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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 20 heures
Sujet: Rossi Traded
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>The point would be that both GM's were selling from a point of weakness. Gauthier because he was not going to sign with Philly and Rossi with the fact that it seems he's not a Guerin guy and he keep him despite him playing well. The actual exact details are not the same as i said, obviously. Similar only that one sense.

For sure we'll find out if he's gung ho on moving him. Hope he moves past the size thing and keeps him. He's finally turning into the player he was drafted to be.</div></div>

But the relative points of weakness aren't even remotely close to one another, and that's assuming Guerin is even dealing from a point of weakness to begin with. Which, I don't agree that he is. That's fine if you do, but it's hardly indisputable like it was in the case of Briere/Gauthier.

The entire argument is propped up on the opinion that once a GM a makes a player available, he damages his negotiating power to a significant enough degree that you're pointing it out. No issue with you having that stance, but that isn't a fact.

And agree - moving him for size/grit reasons would be quite dumb. Rossi plays hard and tough, I don't get Guerin's obsession with trying to be the nastiest team in the league.
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 16 h 36
Sujet: Rossi Traded
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>Hmm I still disagree with that first sentiment. NHL trading is different than stocks and the housing market but yes I do agree with the old boys club mentality of the GM's. I didn't mean to imply that teams were now going to bend Guerin over backwards as a result. More so that, in a vacuum, a player like Rossi after the season he had would reach a level of perceived value that would force other teams to start a higher starting point for negotiations. Making him available (With realistic expectations and not just "listening"), automatically changes the dynamic of that negotiation.

Again I didn't mean that now Minny would need to accept the first crap offer thrown at them and I agree 100% with the Team A gets Player X and Team B gets Player Y + Draft Pick Z assertion. The real question I was hinting to is what would be the difference between the hypothetical scenario mentioned above vs if Rossi was not being actively shopped. IMHO I think there would be a decent amount of value lost as a result.

A similar but not exact example of this was Philly with Gauthier. What would Philly have got in return if Gauthier never wanted out and they were just listening to teams offers? Different circumstance than with Rossi obviously but a parallel can be made.</div></div>

Gauthier is not a good parallel at all. He was not under contract with PHI and outright said he would not sign. Rossi, however, has a contractual obligation with the Minnesota Wild and does not have an ounce of say in the matter. There is an iron clad legal difference between the two situations. That has exponentially more to do with trade price than whether or not a GM "made the player available."

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree here, and we can revisit the value if he does get dealt this summer.
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 13 h 53
Sujet: Rossi Traded
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>That's what I assumed was the core reason for it but figured any GM making that somewhat known to other Gm's would be an absolute moron for doing so. In the game of business and negotiations, that is devaluing your own asset. No team would give you remotely what Guerin thinks he's worth then. Why would they? Whats the worst that will happen? Guerin will keep the asset that doesn't fit his team identity indefinitely? Risking devaluing him in the process? Hence why trying to sell him while his stock is at its highest.

This is just a theory based on the idea that he's actively being shopped of course. If Guerin is fine just keeping him until someone pays up, then there really isn't any smoke to this. Just a random rumor based on a team willing to listen and not reject instantaneously like others would normally do.</div></div>

Your theory about that tanking his value is incorrect, as has been observed extensively in any equity market such as stocks or housing. That would be true if all GMs were in cooperation against Guerin, but they're not. They're in competition with each other, as well. The price only needs to reach the point where the highest bidder feels like they're getting good value.

But you are correct in that Guerin is essentially telling the market what he does/doesn't value. Not a great strategy by textbook standards, but honestly, in today's NHL these GMs are all pals and really don't gouge each other the way you'd think. For the most part, they try and make fair deals. There's enough precedent around young players getting traded, that it's gonna be pretty formulaic. Team A gets Player X and Team B gets Player Y + Draft Pick Z.
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 12 h 23
Forum: Armchair-GM11 avr. à 10 h 31
Sujet: new ideas for MN
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EccE</b></div><div>Don't know about that Roy trade... If Minnesota wants to break out of the eternal curse of the mid, it doesn't make sense. It just makes the Wild even more mid. What we have here is the Wild trading their already mid pick for a even more mid pick. In return, they get a mid player on a mid contract that fills out a role in the middle of their lineup. A role that Khusnutdinov or some other promising young talent could pursue.</div></div>

Lol yes the entire fate of the franchise hangs in the balance of a 7 spot swing in the middle of the draft....picking 13 and overpromoting a prospect is surely gonna turn it all around!

Roy is a pretty solid player - he's big, difficult to play against, has term at a fair number and shows up playoffs. Khusnutdinov clearly isn't NHL ready and could probably do with close to a full year in Iowa. Gaudreau is awful, so I don't need to see him as a 3C anymore. No other prospects are really ready for 3C duties.

Look how effective Paul has been for Tampa for an idea on what the upside here is.

At the end of the day, I'd probably prefer to keep the pick. But I don't think something like this automatically perpetuates mediocrity anymore than the alternative does.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 avr. à 15 h 40
Sujet: new ideas for MN
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SpiderSpiderSpider28</b></div><div>Philly wouldn't do that, Lambos hasn't progressed great, I can't imagine anyone in Philly's FO could be high on Khusnutdinov after watching him religously all year, and 20th OA just doesn't make the trade worth it for a guy who has been extremely promising this season.

Funny enough: I could see Philly be willing to make a similar swap with Laughton and the Florida pick with Minnesota, but they'd almost certainly have to add another piece into the mix</div></div>

Ya I wouldn't do it as Philly and didn't really expect a positive reception to that one, but wanted to see if from MNs side.

Lambos and Khus could be re-worked, but if Forester is basically off the table, then there's probably not an overlap to be found.