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Forum: Armchair-GMmer. à 23 h 11
Sujet: Sensonfires lines and special teams to the rescue
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>1) Start Talbot.... we need to switch it up in net at this point.

2) Keep the GREEF line together. Splitting up that line does nothing but make us worse. We need to get them away from the ROR line, first and foremost.

3) Keep Merrill in and swap out Goligoski for Addison and play them together. NO BENN!

4) Swap out Duhaime for Dewar or Bjugstad, but keep Desluariers in the lineup. I get it he's been invisible and hasn't done anything, but his mear presence keeps St. Louis in line and keeps them in check from doing anything too underhanded. On that front, he's been doing his job spectacularly.

Aside from that, there isn't anything else we can do beyond our depth scoring coming alive to turn this around.</div></div>

I think our defense has been pretty poor. I can't think of anyone besides Brodin that has played well each game. Middleton and Spurgeon have looked pretty bad last game. Bottom pair hasn't been impactful in any way either. Dumba got burned in game 4. Just lots of misplays throughout the series.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 mai à 19 h 52
Sujet: Trying to be realistic on Fiala
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Holtz is a top-10 or top-15 prospect in his own right, about where Fiala was in 2016. I don’t think we would move Holtz for Fiala.

Zacha, prospect, 2nd</div></div>

I think this is where it breaks down for both sides. Wild don't need or want Zacha. I look at his analytics and see a guy that hasn't performed with 2 centers that are better than what Fiala has had in his time in Minnesota. The prospect won't be ready over the next few years when we need them and a second doesn't do much. This is all quantity over quality and I think at the end of the day, if we are getting these proposals we make other moves and keep him. I understand people low balling us but that proposal doesn't do anything to make us better.
Forum: Armchair-GM9 mai à 18 h 2
Sujet: Trying to be realistic on Fiala
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Devil</b></div><div>Guys like Mercer, L Hughes, and Holtz won't be on the table for Fiala trade (along with J Hughes, Hischier, Hamilton, Bratt). The 5th pick is more likely to be offered. Fitzgerald said he's willing to trade the 5th pick, not any of those young guys. I could why people think Holtz could be on the table but it seems like a weird move to trade a young winger with a ton of potential for an older winger</div></div>

It would probably be a draft day deal that would get it done. If there isn't a player the Wild like they probably don't make the trade. At five i don't see anyone jumping off the board that would want me to trade Fiala for. I'd move back in the draft and get a higher end prospect for him with a pick. In the end, the Wild will most likely trade Dumba for a few seconds and resign Fiala to a long term deal. Which makes the most sense.
Forum: Armchair-GM9 mai à 17 h 54
Sujet: Trying to be realistic on Fiala
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Even if its 5, 6, 7, I doubt it gets moved.
I wish we had an extra 1st to trade with like last couple of years.</div></div>

I don't think next years first will do anything because you will be so competitive so it comes back to prospect you're willing to give up to get Fiala. Is it Holtz and a small add? I do think there are other fits for Fiala but NJD seems like the best fit for him to compete right away and with a center he deserves. I would rule out Ottawa as i don't like their prospects as much and the consensus is they don't want to give up their first this year. Next year is Bedard so there will be so many protected picks thrown out. This trade seems to be the best I've seen that makes sense. Getting Brock home with his dad is a good human trade.

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3233844
Forum: Armchair-GM9 mai à 17 h 46
Sujet: Fiala is great but not worth 1st-6th overall read description
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wildnochance</b></div><div>Minnesota is stacked with 8 top d prospects. They are stacked at Winger for the foreseeable future even with fiala trade..so at best Minnesota accept 1 Winger prospect back. No disrespect, but just because a prospect was chosen in 1st round doesn't make him one later on. A fiala trade will require 1st round pick of some kind back</div></div>

This answer hits it on the head. Our prospect pool is stacked and ranked 3rd in the league. Hard to look at that prospect list and think we don't have a fit already in place. If you don't want to move Mercer, Hughes or Holtz it's going to cost your first unprotected as there isn't anything else really enticing for us atm. I hope that doesn't sound harsh or disrespectful as I do not intend that to be the case. I think it's best if Fiala stays as we won't get the value we want from him and he's extremely valuable to what we do here.
Forum: Armchair-GM9 mai à 16 h 32
Sujet: Trying to be realistic on Fiala
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>Mercer has shown that he can play in the NHL. Same as Boldy or Caufield. Holtz has yet to crack the NHL roster on a respectfully close to playoff contention but still one of the worst teams in the league. Mercer is therefore a certifiable proven NHL player who carries more value and is no longer considered a prospect. Regardless of Holtz's upside. Especially for a teaming looking to make the playoffs next year.

New Jersey by trading for Fiala are making a Win-now move, so by moving a player that <em>might</em> become as good as Fiala in 3+ years is more favorable than moving a important piece off their active roster to do it. They are getting the better player now. That is why Holtz is more plausible over Mercer. Holtz is still a prospect.

As for Hughes. Two reasons.

1) They're not going to trade their young 20 year old 1C's younger brother and risk pissing him off.

2) Hughes is their #1 prospect.

Would you trade Rossi for William Nylander? Same thing.</div></div>

The trading of Luke Hughes pissing his brother off makes a lot of sense because we have Zuccarello. But we shouldn't be afraid of asking for a top tier prospect and little to no draft pick. It also depends on what Judd Brackett thinks. I may think Luke Hughes is a stud but Brackett could think the opposite. I would consider a straight up trade of Hughes for Fiala a done deal trade. Holtz I would really like a pick of some sort like a 3rd -7th but if it's not included then we are getting a prospect this team likes and I trust Brackett/BG.

