafreniere start to his career and Wallstedt, Rossi hit on their ceiling. Changes the landscape of your team quite a bit


                I have the mindset that everyone has a price. It may be way over their market value but they can still be acquired. Now my proposal is def an overpayment on the Wild side but Shane Wright is that good and important to the Habs future (and the draft being in Montreal) means that any acquisition would have to benefit the Habs need and more. My thinking here is that Wallstedt is an improvement on Primeau but that Rossi is a downgrade (small downgrade skill wise but huge value) on Wright. Drouin for a 1st would never happen but the Wild would have to 'lose' the trade value wise
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                5 avr. 2022 à 20 h 7
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                Quoting: JeffGorton
                I have the mindset that everyone has a price. It may be way over their market value but they can still be acquired. Now my proposal is def an overpayment on the Wild side but Shane Wright is that good and important to the Habs future (and the draft being in Montreal) means that any acquisition would have to benefit the Habs need and more. My thinking here is that Wallstedt is an improvement on Primeau but that Rossi is a downgrade (small downgrade skill wise but huge value) on Wright. Drouin for a 1st would never happen but the Wild would have to 'lose' the trade value wise


                I agree, the draft is in Montreal and you guys might have the first overall pick. It would take a blockbuster trade to give up Shane Wright. He has had a down year and many think the gap is closer on him sliding to number 2. I don't think that will happen but he has had a down year which may cause some doubt. I wonder what fans thoughts are on them contending for a cup. It was only a year ago they were in the finals. New coach seems to have had a huge impact on how they play and maybe a bit of a retool may bring them 2-3 years of continued runs? Do you think Nick Suzuki is a 1c? He seems to have great numbers on a team that has really struggled this season. I do think Shane Wright's game would benefit from Kaprizov's as he like to generate the plays and set up his line mates. Look at what Hartman has done this season compared to any other season. I think that would be huge for Wright. I believe Wallstedt could be a top 3 goalie in the league in 3-5 years. Rossi is very difficult to project. He has dominated the AHL in his first full year back and if he turns out like Boldy has, it would be for us. It will be interesting to see what Billy G does this off season. I hope we find a way to keep Fiala but if we can get a haul for him we may have to go that route.
                5 avr. 2022 à 22 h 56
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                Quoting: JeffGorton
                For 1st overall, youre looking at 2 of Wallstedt, Rossi or Boldy

                Wallstedt, Rossi, 2023 1st (top 10 protected) for 2022 1st (MTL), Drouin (50% retained) and Primeau


                LMAO, NO WAY, it would take Rossi + Boldly + 2023 1st (unprotected) just to get the 1st OVA! Wright is an NHL ready top 6 center, exactly what the Canadiens need, we aren't just trading that for pennies on the dollar. It is going to really really hurt if you want to trade for 1st OVA, especially with the draft in Montreal!
                 
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