Also, if we were set at center and were close on pushing for a playoff run yes I would trade Rossi. I like him but he's unproven like Holtz and Hughes. Can Rossi be an elite 1c or 2c? Thats what we need. If we were making a play for a true 1c I would consider trading him. Or if I had Hughes and Hischier as my center I could afford to make that trade. There's too many variables to your last piece.
Forum: Armchair-GM9 mai à 15 h 54
Sujet: Trying to be realistic on Fiala
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>FULLSTOP: WE ARE NOT GETTING HUGHES.

If push comes to shove and there's a bidding war <em>maybe</em> we can pry Mercer out of there. But I find it unlikely. Holtz is the most plausible, but he's the piece coming back we for sure aren't getting a top ten pick back ontop of him... more likely NJ's 2nd rounder instead.

If we get the 1st, we're getting a lesser prospect back on top of it.</div></div>

Why would I full stop on Luke Hughes? There's really only 3 pieces from NJD that are even remotely tradeable that would help the Wild. Mercer, Luke Hughes and their first rounder this year unprotected. I don't think they are willing to move Holtz. Holtz has a higher ceiling than Mercer. Jack and Nico are really off the table and should be.
Forum: Armchair-GM9 mai à 15 h 39
Sujet: Trying to be realistic on Fiala
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>To be fair, Boqvist (or any winger) isn't a need for us either. We have a million winger prospects and I think the plan would be to have Rossi slot into Fiala's spot in the top 6 if he's moved.

Don't think we'd move any of the GREEF line. I could maybe see Dewar or Duhaime being moved if they're a deal-breaker for the Devils, but neither will be anything more than 4th line guys that can play on your 3rd line in a pinch.</div></div>

To be fair, Kaprizov and Zucc are set. The GREEF line is set. Bold and Freddy are pretty set because the Wild love Freddy. So we are looking at 1c, 2rw realistically. Rossi might push Hartman down to the 2RW so we might be fine there. But to your point any prospects like Boqvist probably doesn't make our roster unless its the 4th line. Is he capable of being better than any of our 4th liners right now?
Forum: Armchair-GM9 mai à 15 h 35
Sujet: Trying to be realistic on Fiala
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>For the record I don't see us doing Addison and Fiala for your first alone. But something along the lines of Addison and Fiala for your first and a good prospect (not Holtz or Luke Hughes, but someone in that tier below)</div></div>

I appreciate a constructive post here. As a Wild fan, lets touch on a few points. First, we ranked 3rd in prospect pipeline. Meaning a huge amount of B prospects doesn't do anything for us. Second, we are contending. Meaning we are looking for certain things back for players like Dumba/Fiala trades. Lastly, we draft very well thanks to Judd Brackett. Meaning we would want high draft picks. The draft proposals above are way better than most of the fan base. We have the same in the Wild community as well. Most of us are thankful for a guy like Fiala because this org has lacked scoring almost our entire existence.

We have a log jam at forwards so any forwards that are traded need to work on a top 6 line combo. Even with that the Wild have players to fill in that role so it's not really needed at them moment due to Rossi coming up next year and not having a ton of UFA/RFA's. We also have our top 3 defense in place with Brodin, Spurgeon Dumba and potentially Middleton being resigned after the year is over. So a defender would have to be a high end player to add benefit to our roster.

Trades like Foote, late first and a second rounder, does nothing really to intrigue the Wild. Foote won't make this roster unless its the 4th line and a late first has a very low probability of making a pro roster and a second round is the same. So trading Fiala for that proposal really does nothing for us.

Proposals I think the Wild are targeting:

Mercer+3rd for Fiala
Luke Hughes+3rd for Fiala
Boqvist+1st unprotected for Fiala

These trades at least provide a foundation. Boqvist might not crack the roster but if there are injuries we could call him up. A first round pick gets us a prospect that could help us in time. I'd be more interested in no picks and getting back a Dawson Mercer or Luke Hughes because they add a young player that will make this club next year. It also allows us to make changes else where which adds a benefit where we may not need anything else besides that player.

Example: A Mercer trade allows us to pencil him in on the Boldy line with Rossi and thus letting us move Freddy potentially. Or a Luke Hughes trade allows us to move Dumba for a winger we thing can fit into our top 6 role. So getting a pick isn't needed as much because we could move other players for picks most likely.

TLDR: The Boqvist plus the number 5 overall would be the only pick I would entertain because it sets us up with a prospect that we like in our system. I'd rather have a high end talent like Mercer or Hughes for Fiala because of their cap hit but I understand NJD might not want to move these pieces. I do think the Wild could keep Fiala with little to no effort but we would loose the depth needed to contend. I also think this trade will be very difficult as Fiala is probably the top 5 fan favorite of all time for us.
Forum: Armchair-GM9 mai à 9 h 42
Sujet: Fiala
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tintin</b></div><div>Way too much for Fiala, Guerin's fleecing Fitzy here.
Can't see Fiala signing for less than Hischier.
Devils probably don't need Foligno.
Johnsson's so underrated, would rather move Tatar or Zacha before him.
McLeod doesn't belong anywhere other than 4C on any given roster.</div></div>

You mean Fitzy is fleecing Guerin here right? Nothing on that trade entices the Wild to make that trade apart from the 2022 1st. A 22 year old prospect that has hardly cracked a .5 ppg played in the A and LW that Minnesota doesn't need and showed regression this year doesn't get you Fiala and Foligno. The cool part is Minnesota could trade Dumba to Dallas to clear cap and have no issues signing Fiala to a contract he will sign. This will make it so other GM's are going to have to show best offer to even entertain the Wild at trading Fiala. Dumba may go for less but considering Fiala's play this season he's worth a lot more than what Devil fans are showing. Trading quantity over quality won't work here and this trade is quantity.
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